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ivandaman Feb 14, 2003, 11:26am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GeForce 4 Problem with DirectX.
to mark king,

do u have an internal video or sound hardware thats still der ???
cos f u do i understand that u have an AGP and 6 channel sound right ?
dis might be some of the starting conflicts ..... keep us posted


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mark king Feb 14, 2003, 01:17pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GeForce 4 Problem with DirectX.
ivandaman,

Still got the problem yes it has hardware 5.1 sound on the motherboard Asus KT400 raid, sata.

Graphics is 4x AGP Ti4200 128mb Inno3D

The problem maybe just the games, a guy over on the unreal2 forums have changed the ini files default.ini and unreal2.ini and it doesn't at the same part, but does crash later.

Also to add this is a brand new mobo, week old, i had a jetway socket a mobo and was getting the same problem, i had a audigy eax sound card then.

ivandaman Feb 14, 2003, 01:58pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GeForce 4 Problem with DirectX.

i got the same problem 4 weeks ago i bought my computer and after a week it crashes by itself randomly ..... it tried this ....

first try this uninstall all the new drivers and old ones then reboot
reinstall all the new drivers again then reboot....

if it stil didnt work try this .... go to the device manager and disable
all the onboard device that u have doubled like video and sound the
reboot... that what i did.... cant guarantee that this can work buy just
give it a try ...


have u checked the bios f the agp onboard s still enabled?? well
jus check but usually the bios automatically disable it if it detects a
pci video card tucked in ... keep me posted !!!

fdhdfuh yhdetjudt Feb 14, 2003, 05:29pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I think I may have found a solution if any of you have conflicts/sharing problems and the same IRQ is used for soundcard and videocard... you must disable ACPI to make it different... and that is risky but go to this site and it will explain all to u...

http://www.tweakersasylum.com/tapages.php?filnavn=Guides/ACPI/...000005.htm

Mox Pearl Feb 16, 2003, 04:21am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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fixed my problem

just got a new psu

works like a charm :Q

Terry Maciw Feb 16, 2003, 07:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GeForce 4 Problem with DirectX.
Hi,
I've fixed my problem I think.
I have a:
P4 2.4 GHz
SiS chipset motherboard 566Mhz memory
512MB
GeForce 4 Ti200
Problem: A number of games including Unreal II (awakening) froze for 5 to 15 seconds and then carried on. Normally once this started happening it got worst and worst. I could not play a complete mission without this happening. It was really P%$$Ing me off.

The event logger always had the same message:
Idle Timeout Error Channel 00000001 source nv

I tried all the Nvidia drivers right back to 28. something. Nothing worked.
I have a 400 Watt power supply so I don't think it's that.

Finally, I dropped the FBS for the memory from 133/166 to 133/133 so my memory is not running at 533 MHz like it is supposed too.

After doing this I have just played about 6 Unreal II missions without a hitch.

I have also bench marked it with 3DMark 2001Se.
Score before 10500
Score after 9800
So I've lost some speed but at least it's stable (or appears to be)

Hope that may help someone.

Kevin Durler Feb 17, 2003, 09:59am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I would just like to say to everyone here who goes out and spends money buying new devices to get your video card to work very stupid. 1 there are other video cards out there like ATI, which the newest high-end card blows nVIDIA high-end card away. And as for people who think that changing there PSU to anything higher than 350 Watt well that is very stupid also. I am sure that if you try anyone on the resolutions here your problem will be fixed. Oh by the way most of you have stated you tried them all but let me say you must reinstall your O/S after trying each resolution posted here in most cases. Please people don't be lazy sorry this may take some time out of your day but at least it is time not money. You all can find the basic resolution to each of your problem by doing some basic trouble shooting and if you can not do that well I guess you should buy a book and learn. I come back here everyday and see the same crap. Read the DAMN THREAD") before posting the same problem. If you see the same problem up there why post it again. WAKE UP PEOPLE")

ivandaman Feb 17, 2003, 12:03pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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well instead of makin comments that wont even help out why dont u
just shut up if you aint helpin out ?? RIGHT?!?! this thread was supposed
to help not entertain jerks like you who thinks he knows everythin but cant
even post a good solution that would help everybody in here !!! wata loser
if reinstalling the o/s u think would bt the soluiton well.. ur dead wrong!!!

ivandaman Feb 17, 2003, 12:06pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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oh yeah and if you think i would need a dictionary ??? well
using the word hermaphrodite certainly need to know what it means
wat jerk off!! loser dont even bother to post here again ur not heplin out
anyways !!!

Tiago Paulino Feb 17, 2003, 12:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I can't enable my agp, in dxdiag show me that is not available, whats appen. In my bios the agp is set to 4x mode but in windows xp appear like agp (pci mode) what's this? This reduce my system performance???
Who can i enable my agp aceleration... this is really strange please help me...I have only 7100 score in 3dmark2001se.
Asus P4Pe
P4 2.4 Ghz
Geforce4 Ti4200
512DDR
S.B Live.......

