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Matt L Jan 29, 2004, 01:03am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I acquired a PNY 128mb AGP GeForceFX 5200 to replace my 64mb GeForce 4 MX440. It, however, runs slower on certain games. I've noticed this so far on Dark Age of Camelot and Halo.

In DAoC, I would say I get a constant 25fps until large battles erupt, then it goes down to maybe 20fps. In Halo I would say I get 30fps in closed areas and in open areas and/or large combat scenes I would get 15-25fps. Now, when I had my MX440 in, DAoC played flawlessly and Halo was a lot better but still kinda dropped in large areas. I tried DeusEX 2 for a short instant and it just plays utter crap. Maybe 12-15 fps at the very beginning of the 1st level. Game wont work with my MX440 (pixel-shading not supported) so cant compare with it.

Anyways, I just dont know why these games (and possibly others haven't really played much besides these two) do so crappy with the 5200. I've tried:

- Reformatting/Reinstalling WindowsXP
- Updating Drivers
- Updating Chipset
- Rolling back drivers a few times
- Reinstalling DirectX 9
- Disabling many XP features in Admin Tools
- Decreasing resolution/texture quality

After benchmarking with 3DMark2001SE, the 5200 out performed the 440 like it should have. I thought it might have been a faulty card, but I went out to get another FX5200 to make sure. Same results. I've also tried the 5200 on a Soyo Dragon Platinum motherboard with similiar config and a Gigabyte MoBo 1.2gig system. Same results there too. 440 out performing the 5200 in-game, but not benchmarks.

Now I know the 5200 isn't the greatest card, but it SHOULD be better than the MX440 in performance and compatability. I really dont know what's going on. I searched a bit and haven't seen anyone else with this problem so far. Did I just coincidently buy two faulty 5200s in a row? Argh... If anyone has any ideas of what to try let me know.

*System Config*
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe MoBo
AMD 2500+ Barton
1gig 3200 RAM in Dual Channel mode
Windows XP


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1 Jan 29, 2004, 01:22am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
no, they really do perform horribly. I bought one for my son and he wont leave me alone about it. You might try previous driver versions to optimize its performance though I really dont think that you will be happy for the price. I would reccomend eBay for an old 8500 or ti series card.
I love troubleshooting and finding answers but I have seriously tried so much with his card that we came to the conclusion that this card cannot perform. We pulled the heat sink and cleaned off the goop then added arctic silver5, a thermaltake crystal orb, ocz copper bga sinks (too smal i know), then put a 120mm fan in the window. While overclocking I noticed that the increase in performance was inadiquate considering the clocks achieved. Then when we found the limits to the overclock it was like a brick wall. No fragmentation or artifacts whatsoever, yet it wouldnt allow for further overclocking which made me think that something in the vga bios is limiting this card. The kid hates me for it but I keep reminding him that hes the one that fried the 9700pro that I kicked down previously:-)

Matt L Jan 29, 2004, 01:37am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 29, 2004, 01:38am EST

 
>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
But to perform *below* a MX440? I'd expect a card with double the memory and nearly double the price to perform better, even if not by much. Geez, what happened nVidia?

1 Jan 29, 2004, 02:29am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
marketing, the mx onboard my 8rga outperforms it simply due to the use of system memory which kills the fake ddr on the 5200. Its similar to comparing a 9000pro to an 8500le. The 8500 will chew it up:-(

Andres Jan 30, 2004, 05:30am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Yup. That 5200 is really big crap with fake directX 9 support, which gives it the rest. The amount of ram won't change anything, but you can play with the clock rates to get some 10% increase in performance. I removed the passive heatsink and put in a chipset ventilator wich allowed me to gain 20%. Yet it's still very weak for gaming. Getting a 8500 looks really nice, as i had one before this crap.

(Config in my Bio)
Supreet Virdi Jan 30, 2004, 06:01am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
You checked bios.....is it set on 8x or still using 4x...........also check nvidia tweak utility to verify each and everything is perfect...also increase the Agp aperture size to 128... use only the directx version which comes along with FX5200......letme tell ya it should perform better than 440....

Also to tell ya i read somewhere in tomshardware....there isn't a much difference in 440 and 5200..

i probably dont think ati radeon 8500 is really a good choice over 5200 since 8500 isnt a directx 9 card...and also ati cards prone to restarts, hangs and lockups....due to bad drivers

5600ultra is much much faster !

James Bradbury Jan 30, 2004, 07:29am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Similar thing with GeForce 5600...
I'm having some trouble with the 5600 128Mb I just got.

At first UT would be jerky then crash after about 1 minute. That was with DX9.0b and all the latest drivers on everything. Then I read you have to install the mobo AGP driver BEFORE installing the card... nothing I tried would improve it, so I reinstalled windows 98SE. And now....

Warcraft 3 looks much the same as before (on a MX440).
Virtual Skipper 3 looks great but has some small graphical glitches.
Unreal Tournament (original) is jerky and I can only get 60fps - SLIGHTLY better than what I was getting on the 440. When I say jerky, I mean it runs ok for about 10-20 seconds then I get a tiny jerk, a bit like lag, but this is playing offline. It's enough to make you miss a few shots anyway. It also takes AGES (30 to 80 seconds) to switch videos modes if I minimize UT to go back to windows. Surely that's not right.

I tried it with dx7 and 8.1 - I'm wary of trying 9.0b as I can't go back without reinstalling and UT was crashing with that before.

Things I suspect:

1. Asus A7A266-E mobo will only do 4X AGP, wheras the card is 8X - but surely it could go at 4X and be patient with the mobo.

