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Edward Marek Jan 15, 2006, 02:13pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 15, 2006, 03:07pm EST

 
>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
The suggestion of going to: Regedit/HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management and setting the 'LargeSystemCash' value to 0 seems to have helped in my computer (P4C800E-Deluxe and ATI 9600XT). I don't seem to be having the Delayed write error any more with my 250GB Seagate Sata drive in an external USB2 case or if it does occur it is now infrequent whereas prior to making the change it was almost every time I backed up to the external hard drive.

Also setting the 'LargeSystemCash' value to 0 also solved another problem I was having on shutdown when an error message to do with an ATI program regularly came up with a message something like 'The instruction at 0x77f41d24 referenced memory at 0x00000000 could not be read’ etc. This doesn't happen any more after changing the 'LargeSystemCash' value to 0. Perhaps the delayed write error and the ATI error I was experiencing were related. Anyhow it is great not to see the ATI program error message not coming up any more (the ATI program causing the error message was something like ATI 2evv or similar).

Oops I spoke too soon-the delayed write error message just appeared but strangely there doesn't seem to be any actual error! The backup to the external hard drive was successful yet the delayed write error message came up so the error message is incorrect. At least the other problem I mentioned is fixed.

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Ed Burnett Feb 08, 2006, 01:29am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
Well, I finally got to the end of these posts. very interesting to see how many users are having problems. I feel for everyone.
I have an ASUS P4C800 Deluxe MoBo running RAID 0+1. As additional back up I decided to put some external HDDs on the Firewire port. Running my first back up produced one or two DELAY WRITE ERRORS. At first I thought nothing about it until I noticed it on large transfers like a movie. I still just accepted the fact...can't say why I did. Then because I wanted to record some streaming music I installed Audio Surgeon and bought an IOGEAR 320GB external to keep those file separate. Not sure I'm happy with the IOGEAR device. I ran tests using the othe externals that are Western Digital and the SW workd fine. So I tried a full record...like 4 hours. Then went through the process phase the transfer would hang and end with a DWE. Then even if it made the transfer for OK so youcould then SAVE and name the file, Audio Surgeon would crash. So I'm sitting here for the last few nights downloading and reading Google info and this BLOG. I checked all drivers and latest MS updates. Oh, running XP Pro SP2 which I like and it's real clean. The only change I made tonight was to disconnect the IOGEAR 320 from the Firewire chain and connect it to the USB port. I then made my Drive H which is a WDC 250GB Combo the catcher. So far for the last 3 hours I haven't had a problem. I didn't want to mess with the IOGEAR to see if it worked better on the USB until I captured a lot of good material. I checked my registry and I'm at 0 for LgeCache and the other Registry recommend was even greater than posted like 7 digits. Oh, I also have an ATI 9600 AIW. It's driver is at the 6.xx level. No driver updates available for the VIA Firewire chipset. I'll know more tomorrow. I can't believe that these posts go way back to 2004 with minimal results. I'll post anything I find.
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Edward Marek Feb 08, 2006, 03:02am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 08, 2006, 04:18am EST

 
>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
I've also noticed that the delayed write error is more likely when my external hard drive is connected via firewire rather than USB. I haven't yet seen any surefire solution. I tried setting a page file for each drive including the external drive and this made things much worse getting the error message constantly so I reset the page file to the main drive only and made it considerably bigger (min 1536MB max 4072MB) and I don't think I've got the delayed write error message since.

Ed Burnett Feb 08, 2006, 11:33am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
Ironically, when I fired the system up this morning it wouldn't boot. I didn't think the BIOS would change when I moved the 320GB connection from Firewire to USB...but it did. I had to go in to change BIOS settings. Up and running. Also, I went back in my log which...which I try to keep for everything I do to the system...and found DWE back in 2003 when I too was treaking system. Yes, I changed the Program to system option and immediately got a DWE and that was with a basic system, no externals or Firewire.
Will try the USB drive tonight when I have more time.

