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emmanuel tetteh - lartey Jan 15, 2004, 08:22am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I successfully backdup my IDE (40gb) XP c: & restored to a new SATA (35gb) drive. After removing the IDE Drive (with SATA converter) port 1 & switching the SATA Drive onto port 1 i restart the SATA boot's past the black XP loading screen & starts the pale blue XP logon screen, then hangs, although i do have mouse control.
Norton do mention on there website problems with IDE to SISI drive issues, but not SATA in cloning.
You would think some cloning manu's would have this susted given the comparable price & advantages for SATA HDD now.
HELP!!!!!!!!. Is it possible with GHOST or is there any other software that can cope the IDE to SATA cloning?

Cheers


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S B Jan 15, 2004, 07:24pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
I think the main problem is with the fact that you have cloned XP from one IDE hard drive, to a different SATA drive. The fact that these 2 drives are operated by different controllers (1 IDE controller, 1 SATA controller), and how each controller receives its addressing and BUS Mastering from the motherboard, combined with XP that uses the windows HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is causing your problems.

Basically what this means is the you installed XP on an IDE drive. The HAL is kernel based, and windows basically compiles all hardware information in its kernel each time it is installed. So now XP has told itself it is installed on an IDE drive on controller 1 (or whatever) with an address of 32ABFFF (or whatever), and takes this information and compiles it in its kernel.

Then, you clone the OS to a different SATA drive, which uses a different controller, and has different addressing, and you try to boot. Windows looks at the controller and address information it has compiled in its kernel when it installed, and compares it to the new controller and address information that the SATA drive has. When it sees it is not the same, then you get the problem.

Basically, if you ever want to clone/mirror an NT based operating system from one drive to another, the new drive has to be the same type (IDE), and on the same BUS, or it will not boot.

If you want to move your OS to your SATA drive, I suggest backing up your important files, and just do a new install of XP on your SATA drive, then dump back your saved files.

emmanuel tetteh - lartey Jan 16, 2004, 06:25pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
Thanks for your reply. I had i reply from symanec to say it can be done with a microsoft program called Sysprep which put the XP install back tto factory settings & rebuilds the drivers after the first reboot on the new drive.This program seems to be for multi roll outs of windows install with similer hardware or quick restores. Anyway here goes, its worth i try even with the issues of IDE to SCSi etc cloning. Seems more tech's will be upgrading to SATA & not want to do fresh xp installs ever time, hope it works, i'll let you know & thanks again.

Manny

emmanuel tetteh - lartey Jan 19, 2004, 03:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
Well it worked using Sysprep & Ghost !!!!! Great tools, 9mins image & 9mins restore saved me a days reinstallations of XP & other programs.


HAPPINESS !!!!!

Richard H Jan 27, 2004, 03:48am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
Well to confuse u guys even more!! I made a perfect image of my winxppro off of my IDE hard drive flawlessly with no problems. I went to image it on my SATA WD Raptor drive and everything went good. When I boot my computer with the SATA i get a blue screen of death. So i went into the Recovery console. it asked me to hit F6 to install 3rd party drivers...so I did, i installed my via sata raid driver. i was able to boot up to the recovery console windows and was able to view the contents on my c: on my sata with no problems whatsoever. Now what Im trying to figure out is.. how to install this driver so my computer can boot with the image on the SATA hardrive it just seems to be a driver problem?? I cant boot into safe mode either. only recovery console seems to be working...

-baker- -baker- Feb 09, 2004, 05:33am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
think about like this.....how do you clone an IDE to a SATA drive of XP Pro?

Problems:
1.XP won't see the SATA
2.Ghost won't see the SATA

Whats the fix?

Hint:
Windows 98
Virtual CD rom
Ghost 2003

Lets see who might guess what this all means....Someone has shown me a fix for this and lets see who can guess the structure of the fix.

-baker- -baker- Feb 09, 2004, 05:33am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
think about like this.....how do you clone an IDE to a SATA drive of XP Pro?

Problems:
1.XP won't see the SATA
2.Ghost won't see the SATA

Whats the fix?

Hint:
Windows 98
Virtual CD rom
Ghost 2003

Lets see who might guess what this all means....Someone has shown me a fix for this and lets see who can guess the structure of the fix.

