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Michael A. Jan 03, 2005, 11:49pm EST Report Abuse
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No problem, Robert.

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starfox x Jan 04, 2005, 07:28am EST Report Abuse
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Such a heated debate! wow....

All I would like to say is please put your hand into your pockets and give money to the organisations that are helping out with this diaster.

Uk ppl: http://www.dec.org.uk

Rest of world: http://www.google.com/tsunami_relief.html

Please help the needed.


Thermalfreak Jan 04, 2005, 08:14am EST Report Abuse
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Well sorry bout that but i couldnt help it when people called me a biased singaporean (im not even singaporean in the first place) and all of a sudden and a US hater when im trying to defend some peace loving countries that cant do anything...

In any case orignally revisited the thread cuz it seems like Bill clintons making some of his speaches to try and promote americans themselves to donate physical aid and funds straight to those in need still...now Thats the way to go! I hope Bush is taking some notes down

as for me i aint reaching into my pockets anymore....just the storeroom! tons of food, clothing, medical supplies etc. is being collected packed and sent to the places that needs it the most....It s hard to belive that theres reports still of places that havnt recieved any aid or help ever since the Tsunami and some organisations still wat to stand back and "plan and co-ordinate" aid....

Ive snapped:
An xbox360 and a 12" iBook....
And a kawasaki er-6n to mod instead
Wolfen Jan 04, 2005, 02:08pm EST Report Abuse
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Amazing Thermalfreak!

Did you know it was Bush (43) that called together Clinton and Bush (41) together to help organize support and aid of the American People? Clinton has a gift for communication on a simple emotional level and I support his words motivating any and all Americans to give, and give till it hurts.

ThermalFreak, you are biased! We all are biased it is human. You just don't like us defining what your bias seems to be. You speak as if you are a USA Hater, or at a minimum an Uninformed person with respect to the details concerning the USA. So, the basic observation is that you are negatively biased against the USA. I do not care what country you are from, where you live or any of those details. You just don't seem to be able to see the positive in what the USA is doing for the damaged areas or anything positive in what we do anywhere. Sad to have such a blind spot really, I just wish glasses to fix such a problem.

As for "peace" loving countries being able to do "nothing". It is an extremely weak argument to say that if one is peace loving that they are helpless or able to do anything. Peace loving countries have to defend their hard earned peace often. Look at WWII for example. One cannot say that fighting NAZI Germany or the Japanese was not a peace loving action. Yes, it was a war, a really bloody war, but the outcome was worth more to world peace than the alternative of having NAZI Germany in control of all of Europe or Japan owning all of China and the Asian areas of the world. Did the end result end up in peace? No, humans are flawed and peace is a long time in coming. Look at the events leading up to WWII. Ignoring the danger just allows the danger to grow and the odds of defeating that threat get worse and the damage caused in defeating that danger is likely massive. It is like not cutting cancer out and treating it in time.

Fighting terrorism is yet another example of fighting for peace. It truly sucks that we have to fight for freedom, but there are many which fear "freedom" and "free expression" and suppress others with all means at hand, including the use of terrorism.

As for dealing with the horrible Tsunami and the gigantic size of this event and troubles with organizing things please apply some basic math and calculate the area covered by this event, the number of communities that are scattered all over that region, AND the fact that the laws of physics still apply to all of us, even the USA. It takes time to use a limited number of aircraft to fly a massive amount of supplies over a gigantic area and it takes time to figure out where survivors are. They are not in contact with the flights so you have to fly over all the areas on the map and hope that people are there if you do not have good intelligence. India, Australia, Singapore, USA, Japan and a handful of other Air Forces, Navies and such military and also aid organizations are working around the clock and flying countless aid flights to all these regions. I know many people doing this type of work, and the scattered e-mails I get describe the size of this task and the exhaustion of the people doing the work. It would be nice if one could just snap their fingers and get all things to work perfectly, but we are all limited by those evil rules of physics and the reality the people make mistakes even when the best of intentions exist. Things are a LOT better with the existing effort than they would be otherwise.

So please stop complaining and thank all the people doing this impossible job under physically and emotionally draining conditions and pray, or hope, or something nice for those working to reduce the suffering of the Tsunami survivors.

DeafGuy C. Jan 04, 2005, 02:24pm EST Report Abuse
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US SUCK ASSES. They knew that the area hit by tunsamui was seriously damaged and it would take hundreds of millions of dollar ro repair ands**t. But they weren't gonna give 350M until people start cristism them for being so greedy when they first pledge what 20 millions or something? If people didn't complain, do you really think they would give any more than 30 millions dollar? I think not. And as for Iraq war, yea we pretty much went there and have more than a thousand U.S soilder killed for nothing, just for Bush. I strongly argee with Thermefreak on this topic.

Sander Sassen Jan 04, 2005, 02:35pm EST Report Abuse
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Keep it civil people, we're not going to start World War III in our forums now are we?

