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andrew kairis Feb 12, 2004, 05:53pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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doesn't even keep up with northwood, tomshardware.com has a northie doing 4.3ghz

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Bill Farley Feb 12, 2004, 06:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Are you on crack?

Northwood's can't do 4.3GHz on air cooling, dumbass.

The Prescott is still a junk CPU, but I am sure it would overlock fine.....with phase-change or friggin' liquid nitrogen cooling!

I still think the Athlons are a better dollar value for 99% of the computing world.

Patrick Eberhart Feb 12, 2004, 06:52pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Don't you hate it when a web site ERASES the whole body of your comment when you hit the back button? To me its stuff like that which is far more bothersome than high temperature from an overclocked CPU. Besides we all know the solution for high temperatures. Its air conditioning or refrigeration or running overclocked computers only on planet Pluto. High temperatures a problem? Send me an email.

Sander Sassen Feb 12, 2004, 07:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Patrick, you got mail! And the back button issue, that's on the todo list as of now, thanks for the heads up!

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Evan B Feb 13, 2004, 01:00am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Correction, Tomshardware has a northwood pulling 5 Ghz with liquid nitrogen. :)

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Sean B Feb 13, 2004, 04:46am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Instead of pumping toward 4(and possibly 5)ghz Intel should be looking to lessen the bottlenecks in the software and on the chipsets.


When I can spend $400 and get a Vapochill cooler, buy a 2.4ghz Northwood with HT for $189, match it with some properly cooled 533mhz DCDDR, and overclock it to close to 4ghz (if not higher) and bump the ram to around 750... 90nm doesn't sound too snazzy.

I currently have a 2.4 hitting 3.6 with air. For the price they're going to want for a Prescott, I could have at least another full system up and running.

With clock speeds increasing rapidly, the market is becoming extremely tight. RISC processors have just recently hit close to the 2ghz bar, and with the right operating system they can pummel a 3ghz CISC.
Intel should get the hint and move away from CISC, if they do, AMD will follow.
A reduced instruction set would allow for the processor to do more in half the time it would take a CISC, which would mean they wouldn't have to compensate for it with these monstrous clock speeds.



The reduction of the die size was meant to allow faster clock speeds with matched performance, not faster clock speeds with subpar performance.

What ever happened to Intels plan to get rid of the polymer all together?
I thought the first step they were taking was to move to a metal before trying 90nm.


Patrick Eberhart Feb 13, 2004, 10:01am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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What's important is the reason we are pressing the envelope for higher and higher CPU speeds. Especially since Pentium architecture the CPU speed has the greatest effect on system speed. However, the achievement of higher system speeds may now be achieved faster not by investing in a higher speed CPU but in multiple CPU's or in multiple systems. Many corporations are now taking advantage of peer to peer operating systems that taps into the unused capacity of terminals, laptops, and workstations alike. We all know about Napster and SETI. The same arrangement on a home system with only two to ten systems may not be that dramatic but hey, its better than not utilizing that capacity at all. (Hope the password I typed is right so I don't have to type this reply in again...)


Turd Furgeson Feb 13, 2004, 05:01pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Finally. Just what I allways wanted. A CPU that I can boil water too cook my eggs with.

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Sean B Feb 13, 2004, 07:41pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
You're going to sit here and tell me that your system is always at 100% cpu consumption?

Current consumers don't notice the difference between 2.5ghz and 3ghz, let alone future 3.5ghz and higher processors.

You only harness power in higher clock speeds when you know how to utilize it, and most gamers/consumers don't know how to do that.

IT professionals, graphic artists, video editors, and programmers are the only groups that notice a difference AND make use of it.

Pushing for faster clock speeds doesn't aid the limitations of current storage systems and the thin pipeline of the southbridge.

Storage systems need new innovations, such as installing the OS directly to the motherboard using flash memory.