Bigted Bigted Feb 22, 2004, 06:19pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
I have just completed a transfer of XP Pro from a Seagate IDE 80 Gig Barracuda to a SATA 160 Gig Maxtor.

I had the same probem with bluescreening after cloning as others here.

Sysprep is one answer, the other is to do a reinstall of XP over the top of the existing install.
Just boot off the XP Pro CD, do not choose the first repair option but choose install.
It will tell you that you have an existing install and do you want to repair it. Choose yes.

You have to go through the whole setup process, but this does not affect any settings or
installed programs. You will have your XP Pro install back up and running in half an hour.

This process is also useful if you are moving a harddrive from one machine to another machine
that has different (motherboard) hardware.

Steve

Buzurg in Jeanz Jan 31, 2008, 08:08am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
emmanuel, i'm having the exact problem. i've downloaded the Sysrep from microsoft site. but really have no idea how to use it. can u list down the steps briefly or please tell me that where i can get some help.

emmanuel tetteh - lartey Jan 31, 2008, 05:57pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
to : Buzurg in Jeanz
Wow, this is a blast from the past, four years exactly when I posted this problem! Anyway as I remember I had to go to Microsoft's help and support page which showed you step-by-step how to deploy Sysprep. Here is the link: - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302577
if I can remember that far back I'm sure I can recollect having to Google a few other tips and tricks suggestions which seemed to simplify the Microsoft long-winded explanation and it definitely worked.

However I find myself now using Acronis True Image Workstation 9.1 rather then Norton Ghost which, other than occasional legacy USB devices issues in its DOS reboot stage for restoring works pretty well.


Hope this helps and good luck. Optical10

oguz yayla Dec 23, 2009, 05:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
i ghosted an ide xp image to a sata HD.
I am looking for a solution of making this sata HD boot the copied xp.
Symantec says: this is not possible.
"Do not clone a computer that uses an IDE hard disk to a computer that uses a SCSI hard disk."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPO [...] 0716282425

best wishes

Joshua Marius, LeThe Dec 23, 2009, 10:16am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 23, 2009, 10:17am EST

 
>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
I have been able to do this before but I did not use Norton Ghost, instead I used TrueImage or the cloning utilities available in the free Seagate or Western Digital hard drive utilities.

I experienced similar problems, so what I did was load MS-DOS and type in:

fdisk /mbr

Restarted...

That did it for me :)

Joshua Marius
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john albrich Dec 23, 2009, 10:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 23, 2009, 10:46pm EST

 
>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
oguz yayla said:
i ghosted an ide xp image to a sata HD.
I am looking for a solution of making this sata HD boot the copied xp.


You might also try freeware version XXclone. It also includes tools to "repair" a drive that is unable to boot.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/XXCLONE_d5534.html
http://www.pixelab.com/

What is XXclone? (basic features/limitations)
http://www.xxclone.com/iwhatis.htm

oguz yayla Dec 24, 2009, 02:27am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
tahnks for your replys

i tried to fixmbr by using repair mode of xp, but it did not work :((

also thanks for suggesting free disc progs expecially WD utility tools

john guardian Feb 24, 2011, 11:18am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
Guys,

I have a similar, though even MORE perplexing issue. I have a 250MB WD drive that was starting to generate cyclic redundancy errors, so I decided to replace it. The OS on this drive is WinXP Pro. I have Ghost 10 (or 12... can't remember) on the Pro machine. It would not clone the active 250MB to a new 1TB WD drive I purchased and installed in this machine.

I then used Ghost 15 on my Win7 Home Premium PC to clone the 250MB to 1TB (both were inserted into a USB drive toaster w/2 SATA slots.It took several hours. Completed w/o errors.

This is when the problem starts: The "NEW" drive boots, you see the WinXP image on a blue background, but the system NEVER gets to the part where you have to log in?

What's worse... I re-installed the old drive... and IT DOES THE SAME THING!!!

Any insight/help would be appreciated. Bear in mind that I am not a Windows person... My background (last 25 years) is all UNIX (HP/Linux/SunOS/Solaris etc). For me, Windows is just something I need to have in order for my wife/kids to use for email/music/etc.

Thx in advance for any help/advice you can provide.


john albrich Feb 24, 2011, 01:02pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!

