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hjs Apr 07, 2004, 02:41am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yeah Yeah, seeing is believing.
We have read all this kind of nice stories before, just before the nv30 was launched.

Let the games begin, let see some real world performance from nVidia and ATI next gen cards.


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I agree tbh, we saw all of this type of hype from Nvidia on the Geforce4, and imo the cards were pretty rubbish in comparison to other manufacturers. Seeing is beleiving and there is no way i would buy another Nvidia card with out experiencing the graphics first hand'.

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Nvidia top of the line cards are not bad now. I am generally happy with the image quality. I was not impressed with thier ad campaign though, crank it up, well I have, and am not too impressed with framerate with everything turned on, it does look good though.

Now if thier next gen card, can negate the performance hit when you turn on all the eye candy, I will have to give it a whirl. But I am also waiting for the PCI-express, and going to wait to get a video card in that flavor.

Remember, video card benchmarks are just that, and a very vague way to compare cards. The only thing that really matters, is how well a card performs for what programs YOU run.

I would love the day, that a card comes out, that can handle anything you throw at it. Mabe that day will come.

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I don't think that PCI-Express is going to make that big of a difference because most of the textures are stored on the video card when you are playing games... besides if bandwidth between the video card and the rest of the system were the bottleneck we would have seen huge increases in video performance when 8x AGP came out and it did basically nothing. Hopefully this new chipset will be as fast as they say it will but usually changes in the computer world are evoloutionary not revoloutionary but we'll see...

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It will only be a matter of time before NVIDIA takes the crown. Then, ATI will steal it back. And then NVIDIA, then ATI, and the battle will continue for eternity. Sort-of like AMD vs Intel.

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Let's put it this way, the early bird gets the worm.

ATI is obviously either hesitating or not releasing much info on their R4X0, which gives Nvidia an open opportunity to release a new GPU.


But I have one question for them: WHY NOW?

I mean, it's only been a few months since they released the 5950, and a lot of people are still settling in with their current purchases, not to mention I'm designing a waterblock that probably won't fit to the NV40 reference.

Nvidia would be doing everyone a favor if they waited until late May, June, or July to release the NV40... the highest on that favor list being ATI, who probably isn't going to be able to squeeze their GPU out until August.


Not to mention the fact that GDDR3 hasn't matured to the point most people would expect it to be at, Intel is struggling with their Prescott, AMD is struggling to find a market for their 64's, and the BTX standard of motherboards is coming out soon.





To Rodney, who mentioned PCI-E::

Current GPU's have support for 2x(100mhz), 4x(133mhz), and 8x(266mhz) but only utilize the potential bandwidth of a 4x card, despite what setting they're at.

PCI-E will set a standard of running at almost half the FSB of the processor, but won't make an absolute difference because of software limitations.

There's just no productive way to use this amount of bandwidth without having more processing power on the GPU (which currently processes a significant amount of GFLOPS more than the processor).


The only benefits of it would be having the same amount of bandwidth if you were to purchase two PCI-E cards, opposed to a current setup that limits you to AGP and PCI, and you can place them in any slot you want. But I think the top slot will be specific to the graphics card.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Apr 08, 2004, 07:23am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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well ATI is working on Native PCI Express R423 Graphics card and then will have the R420 which will be AGP 8X, the R420 will use the same core as the 423 but will be used for AGP, sort of like there is gonna be a stepdown chip on that graphics card, like the step up chip on the PCI X FX Graphics Cards

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Rich Monk Apr 08, 2004, 02:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well this all sounds exciting but who wants to pay for a graphics card that is gonna be like $600.. If they made this card they would have to make other variatinos of it so you could purchase it at a reasonable price $175-$225 range.. that is the only way that they will boost sales and getting more people into Nvidia as opposed to ATI. Hope this all works out and we can see a new line of good cards for a half decnet price..

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What are you talking about? ATI is just as expensive as NVidia........ Their high end cards cost just as much as Nvidia. There are models for both brands that are similiar in price. I do not see why people in this topic seem to be displeased with the performance of Nvidia hardware.. I have a 5900 Ultra, and nothing I have played yet even phases it. Even with AA and AAF turned up.. I plan on sticking with Nvidia because I like knowing that my card is going be reliable and most importantly compatible with my hardware.. All i see in these forums is how "My ATI card is causing my system to lockup/blue screen/not boot" Seems like it is a roll of the dice if an ATI card is going to work properly with various motherboards and other hardware combinations. The one and only ATI product I bought corrupted my registry to the point I had to format. On the other hand, this is about the 4th or 5th Nvidia card I have gotten, and I have never had an issue with compatibility. And there is like no difference at all between image quality between the two brands in my opinion. I have seen games played on both. I personally can not wait for the NV40. It is going to own everything else out there.

