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Ryan Tolleson Jan 18, 2005, 07:17pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hey I am a director/editor of films and I am thinking aboout getting a new PC with more power and I was wondering which processor would be better for video editing the Athlon 64 3400+ or Pentium 4.

Thanks Ryan


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PCGEEK Jan 18, 2005, 07:33pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Well if your talking stock speeds A 3200+ will be close to the same as a 3.2 p4E.

3.2E runs 10 to 15C hotter than 3200+

a 3500+ ties or beets anything Pentium has out.

If your wanting to over clock AMD is the only way to go unless you want to bake a cake.

A 3500+ will over clock to a 4100+ on air cool 35c to 50c with a load.

Thats like having a 4.1 GHz P4. WOW think of them temps lol. Burnt turkey any one?

Intel has a full speed 800 MHz FSB
AMD has a 1000 MHz FSB HTT 2000 MHz faster cool runing with less power used.

If you want a cool quite fast PC AMD's 3500+ , 3800+ , 4000+ is un beatable
with cool and quite the fan runs only when needed. normal runing temps for these CPU's is 30C to 41C air cool stock.


Derek Berar Jan 18, 2005, 07:46pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Athlon 64's are as good as it gets right now. I have actually seen benchmarks where the pentium is very slightly faster than the Athlon 64 in certain video editing processes, but by seconds which doesnt amount to anything in my opinion. In most every other benchmark the Athlon 64 owns P4. I don't just mean Athlon 64 and p4 equivalents like for example an athlon 64 3400+ vs 3.4ghz P4. A 3400+ will beat the top P4 in many things. Also I'm assuming you are going to get a socket 754 Athlon 64 comp. Im not sure if you are building it yourself or buying it, but socket 939 is a major improvement over 754. I have an Athlon 64 3500+ which is socket 939. Socket 939 is much faster, has dual channel, and has much more to offer including PCI- Express(btw i have an older 939 mobo w/ out pci-express) I am sure pci-express will be a great feature for video editing computers especially in the future. So I would go Athlon 64 3500+ or higher if I were you. If you are buying a comp check out alienware(expensive btw) or ask around, I'm not sure wat other places have good video editing comps. If your builkding it should be easy! :)

PCGEEK Jan 18, 2005, 07:50pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
nicly said.

Chris G Jan 18, 2005, 07:59pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 01, 2005, 09:14pm EST

 
>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Hey, I just tossed my 3.0E Ghz P4 out the window (literally). It's laying out in the yard somewhere. I couldn't stand the fact that it put out enough heat to where I had to have a portable AC unit in my bedroom. I just built my new system:

AMD Athlon 3500+ (Socket 939 Winchester Core)
Asus A8V Deluxe Mobo
1GB Cheap Ram
XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT AGP 8x

Back when I had the Intel I hated AMD because of their Athlon XP line. I DO NOT LIKE Athlon XP's, they are a POS and whoever made em needs to get beat with a shovel, lol. I thought I would give AMD another chance since the K5 I owned back in the day that sucked (It was top end whenever I got it, lol) since then I have had many Intel pc's. I think Pentium 4 has reached the end of it's road. I did give AMD a chance and bought this chip, of course my Athlon 64 3500+. This thing kills my 3.0E ghz in almost everything and ONLY RUNS AT 2.2GHZ!. The only bad thing about AMD is that AMD processors are slower in math than Intel. But math isn't everything. Anyways, to top it off, I give this AMD chip a 11 out of 10, lol. (EXTREMELY GOOD) because of the technology involved and the performance and price ratio. I am forever an AMD fan now! The only thing good that Intel is producing now is the Dothan Pentium-M which I think is excellent, everything else is a POS that Intel makes in my opinion.

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Brian Stewart Jan 18, 2005, 08:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
It depends.
What time of editing are you going to be doing?

The bulk of your processing time will always be the encoding, and not the filtering.

If you're going to output to standard quality mpeg-2 (for dvds) a P4 will generally be a little faster.
If you're oging to output to HIGH quality mpeg-2 (again, dvds) an Athlon will be faster.
The difference between standard quality and low quality is the settings you use.
I don't know what program yuo're using, but if it's a good one, it usually gives you a lot of different options to balance between speed and quality.

