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Vince Di Nenna Feb 17, 2004, 02:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Audio holds most of the emotion. Ever try to watch a horror flick without audio? I read about a study that should as long as you have good audio, you could enjoy the video of a 13" screen. It was in Audio Amatuer magazine.


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Troy Holley Feb 17, 2004, 03:17pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
That may be true...

But most people watch action movies, IMO, and they would rather see the pictures and here DECENT sound, then have REALLY GOOD SOUND and so-so picture quality.

And maybe people are just too lazy to buy a 5.1 surround sound system and set up all the speakers.

Wildwood Feb 17, 2004, 03:20pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hmmm...
Audio is important. But we're visual animals. 90% of our environmental intake is visual. Connect sound to it and the intake is definately enhanced. But the quality of most high end sound systems is beyond most peoples ability to discerne. So, the article is in my view correct. I will admit readily to being able to percieve the difference in picture quality versus sound quality at the high end.

As for the content of the article; I was recently subjected to a projector display for a DVD movie. And I was very impressed. I'm considering purchasing one myself. But only if it allows for 1020 resolution. One concern to me is the cost of the projectors bulb when it burns out. They seem to be limited on their life span. And can cost quite a bit.


Sander Sassen Feb 17, 2004, 03:40pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
You have to factor lamp life into how often you plan to use the projector. For example rear projection TVs also use a lamp, similar to those in a projector and I hear nobody complain about having to replace those. For example if you have a lamp with 2000 hrs lamp life, you'll have to watch two full length movies every day for two years for the lamp to burn out, that's close to watching 700 movies in two years time. Normal use is two till four movies a week. Then a lamp easily lasts 5 years. If you then factor in lamp cost, say $500, you'll spend $100 a year, or rather less than 75 cents per movie, not a bad price to pay for watching a movie in the comfort of your home, when and where you want right?

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DudsOne Feb 17, 2004, 05:30pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
High cost for so little air time. As far as DVDs, I believe the current format is only 480p, I could be wrong [to lazy to look it up right now] so you don't gain to much.

I have a very good sound system and a 36 inch tube tv and I try to stay in step with all the new gear.

The sound system is more important right now due to so little HDTV programming and there's the great sound of cd and audio dvd-sacd.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it

Wildwood Feb 17, 2004, 06:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 17, 2004, 08:36pm EST

 
>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
Thanks for crunching the numbers for me Sander. Maybe my concerns about the bulbs isn't such a big deal then. I have a 32" Sony TV for most viewing. So the projector wouldn't be used all that often. Any suggestions on a good brand/model? The Infocus X1 looks pretty good. I had been looking at the Epson Powerlite S1. Any reason I should pay $500 more for the Screenplay 4800?

480p is correct for projection.


Sander Sassen Feb 18, 2004, 01:25am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
We'll have a few new projector reviews coming up soon, covering the Epson S-1, Hitachi Home-1 and the Optoma H30, all projectors in the $1000...S1500 price range. As for the ScreenPlay 4800, I love it, but $500 over the X1 is indeed a little much as the X1 is an excellent entry level projector.

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Corvus Raven Feb 18, 2004, 02:17am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
I hale to kina agree with Ron Campbell. (have/half pun intended)

I might be kina biased.. I worked in production of audio AND video. Video needs (nearlly) an audio component to 'see' what is going on. WIth good sounds one can 'see' and 'feel' more. More that the imagination is showing you the perfect image as you hear the sounds. Video can make those images become fuzzy. (especially video with 2 heads.. uck!.. :)

I suppose being able to notice a flicker that last 2-3 frames is what would make be biaed toward the video. (Most people wont recignise a flicker uless it lasts longer then 5 frames @ 24/sec (and adding those 6 frames makes a difference ..I don't care if there are people that will tell you that they human I can't see it. It is like working in a darkroom (did that too..) you don't require as much light (If any) ater awhile.. (my eyes actually hurt if it is sunny out at all I suppose I could blame that on the years I spent developing negs.. Oh well)..