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ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT ATI HAS PROVEN ITS SELF EVER SINCE OUR FRIEND THE 9700 PRO WAS CREATED

so when yall get ready to give NV Head. just remember that ATI is always clam as has had and will have NV on the ropes. NUFF said!!!!
I sure hope i see another successful NV30 and 35 chip set HAHAHAHA. compared to the 9800XT the 5950 was a joke AND FOR the pirce dont make me laugh! :-)

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ATi > Nvidia.... Nuff said, geforce name has been tainted for me ever since i got my geforce 2 in disguise (the G4MX420) Geforce 4 my f**king ass.....

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Kyle Whitworth Apr 12, 2004, 01:03pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: NV40, NVIDIA gets in the game
how come whenever anybody on this site talks about nvidia or ati, a huge argument starts?

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dont know but the only thing i have to say is 9800 pro for 198 and seeing the BENCHMARKS HERE http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-13.html
NUFF SAID NVIDA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

THEY NEED TO GIVE IT A REST DUDE THE 5950 GETS BEAT IN TEST WITH THE 9800 PRO NEED I SAY ANYMORE:-)

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FEEL u on the Hard drive john i got the same damn ONE

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Haha I had the Geforce4 Ti4200 and it was an AMAZING card hahaha...Loving this 9800Pro though....ahh its nice to have finally played catch up....OO And for ATIs PCI-E card Im excited cause looks like MSI will be the manufacture or atleast one of them ATI will FINALLY have a good 3rd party maker.....unlike Saphire and Powercolor.....

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you ati users are f**ken dumb as a rock

The differences between nvidia and ati top line cards are in the range of 5fps in DOZENS of benchmarks, the primary advantage of one over the other would be price, and whichever games you play, as you can see the nvidia is better in some games, while the ati is better in others

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So does this new nVidia card mean we don't have to listen to these gay ass nVidia vs. ATI threads for awhile? What do you think about Japanese trucks racing in the Craftsman Truck Series now?

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Dont know what the craftsman truck series is.....but i do know a little about graphics cards...

well ok...i admit it...i just go by benchmarks like everyone else and futuremark and aquamark scores etc.etc.

Tim, this thread aint about ATI's 9800pro/XT or whatever being better than NVidia's 9500/9550U/XT or whatever...
And to the guy that bought a 'GForce4MX' and was dissapointed...tough sh*t...if you had of done a little research then you wouldnt have been so easily duped into buying such a product.

Anyway i'm straying off the path here a little. what i want to say is....

HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THE BENCHMARKS FOR THE 6800 Ultra.???????????????????????

Thats what this thread is about after all isn't it??? All i can say at this moment is NVidia have created a monster. Like any intelligent body, they have learned from thier mistakes..(with the NV30/3536 etc.)
I'm not saying ATI wont release something to challenge it...but whatever they release wil have to be very very very very good to compete with the NV40 and in my opinion they won't even catch it, nevermind beat it.

So all you ATI fanboys...go on, go ahead and tell me now who's got the best card.?????? Or just wait another month till ATI releases thier R420 and you can tell me then. My money say's it'll be NVidia, but lets wait and see.

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By the way you can read the reviews of the 6800 Ultra almost anywhere...just google it.

But there are good articles over at http://www.tomshardware.com and http://www.anandtech.com
also at http://www.tech-report.com

Theres loads of them..and they all say much the same thing. NVidia has a winner.

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Sorry Kevin, I forget about the international flavor here once in a while. The Craftsman Truck Series is a NASCAR stock car race, but with pickup trucks instead of cars. I always equate these ATI nVidia arguments with the "good old boys" arguing over which is better. A Chevy or a Ford. And now one of the Japanese makers has decided to race with the American trucks. Challenging our Auto erotic masculinity. It's like somebody walking into the middle of an ATI nVidia argument and saying "What about my Wild Cat VP990 Pro GPU?" And that ones only $800

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