The same goes for DivX encoding.
Low quality modes are faster on a P4, while the highest quality (slowest) modes are faster on the athlon.

In either case, especially with the A64 chips, the P4 lead is very small, and the A64 lead is not too great.

If you're looking for a new system, I'd recommend an A64 3000+ S939, some nice cooling, a good mobo, 1 gig of ram, and whatever other crap you have. Not too expensive, and overclocking on the 3000+ is great.


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Rory Witham Jan 18, 2005, 08:20pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Well speaking for exsperience here after doing video editing on both the P4 and the AMD processors. AMD wins hands down.

I could expslain but I dont really need to, I build computers so I get to see it all. PCI express Is alot better for inputting data that the only thing its good for. there is not a need for SLI its a bit of a waste of money. I'd wait a few years on that front ATI may bring out something good however cost and performance say no!


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Sean B Jan 18, 2005, 08:34pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Wrong... wrong... wrong.

Ever wonder why DVDs are divided into chapters?

Those chapters are each portions of one large file that are broken into sections to be stored and encoded directly to and from volatile memory, also known as RAM.

Thus, the faster the ram, the faster the encoding process.

The benchmarks that show the Pentium 4's beating out Athlon 64's in encoding are done with inclusion of the hard drive.

You take out that element, which happens to be hundreds of times slower than the memory and thousands of times slower than the processor, and guess what? Both processors scream more performance than you could ever dream of.

With that said, we also know the Pentium 4 systems are topping off at theoretical memory bandwidths of 9.6GB/s with 700Mhz DDR2 running in dual channel mode.

The DDR controller in the Athlon 64 doesn't support more than 400Mhz ram... which equates to 6.4GB/s running dual channel mode. Not to mention, it doesn't like to be overclocked, which rules out just getting faster memory and trying to raise the IC's clock.

The Pentium 4 system easily pulls a significant lead of up to half a minute less rendering time PER FRAME.
With other optimizations such as Hyperthreading and SSE3, both of which professional software such as Premiere use, you have an even more significant lead.


My workstation has 16GB of DDR266. I throw the entire file into memory using a temporary ramdrive, and encode it directly to memory. The margin of performance without the hard drive is tremendous, even at 2.4GB/s.

With a Pentium 4 system and just 2GB of DDR500, you're talking about 8.5GB/s of memory bandwidth.

That would kill any AMD based system you put up against it in an encoding/rendering task.

Chris G Jan 18, 2005, 08:35pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Yeah, your right, I think SLI is WAY overpriced. I think it is way overrated. I have another PC running SLI with 2 6600GT's and yeah, it does improve performance, but it's not that much, maybe 50% more. Why spend all the $$ on SLI when a single high-end GPU can run any game flawlessly? instead of buying 2 cards now, wait and save the money for an upgraded one in the future, lol.

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Chris G Jan 18, 2005, 08:39pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Umm. haven't you heard, AMD supports DDR2 right now also!. AMD also has an on-die memory controller and a FSB that blows any Intel's out of the water. The on-die memory controller eliminates the need for a bridge to an external memory controller, which creates a lot of latency. Also, the FSB running at 2Ghz on the latest AMD Athlon 64's provides more throughput to system components. Dude, HT is good, but it's highly overrated. Trust me, I just tossed a 3.0E ghz P4 out the window (literally) which rusted and is laying out there somewhere..........

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60GB 7,200RPM Hard Drive
PCGEEK Jan 18, 2005, 08:41pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
lol didnít think we get far with this before Sean B got in it. Got to admit at least heís constant. Only problem is the world is complaining about the heat problems and the expensive prices. Its all over the web. The impending doom of Intel and its cake bakers. Donít get me wrong I think there still ok for normal home use. But if your serious about your computer experience AMD is spanking Intel into the next year.

Chris G Jan 18, 2005, 08:43pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
WOOHOO!, someone's on my side! :D lol

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Sean B Jan 18, 2005, 08:48pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Oh really? Did they make a special DDR2 memory controller for you?