Kevin Durler Feb 17, 2003, 02:08pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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A Note To All Here ivandaman first of all I have helped many people with this problem and also provide many resolutions for all types of problems caused by nVIDIA and have recieved email from these people. Therefore you do not belong here. ivandaman resolution is buy a new PC well that is an option to all here but just to get a cheap video card to work LOL. Let me list the basic steps of trouble shooting for you all and save you some money.

1.) Print this entire thread out.
2.) Then backup any important information on your PC.
3.) Download the latest drivers for all your devices in your PC
4.) Create a boot disk make sure you copy FDISK.EXE, FORMAT.COM, SYS.COM.
5.) Reboot and Boot From Your Boot Disk You Created. (Check your BIOS sure you boot from floppy>)
6.) FDISK your c:\ drive
7.) Format C:\
8.) Shutdown Your Computer
9.) Open up Your Computer Remove All Cards from Your motherboard except your Video Card.
*Note: For Trouble Shooting Purposes only leave your case open.
10.) Turn on your PC (Go back into your BIOS and set Boot to CD-ROM. (shutdown)
11.) Place your O/S Disk in your CD-ROM (Reinstall)
12.) Once O/S Is Loaded (Load Updated Video Card Drivers.
13.) Now Load The Game You Are Having Problems With.
14.) Run The Game (If The Game Works Fine Then Shutdown if not go to “a.” follow the instructions)
15.) Put in the sound card.
16.) Turn On PC
17.) Once PC is up make sure the game still works
18.) Load Updated Sound Drivers (Reboot)
19.) Try Playing the Game (If game works then shutdown)
20.) Add another card if you have more but just one at a time. keep checking that the game still works before adding new hardware and software drivers.
a.) Display Properties
1.) Set Resolution for both Video and Monitor To 60hz(Windows 2000 - Windows XP)
Advanced Command Button The Adapter Tab and Set Refresh
Refresh Rate To Adapter Default if That Does Not Work Try
Setting it to 60hz.
Reason Why Please Read Article Read here
http://www.technologyvault.co.uk/geforce/all_print2.php?prog=g...mp;lang=en or
http://pc.ign.com/mail/2002-07-18.html lots of good information on trouble shooting
nVIDIA’s problems.

Now that is how you trouble shoot this problem or any problem before you go out spending money or removing your motherboard or PSU this is basic trouble shooting. Now ivandaman is concerned you have no input here and as far as a loser I am far from that but you need to look in the mirror. To everyone else before listening to a**holes like ivandaman try this first. Have A Great Day.

Wise up Bitch Boy ( ivandaman )

Scott Buron Feb 17, 2003, 08:17pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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LOL .... Bitchboy, I'm gunna have to remember that one... lol

Here Here.

Dies Irae Feb 17, 2003, 08:31pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ok guys, an update of my problem.

As i wrote in a previous post, I have tried all the recomendations. except one. downclock the FSB. and well I can tell from 1 week of intensive gamming the problem is out.

BUT!. Why I buy a shinny new Athlon XP 2000+, if only i can use it at 1250 mhz. only a little more performance from my missed P!!! 866.

And that take me to one point.. Does anyone have problems with a nforce chipset?. i really consider buying a new mainboard with that chipset.

VIA... burn in hell!.

Caveman017 Feb 17, 2003, 10:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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NO i have an Asus A7V333 (VIA KT333) and i got the newest VIA 4in1 Drivers from http://www.viaarena.com it works fine under windows xp with my GF4 MX440 download these drivers along with nvidias latest, IT WORKS!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Brandon G.

~~I'd like to think about myself as a very advanced computer technician but it wont happen till i get a job:)
Caveman017 Feb 17, 2003, 10:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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heres the shortcut from the Drivers section of the Via Arena site VIA 4in1 Drivers 4.45 (december 2002) http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/4in1/VIAHyperion4in1445v.exe

Sincerely,
Brandon G.

~~I'd like to think about myself as a very advanced computer technician but it wont happen till i get a job:)
Dies Irae Feb 18, 2003, 03:11am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Brandon, if you read my previous posts i have done all the recomendations. included the hyperion, latency patch, downclock the core of the gpu, etc. and still crashes in some games (UT2003, Nvidia chamaleon demo, NFS6, NFS5, and even Starcraft (no one problem in warcraft3) and others).

But when i downclock de front side bus (FSB) from 133 to 100 the problem gone.

I make tests downclocking the agp/pci bus, and the memory module bus but don't have the same effect.

I really hate to downclock the FSB, lmakes my processor more like a older one, than the real performance that AMD can bring.

Again.. VIA burn in hell!.