2. <300W PSU - I did plug it in as directed, but I'm running 2 CD drives and an HD (of course) and I think it's like 240W or something. Is that bad? When I get back tonight I'll try unplugging both CD drives just to test if it is lack of power. But do they still eat power when they're not spinning up, tho?

3. I didn't update the bios flash. The asus website just said it added compatibility for some CPU chip I don't have.

Do I get a new 360W PSU or send the card back and go for an ATI? Do all PSUs fit the same kind of cases - I think mine is a pretty standard ATX? For now I'll be going back to my MX440 - at least it runs smoothly, if rather slowly.

Any suggestions appreciated. Ta,

James


Swarm 001 Jan 30, 2004, 07:34am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Ok mr last bloke...i'll be ignoring anything u say from now on....

5200=bit smellys**t with DX9.0 marketing label...My old MX460 oc'ed great and belts those POS's
8500=pretty f**king good card(in comparison to the piece ofs**t fx5200)
fx5600=a slightly biggers**t but still a stinky one, suggest fx5900xt or ati9600xt.

Think i summed it up...

James Bradbury Jan 30, 2004, 08:30am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Yeah that was pretty helpful. I can almost smell them all now... :P

Harris Walktin Jan 30, 2004, 08:56am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Prior to your post, Im quite discouraged by the remarks to the 5200 for example. Do any of you have actual experience with this card? Did you ever think that it might be the fact that your system alone is not compatible with the card? Did you check the agp apareture in BIOS? Did you disable bios cachable? Video Cachable? All in bios? Did you listen to the strict instructions of disabling Virus scans before installing drivers? Did you check the display properties? Are you sure that your refresh rates are maxed, performance is set to high or best? Did you make sure that the allocated system ram is set to only 5-15% of total system ram? How much memory do you have? What is your processor speed? Have you enabled 8x agp speed? Try to instal DirectX 9.1? AntiAlising should be off, actually set it to always off. Same with any other image quality increasing. Try disabling your virus scan during game play, even your Firewalll. Update everything, maybe even your bios. Whats your hard drive rpm? Space Allocated? Space Free?
I could go on and on on things you should check, but thing is, the 5200 is an amazing card, i use it for counter-strike, simcity 4,sims:UNL, ron, aoe2, EE, halo and all perform max fps, no lag once so ever. Next time you judge a card by its first and second performance, try and see why a 128MB DDR 350MHZ clock speed(i think its that) from the gfx series is doing so bad. Remember, heat is always an isue when it comes to performance. And fps on my pc can go from 120 to 30 im my card is over heating.
Come on guys, we are trying to help the person out with tips, not recommending another card, No offense to anyone, but in my view, the gfx 5200 is more than reliable card for medium-hardcore gaming. You just need the right tools, knowledge, and some paitence.

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.
1 Jan 30, 2004, 10:06am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
thats odd, I trust your opinion, however my sons wont do halo with much detail at all and even then its a little choppy. We are awaiting a bios chip for a board he just aquired without one so when it arrives well retest it. As for the bios on his current board...yeah Im very familiar with it and all settings are great. The same system pushed 14k in 01se with a 9700pro at stock settings but with modded cooling and so forth.
Are you maybe refering to the performance of the ultra? Or am I correct in assuming that we are discussing the non ultra?

Harris Walktin Jan 30, 2004, 10:12am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
non ultra asus magic or somthing, not sure, but all non ultra is the same in the end. Then again i might be wrong, but i dont think i am, the 5200 shouldnt be performing this bad on new systems, its the ideal card for me, ofcoarse im limited to the graphical editing, but then again, i have a gaming proc ;)

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
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grant fanning Jan 30, 2004, 11:48am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
you wont get any better performance with that card. especially in Halo.

Harris Walktin Jan 30, 2004, 11:51am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Though grannt points out the obviouse, the gfx5200 will always be the ideal vidcard for me for now, untill another one comes along, but for mild and pro gamers(not extreme) spend money on memory and proc power, and 10 bucks for a gfx5200 or 5200 ultra.

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.
Phil wyatt Mar 07, 2004, 06:53am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Ok heres the problem.
I've read through all of your stuff about how bad fx 5200 is at playing games but i would rather some positive comments on my question.

I have halo two and i was wondering how i was to fix this somone was saying heaps of things about it and i understood hardly any being only 14. I just got dad to fork out 1700dollars for me new cpu and i thought this graphics card would kick ass but i have been let down now im gonna have to pay 400dollars(aussie) for a radeon 9600? unless somone can help me. I need to knwo soon as possible plz help. By the way my cpu is p4 3,2ghz and hgood greaphicss**t but i ned to configure it so halo and got such a blurry zoom to i am about to through my computer especially while im in halo and running and it starts to pause........ it f**kign p**ses me off by the way my cpu overheats lotsa so could thisa be a problem anyway Plz any help
thnx!

Phil wyatt Mar 07, 2004, 06:54am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
Above i mean halo too not halo2

ian elliott Mar 22, 2004, 05:26pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Abnormal slowness with GeForce FX5200
First of all . 60fps is not slow. if you get 60fps in games you should be thankful thats a good frame rate. if you want really fast frame rates get a radeon 9700 or above.

second these cards are directx 9 card so while running direct x 8.1 like warcraft 3 you will not see no difference in graphics as warcraft 3 dont use direct x 9 graphics.

get a game like max payne 2 and you can see the direct x 9 graphics

3rd if you still not happy with your card speed you can use a utility like POWERSTRIP :- get from here
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm





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