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NickName Jun 20, 2001, 12:58am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have OEM memory in one of my computers along with Dual 1.4 GHZ AMD Thunderbird processors. I have discovered a nasty side affect to having OEM memory with any AMD processor. It all started one day when I was playing a little harnless Unreal Tournament, my favorite game. LOL...

It started to freeze on me repeadatly and most of the time without warning. It would sometimes freeze completely(Total Lockup), and sometimes it would shut down the game and give me the (Blue Screen of DEATH)... A VXD error here and there.

It started to p**s me off so much that I ran some tests. I ran a bunch of 3D Benchmarks and several other Benchmarking tests for the Processors and the Sound Card too. It was neither of those. Then I started to think that maybe there was an error during the install of the game, so I re-installed it. The same stuff over and over...

I went into a hardware store and had my motherboard tested for all sorts of crap. Nothing was wrong. Then the question came up... "What type of RAM are you using?" I answered "PC133 OEM."

The guy told me that OEM memory does not work well with any AMD processor make or model. I was very surprised to hear this because I had read the cautions and all of the reviews on this memory and it said nothing about this so called Incompatibility with AMD...

So I bought some memory that is built especially for AMD's and replaced the OEM memory with the new stuff. I fired up Unreal Tournament and several other games I had experienced similar problems with, and I never saw the problem again. Until I put the OEM back in to double check.

Has anyone else had this problem????? Or is this one of those things that only happens to people like me, LOL... I would love to hear your bad story with the Thunderbird, If there is any...


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NickName Jun 20, 2001, 01:00am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> A Little More.
I even tried the same things with the exact same setup except the processor was a Slot A AMD Athlon.

I had the exact same problems as I had witht the Thunderbird. I think that is really weird.

Does anyone else find that weird?

Robert Kropiewnicki Jun 20, 2001, 01:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Ummmm
Define OEM memory.......what kind of chips were on the memory sticks? Is it possible that they were PC100 chips trying to run at PC133 (effectively overclocking them)?

DaveO Jun 20, 2001, 04:33am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> [No Subject]
That's the standard advice from our distrinutors, "don't run generic PC133 with TBirds". You can usually run it at 100 without any of the funny side effects if that's your only option, but despite generic PC133 usually running fine in any other setup, it's not good with TBirds and makes for some pretty unstable machines.

The specifics of why this is are unfortunately not something I know about, but it's a pretty commonly held belief now and with the price of good RAM these days there's no reason to buy cheap anymore.


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keboman Jun 20, 2001, 02:42pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> [No Subject]
I don't think Generic memory is a good idea, even if it is quite a bit cheaper than Name brand stuff. I usually recommend Crucial memory to all my clients, and have had no problems with it.

Kebo

NickName Jun 20, 2001, 09:01pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Reply.
I am not using cheap memory.

Robert Kropiewnicki Jun 21, 2001, 09:19am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Well then....
Please define as best you can OEM memory. Taken completely out of context, this would be the memory installed by the place that built your system. Depending on who that was, it may be good name brand memory or generic memory.

Athlon systems have been known to be very finicky about using no-name parts (can't speak for the Intel side of the equation). All else being equal, using top shelf components tends to significantly raise the chance of a truly stable system.

It wasn't until I started checking out specs for a new PC that I realized how much I had taken for granted the components that went inside the PC other than the processor, sound card and video card. As high end as today's systems are, and as cheap as high end components are, why settle for generic when you can go with quality name brand?

Sander Sassen Jun 21, 2001, 11:47am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> [No Subject]
Hmm,

OEM memory as in branded chips on non-branded PCBs is a gamble to say the least. I for one would always pick branded chips (Micron, Samsung, Siemens/Infineon, etc) on branded PCBs, also known as brand-on-brand, just tell your mon and pop computershop you want brand-on-brand and he'll throw a fit.

