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Michael A. Jun 16, 2004, 11:34am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Koen Kwak Jun 16, 2004, 12:28pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
of course there will always be some manufacturers that will find out something in between. For example on CeBit we've seen a lot of ATX boards with the socket 775 and normal DDR memory. Also in on of the articles on HWA I believe you could find a board that had an AGP connector as well as a PCI-Express connector. About BTX I'm not all to sure. Ive seen only a few BTX cases on CeBit and loads of ATX cases. I don't think I've seen even 1 BTX board at CeBit.

There is always a difference between what Intel wants / does and what manufacturers do.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 16, 2004, 12:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
BTX Form Factor just means a new Rear Panel Template, Motherboard Mounting holes and ATX Powersupplies are used for this new STANDARD, it is meant for power requirements and regulations.

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Koen Kwak Jun 16, 2004, 01:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
In other words a new case.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 17, 2004, 01:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
not at all, the BTX template in for the IO connectors will fit and the motherboard mounting holes will be the same, all it is is the difference in positioning of the CPU, this allows for more airflow to come across the CPU.

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chas P Jun 17, 2004, 01:36am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
this is a major major win for AMD. if they do their homework and play it smart, they could be neck to neck in terms of market share with intel in 2-3 years

Koen Kwak Jun 17, 2004, 10:00am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
more information on BTX can be found here: http://www.intel.com/update/contents/dt10031.htm

You will need a new case because I honestly do not believe that case manufacturers will get you a case that fits both ATX and BTX motherboards. As you can see within that link the PCI / PCI-Express and connectors for keyboard and such have traded places on the back of the case.

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Edited: Jun 18, 2004, 01:15am EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
The rear panel chassis cutout window is 4mm longer and 16mm narrower so even though it is difficult for me to visualize, by looking at the numbers, a new case will be in order (fig 3.3.4). Also the 10 hole mount spots on the mobo specs are completely different from current ATX placement (fig 3.2.1.1). The motherboard power connector is a 24 pin not 20 pin, and has the same configuration as an EPS PSU (server) connector, with the exception of the added 12V 4 pin square mobo power connector like we currently have, and the absence of a -5V line. I don't undferstand why they are showing the 24 pin connector (4.1 table 10), yet are saying the mobo power connectors will be compatable with current ATX connectors (chapter 2 Form Factor overview). You may or may not have to add a new power supply to that case order. Am I missing something here? It will be interesting to see if the GPU guys will have a native chip ready for PCIe or will only have bridge chip solutions.

http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/BTX_Specification%20v1.0a.pdf

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 18, 2004, 01:16am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
i heard that the one for intel would work with ATX standards

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Edited: Jun 18, 2004, 01:28am EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
Airman have you seen anything definite? Everything I can find is very vague. Even the industry standards doc I quoted from. Why do they always have to be so mysterious about this $h!+. And P4 2.4C GHz tells me everything I need to know. Why do they have to get weird like AMD. Do they have to call it an aquatic flotation device for inflation by mouth? Jez it's a damn blow up raft for christ sake!

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 18, 2004, 01:40am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
payton u need to cool jets.

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angryhippy Jun 18, 2004, 02:55am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
Oh Airman it's all done with a smile on my face. I actually did see that raft at an army surplus store though. I love how these Asian companies describe things in their user manuals. Like my mobo manual. It says

Safety Precautions
Follow these safety precautions when installing the mainboard.
1. Leave components in the static proof bags they came in.

AH HA HA HA HA!!!! CAN YOU JUST SEE THE INSIDE OF SOME NOOBS CASE ON HIS FIRST BUILD WITH ALL THE COMPONENTS INSTALLED WITH THEIR BAGS STILL ON THEM? AH HA HA HA HA!!!

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 18, 2004, 03:10am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
ya true, something messed up in translation, not to mention those bags conduct electricity externally.

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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
Payton that is hilarious......I can actually imagine someone squeezing an AGP card in with the bag still on.

As for the new standard in BTX cases, Coolermaster have designed the Stacker to be compatible with all current ATX and the New BTX case standards. They are available to buy but I have not heard any reviews so far. You can trust that a company like coolermaster are not going to promise without delivering, the case has been designed to dramatically improve the thermal environment inside your case.

The thing with all of these new Standards is that apart from being expensive, they are riddled with bugs. As each piece of hardware is an entirley new build, its going to be some time before we can see any real reason to go ahead with upgrading an entire system. It will take the manufacturers a considerable amount of time to push the standards to a level where we can all see the point in upgrading. The recent test at http://www.extremetech.com gives a good demonstration of the new hardware......but its by no means convincing when placed against the current best from Intel or AMD.

The review at Extreme Tech does point out that for those lucky enough to have a high-end P4/AMD systems then there is no need to upgrade any time soon. It seems however that the only people who are going to benefit from the new hardware standards are going to be those using Graphics Intensive applications. For those not rendering in CAD or playing high end games there is just no real point in upgrading if you are already running above 2 Ghz.

If you do need a new case, buy the Coolermaster Stacker. By the time your current hardware gives up the ghost then you will have a great case and the next gen hardware should be at a point making an upgrade worthwhile.

angryhippy Jun 20, 2004, 04:50pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
GSMJ. That would be funny huh? I'm getting ready to tear down my whole system and do some serious modding on the basic structure of my case this weekend so if I screw it up I may be needing a new case sooner than expected.<g>

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Chris McGee Jun 21, 2004, 07:55am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
So, in the future, if you want to switch from Intel to AMD (or vice versa), you can't just go get a new mb and cpu for 200, you got to get mb, cpu, graphics card, memory and case. Hell, chuck in a hard disk and you got a whole new box.

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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
"So, in the future, if you want to switch from Intel to AMD (or vice versa), you can't just go get a new mb and cpu for 200, you got to get mb, cpu, graphics card, memory and case. Hell, chuck in a hard disk and you got a whole new box."

Indeed, that's one of the problems you'll be faced with, AMD is not likely to move to BTX due to their memory controller being built into the processor itself. Moving to a BTX form factor would mean long traces and a routing nightmare for them. I highly doubt we'll ever see BTX motherboard from AMD.

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Will Olson II Jun 21, 2004, 11:00pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
I think trying to change everything at once will be a pretty good IDea. Instead of new socket. few months later new MB. later PCI-E...and etc then every few months we would have to buy new crap try to implament it all at once give it a year to work out all the bugs and it'll be nice. But I think its better than slowly updating over the next year cause it would p**s me off getting new CPU new MB every couple of months. But we'll see.

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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=200

ABIT AG8 Intel 915P Chipset PCI Express Intel LGA775 CPUs ATX FORM FACTOR I guess we can keep our cases a little longer

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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
i think they shouldnt change the standards.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 22, 2004, 02:31am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel Socket-775 platform, betting it all on one horse?
well thats great just wait for the AMD boards, too bad the 754 CPU boards out dont support Dual Channel DDR1/2

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