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Dirk M Aug 06, 2004, 07:07am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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What I would like to know is if this reviewer actually played the game? Yes the characters are similar to original doom bu I find myself to bizi blowing them to bit then to stand there gawking at the exact pixel count. No, I find the game addictive with an evil atmosphere that scares me wittless but keeps me playing, yes it is a fps was it ever supposed to be something else ? and in someways its DOom 1 & 2 with what I find some very nice graphics. When this reviewer makes a statement Farcry is so great in comparison I dont think so I ghave it a whirl and foudn it booring yes it looks pretty but hey lets go walking up a sandy beahc with an M16 when was the last time we all did that ? Oh thats right for ever, Farcry is B1942 - DC conversion with prettier graphcis and slightly diffrent story whoppie cushon doo. Doom is a Dark, Evil, Addictive, "Aliens" feel shootem up heavy on the graphics card, well my 9800Pro and dam it is good.


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Sean B Aug 06, 2004, 08:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really
I can only partially agree with this article...

Most of the textures are 256x256 or lower... which is very disheartening when even the minimum system required card could easily render 512x512 or even 1024x1024 textures.

Comparing the CryTek engine to the ID-D3 engine is merely apples and oranges. Doom III uses polybump/bump mapping techniques appropriately, whereas FarCry still has a lot of high polygon, performance degrading models. I would've liked the fog to be done in Pixel Shader, rather than a specular effect... but it only looks dithered because of compression.

If you disable all compression, set the game to Ultra, turn on 4x Anisotropic and 4x AntiAliasing the game is in a different ballpark from FarCry... which isn't able to sustain the 30fps I get from Doom III on my 5900XT.
Granted... without modifications to the configuration, the game looks like the Matel toy company developed a PlayDoh engine.

ID soft made promises and they didn't fail to deliver. The audio is substantially better than FarCry, with over 7 different sounds per bullet, voiceovers that actually fit the characters they portray, and mouths that move synchronized with the vocals. The gameplay is heartpounding throughout... although the story starts to fall short during the second half of the game. Honestly, guys, there is more to look at than the graphical output... even though a 6800 Ultra gets a nice workout with this engine.

For those who went out and bought a brand new graphics card just to play a game that has yet to be released, please take a nametag labeled "I'm a moron who purchases based on hype" to the next E3 or any other event, so I know who not to talk to.

The game looks just as nice on my 5900 as it would on a 6800, and here are screenshots to prove that:

http://www.geocities.com/teq_guy

KURT SEVICK Aug 06, 2004, 08:09am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
I've got a 14 year old son who used to think that graphics were "all that." At first he thought that Galaxies was going to be the game of the century because it looked so good. The only problem was that once the facination with the pretties were over, he realized that, at least in the begining of Galaxies...content also counted. A month later he went back to playing Everquest.

My point? All this reviewer looked at was graphical content. The fact that I actually jumped more than once on the first level alone is what counts. The fact that my son had to remind me to breath is what makes Doom3 not just good...but great. The fact that I had to be told that craning my head to try to see around the corner wasn't going to work is a testament to the game. "It's just a game, Dad!!!!"

Doom3 is exactly what was promised..a good looking FPS game with a definate nod to the old school, lots of atmosphere and some very tense moments. Great job Id!!!

Richard Bailey Aug 06, 2004, 09:23am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
Original poster talked about rectangular shapes for heads etc... I didn't see this, really I didn't. I saw smooth curvy looking shapes for almost everything. Did the poster turn up his res?

I didn't sink into FarCry as I thought I would have. I mean I was tracking that game since before anyone I was taking too knew about it. But in the final game I found it slow paced, un-balanced difficulty, and the basic gun sounded like crap.

Doom 3, I'm into, and graphics aside (which I find, are the best I've seen) id made some great advancements in fps gaming. I've never seen panel interaction like in this game, seamless, and the PDA was a nice touch, esp. since you could play an audio log/video disk, and go back to the game while listening to it. These small things speak volumes to immersing yourself into the Doom 3 experience.

Now I'm just waiting for the mod makers to release the original Doom and Doom 2 on this engine! Yowsa!