If you get to the point where your old drive boots, but your new drive doesn't, I would not again try to clone the old drive to the new.

I'd back the old drive up using Macrium Reflect Free Edition (MRFE) or also freeware DriveImageXML, and then restore the image to the new drive. Worked fine for me in moving from an 80GB PATA to 1TB SATA.

If your old system partition isn't big enough for you for some reason, you then use freeware PartitionLogic, freeware PartedMagic or similar to enlarge the partition without losing any data.


As for your original drive not booting...

I assume this is a case of not having a current backup of the original drive?

I'd find a working machine and use MRFE to back it up anyway before you start experimenting with any changes to "repair" the OS, etc. If something goes wrong you can at least then get back to your drive's current state to allow you to try something different to fix the problem.

john guardian Feb 25, 2011, 02:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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john albrich Feb 25, 2011, 03:44pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!

That doesn't make sense from what you described.

You said your ORIGINAL disk would no longer boot...which would still have had it's original registry intact...and thus would not have the problem described in your referenced fix.

It sounds like there's something you didn't tell us.

john guardian Feb 26, 2011, 07:34am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
Nope. It's EXACTLY as I said. GHOST fubars BOTH drives.

It's more like you didn't read and understand what I wrote.

Bottom line: If I had cloned an ACTIVE drive, the drive MBR info would have remained and the original drive would still boot. Ghost wouldn't work since the active drive was having issues. I moved the active drive OUTSIDE of the computer to a DIFFERENT computer and placed the original (and now inactive) drive in a toaster. Apparently (and this is as described to me by a NORTON TECH ENGINEER) Ghost is known to do this. In fact, this very issue is plastered all over their website. Being a long time UNIX Systems Architect, this doesn't make sense to me either since using dd or cpio would never mod the image, just bit copy it. Not so w/Windows. I really hate MicroSoft..


heintz hwang Jul 23, 2011, 03:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!

I had once read somethings regarding the hard drive Clone issue in a Ghost forum long long time ago. It seemed like a very common problem that a nothing-goes-wrong Cloned hard drive could not boot up the machine.

And I barely recall that someone in that forum pointed out the very critical step to avoid the "won't boot-up Cloned hard disk" problem is to Shut Down the system immediately after the Clone Job has been done by the Ghost tool, and detach the Cloned hard disk from the computer before you Powner On the system again. Never ever let the Windows has chance to take control of the computer when both the original booting Hard Drive and the Cloned one are co-existing in the same machine.

That person explained why doing that with whole bunch of technical jargons that were beyond my knowledge. Since the big picture of his theory by itself did make senses to me, so I tried to rationalize his idea with my own John-n-Mary language in this way:

Computer is like a kingdom, the Operating System is like the king who is in charge of that kingdom. Within one kingdom, there is one and only one king is working.

After the Clone task is done, another kind is created --- one king too many.

If you let the Windows takes over (Finish, go back to Windows? OK? ....) the system again, the currently working Windows will immediately and implicitly "de-activate" the newly Cloned hard disk by configuring some flags, files or what-so-ever. And that's why when you later putting that cloned one in the Master Driver Seat, it won't be able to boot.

So, shut it down at any cost right after Clone job is done --- by disconnecting the power cable if you have to.


john albrich Jul 23, 2011, 11:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Norton Ghost IDE to SATA drive clone XP reboot issue !!!!!!!
heintz hwang said:
...So, shut it down at any cost right after Clone job is done --- by disconnecting the power cable if you have to.


That is TERRIBLE advice.

There is a non-trivial risk of corrupting data, files, and/or the OS by doing so.

Powering-down without going through a proper software shutdown should be avoided whenever possible.

While the risk is reduced in journaled filesystems such as NTFS, it never goes away.

And, if you are using a non-NTFS filesystem (e.g. FAT32) on any of your partitions, the risk to data increases substantially for that partition.


If you plan to follow heintz hwang's advice you'd be wise to have backups of ALL your disks/vital data before doing so.


edit to add:
Actually, if you are running into that kind of problem where you even begin to consider using such an extreme procedure, you should instead use a cloning method that won't have the "Ghost" problem in the first place. Some alternates have been discussed above but there are several freeware cloning and backup utilities out there that do not have that problem.


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