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FordGT90Concept Aug 19, 2007, 05:45pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
ROFL, no. Every year the ants invade. A month or two later, they are gone again but only to be followed by a wave of crickets. During the fall, all the damn lady bugs try to move in. During the winter, it's pretty quiet until the ants return in the summer. That's just the region I live in (surrounded by soy bean/field corn fields).

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Dan Rushton Jul 10, 2008, 05:50pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
Well, when a thread is old it tends to be a sign of a persistent problem. I've been seeing this particular problem for five years so far, across many motherboards (all running windows, *co*incidentally, I have not seen it yet on Mac or Linux, even when I use the same mouse on all these OS's, although to be strictly fair, I haven't had to fix as many Mac's or Linux's as Win's, it's just a statistical thing, although I do get to play with them often), lots of kinds of mice, including the one I'm using now. The mouse pointer travels by itself when the mouse is sitting still, until I move the mouse or something vibrates it. It happens with cheap mice, expensive mice, optical ones (including laser), ball ones, track balls, wireless, and one other kind I can't recall the name of offhand. I have taken them apart and cleaned them as thoroughly as I can, repositioned the sensors and emitters inside, swapped mice with friends, rerouted the wiring from the back of the computer to isolate the mouse cable from all others, and several other activities within my budget. I have also tried with and without speakers connected, with the tower on the desk or on the floor with vibration isolation.
I have posted questions on too many boards to keep track of, and exhausted the patience of many technicians and an engineer or two. One thing I haven't tried yet is the ferrite core, I'll have to dumpster dive a while before I find some more of them. Thank you John Albrich for the suggestion, it makes a lot of sense.

angryhippy Jul 10, 2008, 06:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
I have a mouse pad that holds pictures you can slip in from underneath. The pad is purple and the picture has a white border. I'm using a logitech MX518. I have the mouse moving by itself thing. I checked with logitech and they confirmed what I was seeing. When the light is sitting on a split dark and light area, it moves by itself. If I move it a little, it stops. It doesn't happen that often so it's no biggy. I also get times when the mouse starts moving erratically. That is caused by cat hair getting up inside the laser opening and breaking the beam. A tweezer usually fixes that. Those are my issues, and fixes.

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angryhippy Jul 10, 2008, 06:15pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
Ford. Go to a swap meet and buy some chinese chalk. That s**t WORKS! Just draw a line across the ant trail and the ants are gone within a half hour. Seriously...

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john albrich Jul 10, 2008, 06:22pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
angryhippy said:
...That is caused by cat hair getting up inside the laser opening and breaking the beam....

Damn crazy cats just loooovvve to play with laser beams.

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Every time I go into the den I find a pill bottle, sock, glove or something. My one cat is a thief and pack rat. But it's only ever stuff from my room. That's why I don't use a wireless mouse. :~)

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Dr. Peaceful Jul 10, 2008, 08:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jul 10, 2008, 08:46pm EDT

 
>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
Well, you don't say, I am experiencing the very same mouse behavior described in this thread, just recently. I have no idea, this problem was date all the way back to late 2004 (at least in this thread). And strangely, haven't noticed this thread until now. Then again there are plenty of similar threads around in here, but the ones I remember are all about wireless mouse and/or virus related problems.

So the mouse I have is an el cheapo wired (PS/2) LED mouse. Happens frequent enough, that the mouse pointer will suddenly move to a different location during windows use, and cause erratic mouse movements in games. I have eliminated the following causes.

Eliminated causes:
1) The same problem happenned in 2 PCs, an older one with Win98, and a newer one with WinXP. So it's not because of a particular PC or OS. (Though I haven't test long enough with this mouse in Linux.)
2) Same problem with or without KVM switch. So it's not the KVM.
3) Same problem on or off line. If online, it's from the computer with the most up-to-date virus protection. So it's not something from the network or virus.
4) I don't use mouse pad, but this mouse was used on two different desks surfaces, same problem. So it's not the surface.
5) I cleaned both the lens and LED light surface with alcohol, so it's not cleaniness.
6) Definitely not because of vibration or too much tension on the mouse wire.

Obviously, I can Not rule out John's suggestion of RF interference. I need to find myself some ferrites to experiment with. But what bugs me is that, this only started to happen recently. The mouse was used before with no problem at all.

You see, if it's RF interference, it should be a random event. Why is this happened so frequently, to many people in different geographical locations, to different brands of mouse, and all behave with erie similarity?

Just a thought, can this be a firmware issue with a particular mouse chip?

angryhippy Jul 10, 2008, 08:35pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
It's the aliens Doc. Make yourself a tin foil hat for your mouse! LOL

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Dr. Peaceful Jul 10, 2008, 08:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
LOL, Payton. I just edited my post above, with a new theory.

Sean Haney Dec 06, 2008, 07:19pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
Well, lots of different problems here, but none I've been able to latch onto....some of those who say it's the surface material- mine keeps doing it no matter if I've got the darn thing 6 feet up in the air. What's worse- if I'm using Extended Desktop and it goes to the lower monitor in this mode, it takes me a while before I figure it out. :-)

This has been happening to me for a number of years- and as I can recall, ever since I got my Saitek X52 system, although I can't specifically blame this on it. What I DO know is if I disable the HID-Compliant Mouse (that refers to the Saitek "Magic Mouse"....hummmm) in Device Manager, the problem goes away.