- rmjb

Dylan Kelcher Aug 06, 2004, 09:32am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
yes! the original doom1 and doom2 levels (maybe even the final doom) on the doom3 engine would be AWESOME! :D

Caveman017 Aug 06, 2004, 11:44am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
The game is great, (although i have to play it at 800x600, damn 9500 pro) its fun, scary, and well better graphics then any other game that i own to date... i just wish it wasnt so short... im half way through, and have been only playing for 3 hours

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Stephen Matthews Aug 06, 2004, 12:46pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
ID done it first and they have done it again and what a game to bounce back with, everyone loved the original for it's levels and playability and of course it's fear level and almost everyone will love this sequel.
Ok it's heavy on system req's but what do you expect with graphics like those for all those with a system that cant play it upgrade at once it's well worth it and i am just on the first levels and have not seen very far into the game. I dont know how many times i have nearly s**t myself and jumped out of the chair must be those digital speakers i'm using it just sounds so good.
I am running it at 1024/768 on high detail only thnx to a beta driver off the ati website called catalyst 4.9 beta Doom 3 fix there is no support for this driver so use at youre own risk but i put it on and it does make some difference to all us Radeon users.
Anyway what i'm trying to say is dont listen to any negative things that you hear about doom 3 play for yourself and enjoy .... I would not recommend this game to anyone with heart problems ....!!!!!!

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Spencer Semple Aug 06, 2004, 12:51pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
I wrote a First Look for Far Cry (then called X-Isle by most), back when I wrote for Gamespy on 3DActionPlanet. IMO, having followed both of these games since early in the development process, I believe that Doom3 is the more polished, more proffesional game. Although Far Cry is graphically pleasing to most, the engine is unoptimized and glitchy unlike the final build of the Doom3 engine.

To talk about storylines, I found myself scared beyond belief by Doom3. With Far Cry I as often scared running through the jungle being chased by baddies, but I never jumped at anything or screamed. Both games immerse you in the story and make you feel a little uneasy about where you are.

They are both excellent games and their developers deserve a lot of credit. I think that the writer of the original article here is just some cynic that chooses to disagree with the hype because he can. I wholy recommend both of these games to everybody, including Doom3. It is a step back into the world of Single Player mastery and out of the world of Multiplayer boredom.

Greg M Aug 06, 2004, 03:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
I agree with this article!

I wish that they wouldnt have bumpmapped thes**t out of everything to make up for the the fact that there are relatively low polygon counts!
I also noticed that the characters all had really noticable polygons around the neck area and around the edges of their heads.
Just take a look at a wall...
many appear to have pipes sticking half way out, only when you get close to it you realize that its perfectly flat!
Dont get me wrong, the bumpmapping looks terrific if you simply run through the game, and not enjoying the graphics.

Also, I noticed the poor texturing several times on walls, and I NEVER saw that in far cry, and far cry ran FASTER!

I am not saying that this game is bad AT ALL... I am saying (and I think Sander was saying) that the graphics just have some problems.

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Sean B Aug 06, 2004, 06:48pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
"I agree with this article!

I wish that they wouldnt have bumpmapped the s**t out of everything to make up for the the fact that there are relatively low polygon counts!
I also noticed that the characters all had really noticable polygons around the neck area and around the edges of their heads.
Just take a look at a wall...
many appear to have pipes sticking half way out, only when you get close to it you realize that its perfectly flat!
Dont get me wrong, the bumpmapping looks terrific if you simply run through the game, and not enjoying the graphics.

Also, I noticed the poor texturing several times on walls, and I NEVER saw that in far cry, and far cry ran FASTER!

I am not saying that this game is bad AT ALL... I am saying (and I think Sander was saying) that the graphics just have some problems."


If I had a dime for every letter of ignorance....


Without bumpmapping, your cheesy system couldn't even play Doom III. Learn what rendering algorithms do. If you put a bumpmapped and polygonal render side by side, you would not be able to tell the difference between the two unless you modified the displacement between the planes.

Bump mapping does not equal low polygon counts. The polygons exist where they need to, and nowhere else. Before bump mapping, you either had to apply a two dimensional texture and/or add additional polygons to distinguish features, such as muscle, veins, armor, etc.

For this reason, the CryTek engine is not faster than the IDD3 engine... which has a different mapping algorithm that actually requires MORE polygons to be present.

The problems reside in your system and configuration, not the engine.

christian ruiz Aug 07, 2004, 01:58am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
I don't care about the graphics too much since i have a fx5200 but i am enjoying the game very very much. I like the story, the creativity and the monsters. I think it is like art on the terror side. I have played farc cry and it's such a stupid story and the sounds can't compare with doom 3's creepy sounds. Mayb far cry has realistic images or jus photos of beatiful spots should i say? Instead of creating and inventing facilities such the ones in doom 3. I repeart i don't care to have a sun shining while i kill unknown humans but i like the creations of the these horrible monsters invented from a fantastic brain. Its like art! I don't like a well draw of a sun i like a distorted sun that shines a black light!

ps FAR cry is like donkey kong 64 with a gun

Greg M Aug 07, 2004, 12:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
I just did an experiment by turning off bumpmapping, and it looks very bland.
I know that your really not supposed to run it without the bumpmapping unless you need to, but I wanted to get a good look at all the textures.

Well, without bumpmapping, it looks like a underground part of farcry, but a little more grayed.

