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K B Apr 10, 2004, 08:26pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi, after much saving im almost ready to start buying the parts for my much needed upgrade. Ive done lots of searching and changed my mind several times, and now selected the parts i want to get but i would like a second (or third, forth ... ) opinion as to wether all the parts are compatible. Ive 'helped' a mate to build a cheaper comp a while ago, but this is my first proper build and im a bit nervous. Anyways, my main use for my PC is gaming, music and graphics stuff and heres what i have chosen ... just slighlty over budget :o

Thermaltake V2000+ Xaser III Supertower ATX Case in Silver No PSU (Possibly?)
Super Flower Real 520w Quadruple Fan PSU Gold AMD and Intel Compliant
Asus P4C800 Deluxe Skt478 8xAGP DDR400 Serial ATA, USB 2.0 and Firewire Hyper-threading
Intel Pentium 4 3.0prescott 800fsb 1mg Cache
Coolermaster Aero4 Fan for Intel processors upto P4 3.6 Ghz With Speed Adjustment
Crucial 512 DDR400 PC3200 CL=3 Memory Module (Hope to get 2nd later if needed)
Seagate ST3120026AS 120gb 7200rpm Barracuda 7200.7 SATA - OEM
MSI Fx5950U-VTD256 Ultra 8xAGP 256MB VIVO TV-Out DVI Retail Box (Possibly?)

Im undecided about the grafix card though, partly due to price (nearly 300 quid, a third of the total cost) and because im not sure how long it would be before i could upgrade it if i get a cheaper, although still pricey, 128 now.
Im planning on useing my CD/DVD-ROM, CD-RW, Floppy, keyboard mouse and monitor, and OS (ME) that i have at the moment.
If anyone uses these parts or knows about them and could predict any problems i might meet, or if ive missed anything essential.

Thanks,
KB


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Jay J Apr 10, 2004, 10:20pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Everything sounds great.... I use a themaltake v1000a and i love the tower. I bought it without a power supply so i could put what i wanted in it. The fan controller is ok. Not back lit so that kinda p**ses me off for the price they charge you for the case alone. Im going to upgrade to the hardcano 12 fan contorller I belive thats what what model number it is. if your going to get 512mb of ram i would get 2x256 dual chanel ram if the mobo your gonna get supports it...but everything you listed sounds pretty good for the things you want it to do... Fyi the thermaltake tower is a pain to set up but welllllll worth the hassle. Good luck if you want more info just write a new thread!

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Will Olson II Apr 10, 2004, 10:37pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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DONT GET THE INTEL CHIP get a AMD 64Bit Proc you'll save A TON OF MONEY and be ALOT HAPPIER WITH IT...TRUST ME!!!

MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR
AthlonXP 2800+(barton)
eVGA nVIDIA 6800GS 256MB
Crucial 1.5GB DDR in Dual Channel

Will Olson II Apr 10, 2004, 10:45pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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and dont get the Seagate Drive get a WD RAPTOR SATA their 76GB 10,000RPM HDD

MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR
AthlonXP 2800+(barton)
eVGA nVIDIA 6800GS 256MB
Crucial 1.5GB DDR in Dual Channel

Will Olson II Apr 10, 2004, 10:46pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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One last thing sorry for all the posts....get rid of ME....for godsakes please get rid of ME go back to 98 if you have to ME is the biggest pile of Junk MS ever made its buggy and flawed and you'll never get it to work right....its just not worthy of a system like that.....LAST POST I PROMISE

MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR
AthlonXP 2800+(barton)
eVGA nVIDIA 6800GS 256MB
Crucial 1.5GB DDR in Dual Channel

ROY G Apr 10, 2004, 10:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Some good upgrade stuff there my friend. I`m sure you will make a good choice . When people tell you not to buy something ,always ask for a GOOD sound reason why you should not get what they say is bad? Not just it is not good,ask for proof on what they suggest. Good luck

Trent W. Apr 10, 2004, 10:55pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I dont know why Will Olson II doesnt like Intel chips, cause...well...He didn't say. I would agree with going with amd though. They have a better price/performance ratio. I would not go with the AMD 64 because there are not enough programs out there that can take advantage of that power to justify the cost.

Will Olson II Apr 10, 2004, 11:00pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Its the price preformance ratio thing like you said....and the Prescotts are having HUGE Thermal problems Intel chips cost SOOOOO much money and if he wants to stick in a budget he'll save a TON and be VERY satisfied with the AMD....

MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR
AthlonXP 2800+(barton)
eVGA nVIDIA 6800GS 256MB
Crucial 1.5GB DDR in Dual Channel

Trent W. Apr 10, 2004, 11:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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double...sorry

Trent W. Apr 10, 2004, 11:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Agreed. AMD has the best product out right now, I am just not sure if the 64 bit is worth it right now.

K B Apr 11, 2004, 04:43am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi, and thanx guys.
About the Ram Jay Jay ... i was thinking about getting 2x256 dual channel ram but i chose against because i wanted to get another stick of 512 later. Im unsure, but i think there is only 2 DDR slots on the board so i was thinking that two 512s would be better than 2x256 dual, although im not certain about that at all. I also heard the case was a mission to set up, so i may be getting back to you on that LOL.
ummm, the AMD/Intel thing ... to be honest i made my decision on the P4 coz i like the sound of this hyper-threading (Maybe im a sucker?) but ive read so much trash talk all over the net from supportors of each that i decided that they must be reasonably equal so just go for the one that stands out, within my price range and gives me that 'Feeling' and be done with it! lol
I looked at the WD RAPTOR SATA their 76GB 10,000RPM HDD and read many good things about it but its over twice the price for half the space. Its sounds a great bit o kit but ill be wanting a lot of space, so one i had to put on my wish list for when/if i can ever afford two. RAID sounds interesting and id like to learn more about that.
I deffinitly want to upgrade to XP Pro from ME when i can get some more cash together, but as long as i can get ME to work ill be OK for a while. Ive only owned one comp so only experianced ME and i heard lots o bad stuff about it, but i havent had any probs at all really, or at least none that ive known about. Oh, apart from Windows Media Player has never worked, but i like Real anyways :)

Im still unsure about the grafix card if you have any advice, and ill have to check more closly about the number of DDR slots available to see if i can have 2x256 dual channel and a single 512 and/or 2x 512??? if anyone knows this? :o but other than that, if this collection is all compatible then i think thats what ill be going for.
What and why do you recommend AMD over the P4, and whats an equivilant AMD?

Thanx again for your input on this, i hope to place an order next week if im brave, if not early next month.
Cheers,
KB







gsmj_uk Apr 11, 2004, 05:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi KB, its going to be a nice rig!!

One thing I would advise is that in many forums there appear to be way to many issues with your chosen motherboard. Perhaps if you take a look at the ABIT IC7-MAX 3, it get so many fantastic reviews and nets the editors choice in every review for a P4 motherboard (as long as you install the newest bois).

The Powersupply may look cool and the advantage of 4 fans will be great to cool the beast, but it since you are already buying some great quality components you may want to consider a power supply with a better reputation. After all you do want to have as consistent power as possible, if you intend to overclock then its a must, if you intend to connect a large number of peripherals then its also a must. I would have a look at the antec line of PSU's which are a little more expensive but worth the cash. You have to consider that the PSU as well as the case are probably going to be with you during a number of upgrades so you should pay special attention to what ou are buying in that department.

I would definately agree with the coments regarding dual channel DDR. In a test i did on my board, I removed my 1 gig of standard ram and put in 512 (2x 256) of dual channel Crucial and got 2500 extra points in almost every bechmark program I ran. OCZ Dual chanel DDR 4000 (Gold Edition) Cannot be beaten!!!

In closing I would say "Can you wait"????
This year will see the ralease of BX standard Motherboards, and cases as well as the launch of PCI Express and DDR 2 Memory, which will see a whole new world of performance. I know many people who have stopped buying hardware for the very reason that in the next few months there will be so many new products on the market. If you can wait for a few months then you will be in a great position to buy the newest hardware available......and after saving more money you will definately have all the cash you need to buy THE BEST OF EVERYTHING!!!!

Good Luck

Greg

Will Olson II Apr 11, 2004, 11:55am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well the Prescott for one is having HUGE thermal issues its running MUCH MUCH Hotter than the XP and equivenlnt would be the AMD 3200(barton) you want the barton core for the extra Cache...the AMD chips just do MORE WORK PER CYCLE so they have lower clockspeed but do MORE work then the Raw GHZ of P4s and if you like the whole Hyper Threading thing AMD has a version of that on their new 64BIT Procs....And you'll be saving A TON of money and be completly satisfied....

MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR
AthlonXP 2800+(barton)
eVGA nVIDIA 6800GS 256MB
Crucial 1.5GB DDR in Dual Channel


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