Today I've had it happen to me twice- the frist time it was scrolling horizontally on me, so I went into the Mouse setup and disabled the Horiz scroll. Then the typical vertical problem came about about 6 hours later (after running CCleaner....hummmmm). I then disabled the HID Mouse. I never have the problem after doing this.

Roberto Valle Jan 04, 2009, 10:25am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have to say it's been a while since I've been seeing this problem ocurring on many computers. Recently I bought a fancy HP optical mouse and had the same problem.

What I did was to test my Laptop's Mouse (Small USB one) and the problem is not present anymore. So for those geeks trying to figure out what it is, let me tell you: My conclusion was that a static problem is present when the mouse communicates to your pc using the cable.

USB mice are often powered differently and are not commonly affected by external sources. Even with headsets that are not powered trough USB you will have the same behavior as noise of bad microphone recordings.

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GtoX (capt Guns) Jan 04, 2009, 01:13pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
well i can tell you why it happens, its the cheapness in optical mice.. i have that with all my cheapo mice, theyre very sensitive to vibrations and such... u cant really do anything to remove it, just make sure its on a steady surface, or get a better mouse.. i use a creative gamer mouse which i paid about 30 bucks for, cheaper than most gamer mice yes, but i havent had any of those vibrations from it...

i use 4 different computers with 3 of them using the cheap-o mice.. its not OS, software etc, its just the laser quality of the mouse.. :)

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M J Schwa Jan 12, 2009, 04:21pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have two computers in the same room, both very similar to each other,both with the ASUS K8V motherboards. One of then has the famous "mouse moves by itself" problem, the other one works just fine.I had tried an optical mouse (PS/2) and an optical mouse (USB), I have tried a ball mouse on the PS/2 and a ball mouse on the USB. I put a different hard drive in the machine and did a clean install of Windows XP Home SP2, still same problem. Is this a Motherboard issue and we are all looking at software??If it was a virus using a new, clean hard drive would have eliminated that. The only thing that stayed the same was the hardware platform itself. ASUS K8V deluxe MoBo, 1 1/2 GB Ram, 160GB SATA hard drive (the one I used to reload to try was an IDE drive,so not a SATA problem) Nvidia 256 MB AGP video card, onboard sound and lan, Motorola modem(not used anymore,but did update the drivers just in case) 3200AMD Sempron CPU. This machine is mostly used for surfing the web and pictures.......any help would be greatly appreciated....Thanks MJ

angryhippy Jan 12, 2009, 05:36pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
Different nVidia drivers? Different IRQ? Reflash the BIOS? Different Chipset drivers?

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M J Schwa Jan 13, 2009, 09:04am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
I may have fixed this one.......I went to device manager and uninstalled the PS/2 mouse. Instead of restarting the machine,(which is what I had normally done) I shut the machine off,I then installed a USB add in card and plugged a USB optical mouse into that. Then turned the machine back on,navigated with the keyboard and let the machine find the "new" USB ports then the new mouse. It has been over 12 hours and it is working fine right now...........hip..hip...hooray.....:)

Dr. Peaceful Jan 14, 2009, 10:30am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
Like I said before, this happens across different mobos and OS's (at least Windows ones). So it can not be mobo or OS dependent. My suspicion is the firmware inside the mouse controller chip and/or hardware design of the optical sensor. These cheap mouse manufacturers probably all getting the same chip / optical sensor from the same source. If this source did a poor job in engineering, the same problem can spread across many mice contageously. ;)

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Edited: Jan 14, 2009, 01:29pm EST

 
>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
On another thought... the M$ generic mouse driver hasn't change much from Win95 to Vista. So really doesn't matter what version of Windoz we're using, we're using the same / similar driver!

Most retail packaged mouse, comes with a driver disc, some in floppy. But let me ask, do any of you actually bother to put in the mouse driver from the manufacturer, especially for a cheap mouse? My guess is no, often these driver discs were tossed aside and forgotten. I did the same. So most of us are running completely on generic M$ mouse driver.

It could be that the M$ generic mouse driver is some how not 100% compatible with the mouse's firmware and causing some communication errors, such that windows mis-interpret that the mouse is moving when it's not. So that adds yet another potential cause. This also answers why this mouse problem is observed predominantly in Windoz, although it needs more extensive tests in other OS's (Mac / Linux) to confirm this.

So aside from the obvious: surface, cleaniness, virus, and hardware malfunction, there are three potential root cause of this "mouse move by itself" phenomenon.
1. Inferior engineering in mouse hardware, especially in controller chip and optical sensor.
2. Incompatibility of M$ generic mouse driver with firmware of mouse.
3. RF interference.


I need a survey here, which one of these 3 do you think it's more likely?

Michael C Jan 14, 2009, 01:23pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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My old MX510 used to move by itself while sitting there, it broke shortly after. I bought a MX518 and have no problems though!

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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
My mouse pad has dark and light areas. When the beam is sitting on a demarcation line, it moves by itself. Always has. Got the explanation directly from Logitech. MX518

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Michael C Jan 14, 2009, 05:11pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: My mouse moves... by itself.
That explains it. I have a Razer destructor pad so my troubles are over :)

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