Nforce2 here i go... or Intel P4.. (the real last option)


Kevin Durler Feb 18, 2003, 08:49am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I would Just Like To State That AMD Is Way Better Than Intel. You Can Take That Sticker Of The Front Of Your Intel BOX You Know The One That Says "Intel Inside" And Place It On The Front Of All Trash Cans Because That Is Where Intel Belongs In The Trash. I have Been Running AMD Since The 386 Days And Would Never Run Anything Else The AMD XP Chips Out Perform Intel And Cost Less. Intel Is Like Nike You Pay For The Name (STOCKS). Do Some Research And You Will See That AMD Is The Best Chip Out There. I Bet No One Here Know That AMD Used To Sub Contracted By Intel To Make Their Flash And Semi-Conductors For All Intel Boards And IBM Boards. If It Was Not For AMD Intel Nor Would IBM Would Not Be Were They Are Today. As Far As VIA Is Concerned They Have Been A Big Player Since The 8080 Family Therefore It Is Not VIA's Fault Either. If You Want To Blame Somebody Blame The Programmers That Write The Drivers For The nVIDIA And ATI, Sound, Motherboards, Etc.

Dies Irae Feb 18, 2003, 09:19pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Kevin, I can blame VIA, because the problem is with VIA not AMD chipsets not NVIDA chipset, VIA chipsets. in my particular problem the KT400.

I agree with you, AMD processors are best technological and in price ( except the temperatures that can reach the AMD processors, i preffer the 20°C of Intel).

Some time ago, intel 845 chipset have a problem with Gforce cards and in short time Intel put a patch for the problem.

I only ask VIA to do the same.

I know that is impossible wrote a driver that matches ALL the possible hardware configurations. That's the reazon for the patches.

Kevin Durler Feb 18, 2003, 11:28pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Dies Irae,
If you read all the forums out there that are based on the nVIDIA problem you will see that this problem occurs not only with the VIA chip set but the AMD and Intel also. As far as the drivers being wrote they should be compatible with all chip set especially Intel and VIA. Everyone wants to blame something but 99 percent of the time it is software that is the problem not hardware. I have a VIA Chip Set and I had no problem in Windows XP but in Windows 98 I had black screening, rebooting after 5 – 10 minutes of game play. I am A+ Certified and I have researched this problem by putting in 50 hours of trouble shooting and found it is software and nVIDIA refresh rate related. So I have to disagree with you on VIA being the problem or AMD. I have a KT133 chip set and if you search the forums and the web you will see they are notorious for there problems but like I said above it is software related and with VIA I blame Microsoft VIA chip set have been here since the beginning of time before Intel and AMD therefore Microsoft should be able to write there O/S’s to work with VIA, Intel or AMD. So if you want to write a complaint send it to Microsoft.

Dies Irae Feb 19, 2003, 12:24am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Kevin, first i must say thanks for replying, but i don't agree with you.

At this time i have testing posible configurations on 7 diferent computers, with 7 diferent graphic cards.

basic specs for the pc's:

Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz Mb: Intel 845 (DDR)
Pentium 3 1 Ghz Mb: Intel 815EEAA2 (PC133)
Duron 1.2Ghz, Mb: Asus KT333 (DDR)
AthlonXP 1900+ Mb: Asus Nforce (DDR)
Pentium 4 2.0 Ghz MB: Gigabyte Sis 645 Chipset (DDR)
Athlon XP 2000+ MB: Gigabyte KT400 (DDR)
Celeron 1800 MB: PCCHIPS Sis 645DX (PC133)

The Graphic Cards are:
Jaton Geforce 4 MX440 64MB (AGP 4x)
EVGA Geforce 4 TI4600 128MB (AGP 8x)
Albatron Geforce 2 MX400 64MB (AGP 4x)
Pine Sis 305 32MB (AGP 4x)
Power Color RAEDON VE 7000 64MB (AGP 4x)
Gigabyte ATi Radeon 9500 64MB
Gigabyte ATI RAedon 8500 (64MB)

And, until this moment the results are:
AMD VIA Chipsets with Gforce Cards: Crashes. (more stable with the Albatron Geforce 2 but if you put some intensive adjustments WindowsXP crashes)
AMD VIA, Raedon & Sis: One crash in RTCW with the 8500 in the AthlonXP 200+ but ajusting the refresh rate i get fixed that issue.

Intel's: One crash in NFS 5 with the Sis 305, some refresh rate problems with the ATI's, and the EVGA Geforce.

Sis chipsets, Various crashes with the Raedon's less with the Gforce's and none with the sis.

Nforce: stability 100% with all Graphic cards.

I need to do more tests for get a conclusion. but i only have those pc's in the weekends. and i must said that i don't have tested ALL the possible configurations and all the games, when i have done that i post here the results.


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