Bungle Feb 14, 2004, 03:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ummm.... Actually most gamers would happily take to extra frames per second that an extra 500MHz would offer. They would probably know how to use it too by doing things like *gasp* turning up the resoloution of the game! One could argue that the driving force behind the race for the fastest components on the market is games.

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Patrick Eberhart Feb 14, 2004, 06:02am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Yeah... I agree. Its certainly not inventory or a hundred other business applications that require faster CPUs.

The battle between sequential and parallel processing is a game who's score is measured in terms of greater speed.

There are limits to how many transistors can be crammed on a chip so there is a limit to how many parallel processes can be performed. However, sequential processing can simulate parallel processing if it occurs within the time constraints of the parallel events. The speed of sequential processing is limited by transistor switching constraints such as electrical resistance.

While smaller transistors means more parallel operations per chip faster switching means that more parallel operations can be simulated in a given time.

Transistors made from superconducting semiconductors would in theory have no intermediate electrical resistance (no momentary electrical resistance after the transistor was switched). With zero momentary electrical resistance there might be no limit on transistor switching speed.

Game over...

William DAntuono Feb 14, 2004, 08:05am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
There is a simple solution to the overheating problem with this new Pentium processor. It's called AMD!

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Feb 14, 2004, 07:17pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Heres the Deal, Buy Northwoods if ur an Intel buff (run much cooler and are faster), Prescott is still in development i think as the release model sux, thats how it is in this world, just wait until they have all the bugs out n such, but i think they should just make like 20 2 stage pipes instead of a single 40 stage pipe.

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Carter Sudeith Feb 14, 2004, 10:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
AMD - the stock cooler never goes above 60C on a 1.65 vcore
Intel - the stock cooler can't even handle a 1.4 vcore

Now tell me, which is the smarter company?

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Feb 15, 2004, 12:39am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
mine runs at 1.5 and i adjust it for overclocking.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Feb 15, 2004, 12:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
altho no use for overclocking with a Dragon Orb for P4.

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Sean B Feb 15, 2004, 04:24am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Carter and William... don't you guys realize AMD procs run at higher temps than Intel procs?


The stock heatsink is perfectly fine. I have a 2.4Cstep running at 3.5 with the stock sink, the temps don't go above 40C. That's with default voltage too.


The heat issue is the first Intel's ever known, besides RDRAM.


They should've switched over from a silicon like they said they were going to.

Patrick Eberhart Feb 15, 2004, 08:03am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Still I say that high temperature superconducting semiconductors are the way to go... even low temperature superconducting semiconductors could still be used by immersing the CPU (or for that matter the whole motherboard) in liquid nitrogen. Its not that expensive to run a cryogenics compressor in the back room. Its even possible that stack or stage thermocouples might handle CPU temperatures below ambient.

Then there is always the possibility that a light switch will be invented that will replace the electron switch (transistor) so there won't be any problem with heat.

All we need is a HTSS or an LS.

Carter Sudeith Feb 15, 2004, 10:59am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Sure they could switch to other conductors than silicon, but when the circuits get below about 60nm there'll be so much noise in the circuit they'll have to put in filters.
Intel's stock heatsinks work fine on lower-end CPUs, but they should have made differnt designs for the higher-end CPUs (2.8+). They did release those B and C steppings, which seem to have lower temperatures, but I couldn't find any at Microcenter or Fry's. Newegg tells you they have Bs and Cs but then again Newegg also sent my friend the wrong heatsink.

HauptmannPhobos Feb 16, 2004, 01:28am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
WWweird things happen?
AMD had problems of overheating in past, now its starting to turn on intel...
Nvidia was best now ATI is propably best?..
Rebels are winning...

I believe in firepower..
Carter Sudeith Feb 16, 2004, 01:42am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intelís Prescott, sizzling hot or supernova?
Yep, ATI used to be in XGI's position, and now they make GPUs equal to and soon to be better than nVidia. AMD struggled to keep up with Intel's 286, and won the 486 race. Now look! AMD is winning again. ATI is winning again. Intel is doomed.


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