But to be honest I don't see why people buy OEM when Crucial has memory up at the same or lower price and deliver to just about every doorstep around the world. Sure, you can't jump in the car and go out and buy some now, but it is a lot better than all the M-tech and Nanya stuff most retailers are selling. And even if it is a few $$$ extra, I'd gladly pay extra for the stability and performance, actually I'd pay it smiling, knowing that I'll get a GREAT return on my investment.

That's my POV on the whole OEM memory issue,

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Robert Kropiewnicki Jun 21, 2001, 11:54am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Actually.....
If you bought your PC from a major OEM (Dell, Compaq, etc...), Crucial's prices may even be cheaper than what you'd pay to buy memory from your OEM.

It was much cheaper for the Dell systems here at work. And Crucial is currently offering FREE 2nd day shipping.

Sander Sassen Jun 21, 2001, 01:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> [No Subject]
But Ryan, dual 1.4GHz Tbirds? PC133? There's no platform out there that'll run dual CPU AMD with PC133, 760MP uses DDR. Please explain!

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Robert Kropiewnicki Jun 21, 2001, 02:20pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Geez
How did I miss that little tidbit of information?????


NickName Jun 22, 2001, 10:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> There is...
There is a motherboard that runs dual T-Birds or I would not have them... I will look for website and post it.

Robert Kropiewnicki Jun 23, 2001, 02:53am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Yeah but that's not the problem
The problem is with Dual T-Birds and SDR memory......last I checked, none of the dual boards are using SDR.

DaveO Jun 25, 2001, 01:54pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> ^Bump^
Just thought I'd give this thread a bump, I want to know what this dual TBird + PC133 statement is all about ;)


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NickName Jun 25, 2001, 03:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Reply: ^BUMP^
This topic is about how I was having trouble with excessive crashing on my Dual T-Bird System.

DaveO Jun 25, 2001, 04:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> [No Subject]
I'm aware of that already Ryan, I meant more specifically this issue with running dual TBirds *AND* PC133.


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Robert Kropiewnicki Jun 25, 2001, 11:03pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Right.....
Excessive crashing on a Dual T-Bird system using PC133 memory......with one slight problem......Dual T-Bird motherboards using SDR don't exist!!!!

NickName Jul 07, 2001, 01:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Reply
I am running Dual T-Birds with Toshiba PC133 Memory. I have two 512 MB chips in there. I think the access rate is 7 Mili seconds.

Sander Sassen Jul 07, 2001, 01:54pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ryan,

First off, there is no dual AMD motherboard available other than the Tyan Thunder K7, which uses DDR SDRAM. Also this motherboard is intended to be used with the Athlon MP, not the Athlon Thunderbird. So you CANNOT be using PC133 on any dual AMD platform.

Furthermore, Toshiba does not manufacture PC133 modules of 512MB capacity, either with or without ECC. And quite frankly, 7-milliseconds? Thats a few maginitudes greater than what is normal for PC133, they're usually around 6...7-nanoseconds, thats 10^-9, not 10^-3.

I'm sure you're just trying to impress the other people in this thread, but I'd frankly be a honest and tell it like it is. People will respect you for what you post and/or the trouble you go through to help someone else out, not for boasting system specs that are non-existent. Please keep that in mind when posting, for now, we'd love to hear what your system REALLY looks like.

Have a good weekend,

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mx-6* Jul 11, 2001, 02:11am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> [No Subject]
I guess he's still looking for that website. LOL

As if his mobo manufacturers website wouldn't be enough if he actually had such an alien piece of gear! :)

chilled Jul 11, 2001, 10:46am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Reading through the whole topic for the 1st time I would just have to say I find that hailarious. Ryan, either your imagining your computer system (and its problems...LMAO) or your lying!!! Okay, I know there is a minute chance u really do have such a mobo, (in which case I totallly take back everything I've said to you) so PLEASE tell us where u got the mobo (& RAM) from!!!!


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