As to audio.. a fuzzy video image can almost be "cleared up" with crisp, clear sound. (not necessarly loud as it gets distorted, especially with cheap speakers). The buzz you can hear if you had papper or a peice of tape attached or seet ontop of the speaker, is close to the distortion that you would start to hear. A hole will cause it too.

I had recently picked up a 6 head HiFi with 5.1 suround. (For the price I paid it is excellent. (under 300$ CAN) There was one sound set I was at that had these 10K dollar speakers. They sounded really nice.
Untill I found out that they were 10 grand.. Atleast they came as a pair. (I forget thte name.. I thik it was Swan (like the feathered bird)) There was another set that I had been to a bit more (closer to home and I worked there) the speakers were.. 150-200$ each. the rest of the equipment was pretty much the same. Effects generators..etc..(except for the old board (mixer) whic had it's quirks.. ..but overall the sound from that was still clear and clean. There was a slight difference.. But I don't think I would have paid the 10 thouhsand for the speakers alone. For audio (and video) it is the some of all the parts.

I think overall the better way to go is What ever you can afford for the recording. And then the playback.
And the TV is part of the playback.

I must say the firt time I compared a dvd to the tapes.. I certainlly like the better theatre sound from the dvd player. 6heads are nice for the vtr but some times there are tracks missing.. blue space...especially with rental movies.

(it must be getting late.. I don't usually type that much :) )

I still prefer the analogue static to the digital glitch..
..and nothing beats the sound of real tubes.

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Jesse Campbell Feb 18, 2004, 04:59pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
I'm not sure who i agree with... maybe i just agree with me. I have a 20" tv, an old epson lcd projector, a pair of very good speakers hooked up to as**tty sharp sound "system" and a cambridge soundworks 5.1 digital system. I enjoy watching movies on the projector, and I can really notice the difference if I'm driving it with s-video, composite, or VGA from my computer. I can also notice the difference between using the regular tv speaker (generally not even hooked up) or the sharp stereo, but the 5.1? I hardly use it and don't feel like i'm missing anything terribly important. In fact I can get into a movie just as much if its on the 20" tv with the sharp system as with the projector and 5.1 speakers. Good speakers are a must, an absolute must. Great speaker systems with 5.1 or 7.1? I don't think i'd notice the difference in the long run. As for the 20" tv versus the 6' projected image? I enjoy the movie fine on the 20" tv, the projector's a nice plus but definately not required in my book.

Jesse

Corvus Raven Feb 19, 2004, 11:37am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
It is almost like sitting in the first 3 rows at the movies.

I prefer just behgind the middle speakers, sometimes halfway sometimes a little closer.

Ever try to watch a tennis game on something that large and that close? :) Tennis neck anyone? :)

With simple stereo, and a decent set to watch it on. Any move can be imersive. Especially if it is one you like.
So in some respects it is irrelivant.
I have a stero setup on one machine that is nice. Speakers weren't that exspensive. Onboard sound too. sounds great. (maybe not the best. but it was under 25$ - which makes it even better. ;) )

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Rory Witham Feb 19, 2004, 11:55am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
Hold on a sec, LCD projectors with the LCD color makers and dont use $500 lamps. As the LCD is stable for 50,000 hours its the light bulb (brite std ISH type) that need to be replaced, it not your standard 100W light bulb, there about 500W and cost alot less than the three color as they only make white light. thus makeing them a cheaper option. I dont know how much the bulbs are or where you can get them or the projectors this refers to (got the mag about somewhere), I read up on this over a year ago, which must be why projector cost are dropping on older model and still have high priced models in the LCD class

The cheaper models have poor ansi, contrasts and aspect, some even offer moderate specs and cupons for the replacement bulb, making it free for two bulbs, or one included, plus one depending on how you look at it.

taking into account the 5k rear projection TV life and is also a projector, ataching a projector to your PC make a cheaper option. we all know that are PC's are multi media devices in all manners, 7.1 sound and DVD is only one advantage or so many.


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OCGW Mar 19, 2005, 01:39am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: The wonders of HDTV and HD DVD playback
I agree w/ the original poster

I am WoWed by my HDTV

But it has never given me "goose bumps", like my Denon CD player, NAD amp, & Infiniti speakers have

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