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  Re: Notebook power saving, it is not just about the hardware 
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George King Dec 09, 2004, 01:04pm EST Report Abuse
well u bring up some good points sander but from my own personal experience as a computer salesman the only thing i can say is that REGULAR PEOPLE ARE STUPID... honestly i would say that the vast majority of people would not know how to install software this goes by the fact that my store does over 500 software installs a month and i would probably guess that bout 90percent of our customers have no idea what they are doing on the computer... i also think that computer companies realize this and load all the software to try to avoid those stupid customers who will call them every 5 min to ask how to install the applications (i know i get these all the time but i just tell them that my store does not support software and to call the software manufacturer)

keep this in mind i have seen an entire slew of computer comming down the hp and compaq product lines that come w/a windows xp disk and then drivers/applications on a separate set of cd's so if u choose to u can reformat the computer without having to buy a new liscence... and then only install the drivers/apps. that you need all of the hp ZV,ZD and the compaq R series notebooks come w/ this instead of a "recover" cd now

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Michael A. Dec 09, 2004, 03:36pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: Notebook power saving, it is not just about the hardware
You do bring up some good points in your article, Sander, but as George states, you must remember that the manufacturers are targeting their laptops mostly to the computer illiterate which a large majority of don't even know how to install software. All the junk that comes on OEM computers, laptops especially, has caused me to form my policy of formatting and reinstalling a fresh copy of Windows on any new machine I get from an OEM manufacturer. Who needs all that extra junk anyway?

Michael A.
Ken Clarke Dec 09, 2004, 03:49pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: Notebook power saving, it is not just about the hardware
I think what Sander was proposing was user friendly software that would detect when the PC was set to run from battery power and would then switch off un-necessary apps.

Like sander said, when you're not on a network why waste clock cycles running a virus scanner and firewall? Sure, idiots could import viruses on flash sticks or floppies but the firewall is completely unnecessary.

Half the things in my system tray could be removed without affecting my PC usage... I don't think my GF would even notice the removal they're used so rarely.

Anyway, us computer literate folks can shut these things down now to save battery life, hopefully in the future software manufacturers will allow Joe Shmo to do likewise.

Michael A. Dec 09, 2004, 04:02pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: Notebook power saving, it is not just about the hardware
Sander's comment about the system tray was totally accurate. I hate stuff in my tray. I can't even stand to look at it. The only things in my tray are one icon for my antivirus, one for my firewall, and my sound settings. I hate how IM programs and Steam insist one being in the tray. Things sitting in the tray eat resources while not being used. It's totally wasteful and in my opinion programmers should rethink the concept of tray applications. Although many applications let you disable the tray setting many do not and still others continue to run in the background leaving no way to close them but the Task Manager. Again, the whole idea needs to be rethought out.

Michael A.
Brendan Falvey Dec 09, 2004, 04:29pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: Notebook power saving, it is not just about the hardware
I do make one observation that we all want more grunt and our computers to do more. The suppliers then provide that functionality but how do they determine what is wanted by each individual user. At this point we need to educate the users and the computer is the place to start.

I think Sander has made an important point about the software side. It needs to be more aware of its "environment" as to what is needed and running. There should several processes to manager the resources.

Firstly when the notebook is first switched on by the user, not dealers, that it goes through a workshop session to ascertain the needs of the user such as will you use wireless. If the answer is no then it pigeon holes it and removes it from the startup and loading. Each setup question would advise the user of the need for that process. For example the antivirus software it would be prudent that it would startup and scan and then close. A first time user might need advice from a knowledgable user but it would serve to "educate" users about their computers operation to ensure they better manage them

There would need to be a "wizard" for user to access a change to add and remove the services/drivers/applications at startup so that if the users needs change then role of their computer say a job change. Could be in the advanced startup menu so that the startup process is completely reviewed when there is a change in role.

The computer would only need an improved management service to monitor dynamic changes in the environment such as going on line would trigger a reminder that the AV software is not loaded and/or provide an automtic startup of appropriate supporting applications. Here it would be prudent that AV would load and remain active for the remainer of the session with the nature of beasts about today.

Yes Sander has several valid points the question is do the developer care or are they up to it. Probably yes when you look at the security reminder that pops up if your AV is not up to date on XP.



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