Ed Burnett Feb 08, 2006, 12:59pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Increasing Page File makes a lot of sense. I have 512mb RAM and thought performance would be better if I ran Vitual = Real. WRONG! Rule of thumb says make Page File 1.5X RAM. I found this problem when I was burning CDs. I'd get overruns and never could complete a burn. Cahnged Page File setting to 768mb - 1535mb max and fixed the problem. Based on your post Mark, since I have 240gb available on my RAID I'm going to set it at the range you did. Windows wants a Page File. I think that's the bottom line. Also maybe the 1.5X RAM is outdated what with the larger file sizes and what we all do with our systems now. AM I GLAD I FOUND THIS BLOG!

Edward Marek Feb 10, 2006, 09:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 10, 2006, 10:37pm EST

 
>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
I just got the Delayed write error message again so the larger page file didn't fix it. When I get the error message the external hard drive is no longer seen by the computer and has to be turned off and then on again for it to show up again.

I've now changed the Page File setting to ‘System managed file’ and Windows set it to Minimum of 2MB and Recommended 1533MB (which is around 1.5 times my actual memory of 1GB).

I also changed the setting 'Adjust for best performance' to 'Background services' instead of programs and did a successful backup to my external hard drive with no Delayed write error message which of course is no indication that the problem is fixed but at least it successfully completed it.

Interestingly Windows changed the 'LargeSystemCache' Memory Management setting in the registry back to 1. I've done a few backups this way and no error message so maybe setting the memory for Background services to have priority means more memory is available for backing up to an external drive.

I'll leave it since I have successfully done several backups without the error message and see how it goes. However if I get the error message again I'll learn to live with it otherwise I could wind up endlessly experimenting and never fix the problem.

Glenn Ryan Mar 01, 2006, 05:44am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have had DRF/E on two external backups - one a Maxtor. In both cases I have solved the problem by removing the hard disk from the external case, hooking it up to my PC via the EIDE adaptor and preforming a full format (not the quick format). The drives were then placed back in their external boxes and have worked faultlessly since, I don't really know why this has worked but it has been suggested that formatting an external HDD via the USB or firewire connection is not reliable or effective, hence formatting the HDD when connected via the EIDE adaptor.

Edward Marek Mar 01, 2006, 07:23am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
I still have not had the error since changing the setting I mentioned in my previous post to allow for more processor time to be devoted to background services and more memory to be devoted to system cache. It appears to have helped eliminate or at least reduced the frequency of the delayed write error.

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Edited: Mar 21, 2006, 10:48pm EST

 
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My problem is so strangely similar, and yet so strangely different, that I thought I would post it. I'm running an ASUS A7V8X motherboard which has been operating perfectly under Windows XP Pro, in spite of the ATI Radeon graphics card, for many months now. My system includes IDE devices as well as two SATA drives (through a Promise controller which was purchased because my first SATA drive was a Maxtor and therefore incompatible with the onboard SATA chipset). I also use SCSI on this system (including the boot drive). Anyway, with all of my hard drive ports maxed out, I wanted to add a non-Maxtor drive to the onboard RAID channel (two SATA and one IDE port). Research on the 'net told me that I could do this without creating a true multi-disk RAID by selecting "Striping" mode in FastBuild for the single drive (Western Digital 400GB). It was the creation of this array that caused the avalanche of Delayed Write Failed messages. They persisted even when I deleted the array that I had created and unplugged the drive. And not only did resorting to a previous "restore point" in Windows NOT help my situation, the computer seemed to hang without rebooting when "Safe Mode" or "Last Known Good Configuration" were selected. When I boot from a second SCSI drive with a different installation of XP, the RegEdit reveals that the magical LargeSystemCache is set to (0). Anyway, my system is still not working long enough (in Normal mode) for me to make changes via RegEdit, as it keeps hitting me with dozens of Delayed Write Failed popups and then greets me with the DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL "Blue Screen of Death" and reboots, only to have the whole CHKDISK fiasco run again and produce more errors and another reboot. However I can open RegEdit long enough to see that LargeSystemCache is set to (1) and this appears to be the distinct difference between the version of XP that runs properly and the one that doesn't. Is anybody using Spin Rite 6? I feel like writing them an e-mail and asking if their program will fix my sticky situation. This instance alone would be worth the price of that software. I'll be horrified if I've lost data because of this rotten mess. I guess I'm facing an all-out re-installation now, since my "good" SCSI boot drive is tiny (4.3GB) compared to my now-crippled newer SCSI (143GB).