I was a little harsh with my first post, and I was just upset because I (for some reason) dont like bumpmapping. It just looks stupid when you crouch next to a wall that appeared to have a bunch of things on it, and its really just flat.

In placed where you cant get that close, bumpmapping looks terrific, and does add a lot to the overall appeal of the game.

Oh, by the way, after turning off bumpmapping, I was able to go from 800x600 medium to 1024x768 Ultra at about the same speed.

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Will Olson II Aug 07, 2004, 11:25pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
Its ment to be scary....and is...ID wanted to revolutionize sound in a game....they have... nothing comes even CLOSE to the sound in D3...everyone wanted WAVE OF THE FUTURE GRAPHICS the game was started 5yrs ago so then it was the wave of the future it is now...THE FUTURE so its out play it enjoy it...if your playing it because you want it to look cool your playing it for the wrong reason its ment to scare you....not make you gooo OHHH I WISH I COULD JUST EAT THESE WALLS A PIPES...

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Sean B Aug 08, 2004, 05:55am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
Eat the walls and pipes?


Can you come over next time my sink or toilet gets clogged? Yeah... just put your tongue in there.

bull5h1t Aug 08, 2004, 11:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
I havent get a chance to play this game, but i already heard many negative comments. Well, all negative comments here wont stop me buying and playing doom3, as long as it is fun and enjoyable it wont be any problems for me (graphic isnt everything).

btw, Dirk. that thing you see in farcry isnt M16, its M4.

matt mcdonald Aug 26, 2004, 12:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
Right ok guys, I'm new here but here goes anyway. Bought doom3 and I'm quite far into it and it plays ok for awhile and I am enjoying it alot, but would you enjoy it as much if the game crashed every 10-25 minutes? It has spots of excellent play for upto half an hour, but at random the game freezes and I have to restart the pc. i have no idea why it's happening. At first I thought it could be my graphics card but it's fairly new, a radeon 9800, and that should be able to handle, i can play fine on medium/high quality, it runs ok then frozen. Despite this I am far into the game but i won't spoil any bits for you guys working through it.
Could i have a defective disc that suddenly stops being read?

My specs are:

512mb ram
2 ghz p4
radeon 9800 latest drivers
120gb hard drive
its a sony vaio if that makes a difference

Thanks for your help. It's a great game and i hate having to restart the pc so often it ruins gameplay. It can literally freeze anywhere, doors/explosions, turning a corner, switching a weapon you name it, even saving. Would upgrading Ram simply be the asnwer. i stop running everything but the game, antivirus etc included but still it crashes. i only run on medium features and 1024x 768 res.
Thanks v much, reply asap, your help really is appreciated.

Sean B Aug 26, 2004, 01:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
Vaios have terrible ventillation. Try removing the side panel... or if you don't want to void your warranty, you can remove the faceplates of the 5 1/4 (cdrom) bays and throw a desk fan in front of it.The 9800 gets seriously hot, so it could just be the card trying to throttle itself.


While you're at it, try updating your DirectX to 9.0C and get the patch to disable Doom III from requiring that the disk be present. It's available at http://www.gamecopyworld.com ... and yes, it's legal and the multiplayer mode will still function properly.

matt mcdonald Aug 26, 2004, 03:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
i will do all of that thanks. I'll try my best, hopefully that will sort out some of the problems. thanks again I'll let you know how it goes.

matt mcdonald Aug 27, 2004, 08:56am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
sorry guys, thanks for the help anyway, but the new direct x and opening up the cover, even using a fan isnt making a difference. It's obviously not the graphics card and I don't think it's memory either. I'm very unsure as to what is the problem, but i have used the no disc patchand it still crashes so it's not a disc run fault that's for sure. Nothing else can be said, maybe it's jsut bugs in the game that are clashing with my system, who knows. Hopefully the patch coming out will make all the difference. the gameplay is still excellent until the random crashes, but i feel let down by doom3 in the game itself jsut because it doesn't deserve all the hype in my opinion and the atmosphere/environment becomes samey after about 10 minutes and continues aimlessly for hours that way. Apart from that the game has been worth the money and in my opinion much better than farcry but not in comparison of graphics. hopefully the release of half life 2 will put all this behind us.
Also i thought about using the mentioned 4.9 radeon driver from Ati, has this improved gaming for anyone else or has it caused problems, its unsupported. what do you guys think?

Blood Brother Aug 27, 2004, 09:11am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
It's way too scary for me to play man. i like racing games better

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Sean B Aug 27, 2004, 03:37pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Doom3, just another first person shooter really << Tru but dam its a good one
You mean you're NOT using the Cat 4.9's? No wonder...

Those drivers were specifically designed for the release of Doom III. If you're using the 4.8's, they've been known to have serious issues, one of which is mentioned here: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33772916


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