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The Real Robert Jones Jan 04, 2005, 02:44pm EST Report Abuse
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World War III it is, no one has the right to tell me "US SUCKS ASSES." If they suck so much, then stop trying to use OUR resources for YOUR needs. Donating $350 million to aid is a priviledge, not a right. If you don't like it, then shut up.

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Thermalfreak Jan 05, 2005, 03:16am EST Report Abuse
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Wow im happy about bill clinton making speaches and says bush should take notes no how to make them and im called biased and complaining about what the US is doing? Wtf you guys jus seek out stuff and then turn it aroumnd against yourself....

countries that couldnt do anything: Switzerland during World war 2?.... we were right next to a country that wanted to take over europe....our army is specialised but by far too small even for our size...so there was nothing we could do....instead we threatened to destroy the bridges and tunnels that riddle the country if they invaded making it useless as far as germany was concerned.....switzerlnad couldnt do anything about it but they didnt let it spread because of them and thats the same with all they can do on the war with terror...

p.s. I dont think US doesnt sucks ass.....so dont suddenly accuse me of that either

Ive snapped:
An xbox360 and a 12" iBook....
And a kawasaki er-6n to mod instead
Michael A. Jan 05, 2005, 04:09pm EST Report Abuse
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Carter Sudeith Jan 06, 2005, 01:07am EST Report Abuse
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We're just trying to upstage Japan.

Drive on through! Have a nice day!

Anthony Weaver Jan 06, 2005, 02:01am EST Report Abuse
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as far as the florida hurricane vs. the tsunami, i think the main thing you're forgetting is that florida is a US STATE. of course we're going to spend more money to repair our own country than another country halfway around the world. as calloused as it may sound, any country would do that. your citizens should always come first. also, aiding florida was a US only affair. how many countries do you think gave money to help with that? zero. whereas the tsunami-affected areas are receiving aid from all around the world and will continue receiving it.

Michael A. Jan 06, 2005, 09:38am EST Report Abuse
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Oh I realize that. I was just trying to put the amount of casualties and money spent into perspective.

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Suspended User Jan 10, 2005, 06:00am EST Report Abuse
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the beginning of the end. not only there, but down here in NZ, there are icebergs just 7km offshore, coming up from the south pole, that is unheard of here, global warming is taking its toll

The Real Robert Jones Jan 10, 2005, 11:48am EST Report Abuse
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At least we have one believer of global warming in these forums. Now here in VA were at 70 F degrees for the PAST 2 WEEKS AND AT LEAST ANOTHER TWO WEEKS in the middle of WINTER (when we are usually at 20-30 F degrees!! This is unheard of, ever.

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Ross McFarland Jan 10, 2005, 12:11pm EST Report Abuse
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It's times like this that make me glad I live in good old neutral Scotland ....

All we ever get is rain, which is my favourite weather type; oh s**t wait ... Global Warming + Rain = Raining Herring; something unseen since Red Dwarf

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Wolfen Jan 10, 2005, 01:55pm EST Report Abuse
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Carter Sudeith Jan 10, 2005, 11:39pm EST Report Abuse
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Terrorists only have to break through the crust at Yellowstone and we'll have the largest eruption ever witnessed. 15-quadrillion kilotons of explosives. It's safe to say the terrorists would be striking a major victory with that one.

And it's SO easy!

Brendan Falvey Jan 11, 2005, 12:41am EST Report Abuse
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I have been away and I see that human nature has asserted itself and descended into a slanging match. Apart from some very irritated individuals what has it achieved zip. All government responses were behind the reality and it was several days before the true extent became apparent. to the credit of the western countries they did get a major summit in place and that has now completed with some longer term solutions going forward.

Rather than yelling what how and where what have you done. OK the US was a bit slow but they do have a big beuraucracy to mobilise and over Xmas new year

Interesting to note that the middle east oil states have been rather slow on the aid bit (I would stand corrected here). Yet we have extremists yelling that the christians are coming well if thats the case perhaps the muslim money men in Saudi and iran could loosen their purses to ensure their islamic brothers do not see that christians can be charitable. I dispair of all religions as just another sales team to buy their product

As for global warmin and other disasters I again ask what are our governments doing. Hopefully this is a heeded wakeup call and they start to put contingencies in place

Jason Snyder Jan 19, 2005, 09:24pm EST Report Abuse
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Ok, just to say something here, being "american" does not mean support your president in everything he does, or even like him. Patriotism means love your country. It nowhere says love your current administration(dictator, as my girlfriend puts it) I think that the american government has grown more and more similar to the board of directors of a large company, not the "of the people, for the people" thing it was supposed to be. Thomas Jefferson said, "he who gives up small liberties in the name of security deserves neither liberty or security" Ummm, patriot act? and that's how this administration does it. Patriot act. Clean Air Act. No Child Left behind. bs. they name a plan something that sounds good, and do whatever the hell they want. oh well, sorry for jumping in. I love america, and by america, I mean my neighbors, the land(forests, mountains, rivers, and yes, hippies) and for the most part, people who do not directly harm these things. later


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