Bryan Choa Apr 06, 2006, 08:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 06, 2006, 10:54pm EDT

 
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Hi! I've got another unique situation that caused the DWF - I have a Toshiba 40gb laptop hard drive in an enclosure (firewire from enclosure - USB to the computer). I didn't encounter this problem before. I got this problem when I transferred songs from the external HD to i tunes. I unplugged the HD from the USB and now the computer cannot detect it. The only change to my computer was an upgrade to DirectX9.0c. Any suggestions on how to get my HD detected again? I don't think it was a mechanical failure. Thanks for the help!

p.s. I've checked the large system cache and it was set to 0. I've tried typing in 0xFFFFFFFF in the registry/system pages but it won't accept the "x" character. I've gone into the BIOS and the hard disk is automatically detected and I can't change it. HELP!!!

Ryan Patrick Apr 09, 2006, 09:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
The way I fixed Delayed Write Failed / Error:

I had my drive hooked up via usb 2.0 to my computer. I was attempting to backup my xbox games from my xbox hard drive. Well, I got the delayed write error, then my drive would disconnect. I tried all of the methods decribed in this thread and none of them solved it. What I ended up doing is going into the bios and disabling usb 2.0. BAM everything is transfering fine.

Transfers are 10x slower now but at least its functional.

I swear I'm going to Linux next reinstall.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Apr 09, 2006, 09:59pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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good luck getting everything running.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Bob Barker Apr 18, 2006, 12:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
So there's a million posts here, the subject has "FINALLY SORTED OUT", but I've read through every post - I don't see any definate solutions... I see some suggestions, I see some things that work for some people and not others, I see a lot of different reasons for the error. And most importantly, no solutions that work for me ;]

I have:
- K7N2 Motherboard
- Maxtor 300GB drive in USB 2.0 case
- I DONT have an ATI video card (that suggestion is rediculous).

I split the drive into 2 partitions. I copied about 60GB worth of data to partition 1 - worked fine. When I tried to copy a bunch of stuff to the 2nd partition (starts are about 141GB in) I get the error after a couple minutes of copying. The drive is not disconnecting for me, it just seems to stall and then I get the Delayed Write error. Has anyone considered this a overheating problem?

Has anyone even figured out the definate cause of this? MS KB is terrible at explaining things.
Those registry hacks (which dont work for me) just seems to coverup the actualy problem, not fix it. What is the actual technical problem that causes this? Is the HD cache too full or empty? Slow USB ? Overheating?

Bob Barker Apr 19, 2006, 11:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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No one seems to care, but I'm still giving an update :]

- I Ran chkdsk and got no errors.
- When I connected the HD to my motherboard, I had no problems writing tons of data.
- When in the USB2 case, I found that I can actually write GBs of data with no error. It seems that a certain type of file causes the problem...wav files seems to be a possibility. This is really odd to me, possibly indicates a problem in Windows?
- I booted to NTFSDOS and copied files with no errors, but I believe it was in USB 1 mode. The files I coped were the ones that gave me a problem in XP.
- I have two other HDs which I tested copying a bunch of data from to this new drive. The one area that gives me the most problems is this folder full of .wav files. Meanwhile, some things can be copied with no errors at all.

Jonathan Pollack May 13, 2006, 11:58pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I've got an A7M266-D and an old Matrox G550, so my problem's slightly different aside from receiving these errors all the time for the past few months. Up until last week, I was using a Promise FastTrak100 TX2 card for RAID 1, but due to these Delayed Write Failed errors and a call to Promise tech support, I decided to try switching to an SIIG brand RAID card -- this after swapping out one of the hard disks that appeared to be the problem. I'm not running anything in external USB2 or 1394 enclosures. I've tried tweaking all of the registry settings under Memory Management and nothing has helped at all. After a while, I get these errors, I'm unable to open new programs for a minute or two due to "Insufficient Resources", and then everything snaps back to normal. My PSU is an Antec TruePower 550, which should be more than sufficient for two MP 1800+s and two 80 gig Seagate drives. I'm currently out a bit of money, a lot of time, and even more peace of mind. In case it matters, the error code in the event log ntfs message is 0xC00000A1, which is STATUS_WORKING_SET_QUOTA. Any ideas, please?!

Sender Mender Jun 06, 2006, 01:12pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I had the delayed write problem with a Maxtor 300GB disc and an MS-Tech external HD rack. Same here, ATI graphics card, and delayed write error.

What I did to solve this?
I removed the Maxtor Disk and place it into another USB rack (just for testing), and it works flawlessly. So I just have to return the MS-tech external HD rack to the shop and buy another brand. Apparently, this MS-tech external Harddisk LU-358 only looks nice, but for my system it just does not work. This was my conclusion after one day of tweaking...

Zoé Dutrisac Aug 09, 2006, 12:26pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!

I though it would be nice if I explain what I did to solve the problem on my Windows XP SP2 Pentium 4 PC with Silicon Image SiI680 Ultra ATA/133 PCI-to-ATA Host Controller. I was trying to have 4 HDD installed on this card (maximum possible) not in RAID but was having the Delayed Write Failed error on the primary master disk and Windows was doing a non successful checkdisk on the same disk every time I booted.

WHAT I DID TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM:
I desinstalled the actual Silicon Image driver (680r). Then, I booted on a DOS boot diskette and loaded the IDE BIOS (b3210.bin) in the IDE card using the updflash.exe utility. I finally installed the 680 (not r) - SiI0680/0680A 32-bit Windows IDE - Driver (for non RAID configuration).

For the files to download for this solution, go to:
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=31 (use the BIOS and Driver info in the Support Tools at the right of the screen).

After that, I had to do a complete Windows checkdisk of the primary master disk (Maxtor PowerMax did not find any problem with the HDD) and it did fix a lot of problems I had on the drive (corrupted info, etc.). I recovered all my data (but part in found.000 folder). Everything is fine now!! Hurrah!

If you have the 680r driver and you want to use the drives in IDE (not in RAID), then you have the wrong BIOS and the wrong driver. The driver 680 (IDE) will not work with the actual BIOS (as I understood, the default BIOS is for RAID configuration).

Hope it will help somebody.

Pete Gebhardt Aug 10, 2006, 06:03pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Aug 10, 2006, 06:07pm EDT

 
>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
I think I'm on to something.
Being a DJ I'm used to seeing the problem simply be the cable, so I only spent 4 hours looking at forums for a solution before I tried a new USB cable. It seems that when I use thinner usb cables I get the error. When I use one of those clear sheathed thicker and short usb cables I get no delayed write error failures on my external hard drives. Try it and post your results.

Ardo Jueri Aug 30, 2006, 04:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Aug 30, 2006, 06:06pm EDT

 
>> Re: Delayed Write Failed / Error - FINALLY SORTED OUT!
I have the same problem when I try to transfer music to my new Sony NW-E002 mp3 player. I've tried almost everything mentioned in this topic, now i get that error rarely but it's still there. At the beggining, about 20% of songs went through, now, after some tweaks, it's about 80%.

And yes, I'm an ATI user (Club3d 9800Pro AIW).


Any ideas?

If I won't get it working, I would have to sell it. :(


Ardo.


EDIT: Exactly this problem. Any ideas where to get that patch?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/842520


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