Look at the architectures. AMD even announced that they won't be supporting DDR2 for a very long time.

The on-die memory controller may help latency, but it does not help bandwidth. Bandwidth is more important in rendering tasks than anything, due to large, set chunks of data... opposed to small dynamic bursts.

Furthermore, I doubt you can percieve the difference between 0ms and 50ms.

Hypertransport provides more throughput to the southbridge on Nforce systems, and the northbridge on Via systems. However, the bandwidth from these components is STILL THE SAME, except for the addition of PCI Express, of course.

It's a concept that merits absolutely no bandwidth increases. It might improve latency, but that only helps gamers and servers... not rendering.

Hyperthreading is not overrated. If you actually understood what the architecture does, you would understand that it not only makes sense, but it provides additional performance.

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Edited: Jan 18, 2005, 08:55pm EST

 
>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
.I think they said they plan on moving to DDR 3 early 2006. would be interesting to test a AMD system with some good DDR ram next to lintels DDR 2. The problem is the Intel 775 cpuís are so weak. Not even close to AMD 64 power and speed. heck i almost bought a LGA775 system with DDR 2. PC club said DONT do that you will sooooooooooooooooooooooo regret it. I asked him why. He said the CPU is not any where near as good. they said the system was over rated and by far there least sold systems

Sean B Jan 18, 2005, 08:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Josh, I don't use Prescotts, however the systems I have built that are based on them are thermally adequate.
They operate at the same temps as my Northies... 34įC.

Furthermore, heat is not a factor for me, I have my workstations and desktops entirely watercooled.


Hardware manufacturers have discussed the option of moving entirely to closed loop liquid cooling.

Gainward shipped an exorbitantly expensive version of their 5950 Ultra with waterblocks cooling the GPU and all of the memory.

Chris G Jan 18, 2005, 08:55pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Heh, I was wrong. Yeah you are right about DDR2. I was thinking about something else. AMD Athlon 64 still has higher memory bandwidth than the P4 :), why do you think that the pentium 4 loses every memory bandwidth benchmark there is?, I will find links, I will post again in like 10 mins. Argue with this.

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512MB DDR2 *533Mhz* Dual Channel
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60GB 7,200RPM Hard Drive
PCGEEK Jan 18, 2005, 08:59pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
I for one dont want to have to use watercooling in order to have a good PC what a pain. Unless you want to get crazy on overclocking there is no need for watercooling on AMD. EVER. all my fans cooling my computer are 20 to 23 DB. i have 3 case fans and 1 CPU fan . its quite and yet so quick. got to love it. dont have to put water cooling in.

Sean B Jan 18, 2005, 09:00pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
The tests that reflect that are using the same type of memory for both systems... which is DDR400.

What they don't tell you is that the Pentium 4 based motherboards unofficially support any speed memory out there.

Hell, my socket 478 Gigabyte Sinxp1394 will clock memory up to 1Ghz... and it has an individual PLL to control it.


The fastest DDR memory out is clocked at 550Mhz(roughly 8.6GB/s) and the fastest DDR2 is clocked at 700Mhz(9.6GB/s).

Sean B Jan 18, 2005, 09:01pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
Josh... I'm running quad Xeons.

I do it for silence, not heat.


And don't tell me quad Xeons don't make me "serious about my computer experience". I'm a video editor and digital artist for god sakes... I work with software that's more expensive than your entire system.

PCGEEK Jan 18, 2005, 09:08pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 18, 2005, 09:11pm EST

 
>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
So i guess i can get 2 AMD Opteron and spank your little intel azz. O thats right the opteron runs cooler and tests faster then intel's.

Face it AMD wins lol

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040927/index.html

Chris G Jan 18, 2005, 09:13pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Athlon 64 or Pentium 4: Video Editing
ROFL, he's right, I think Intel need's to get on the roll and stop being cheap with the 32bit P4's. Intel think's just because they have a higher recognition that they don't have to work as hard now and they think that they can create sucky products and people will not know the difference, they will just see "Intel" and buy it.

Dell Inspiron 9300 *Pentium M @ 2.00Ghz* (17" widescreen with TrueLife)
Sonoma chipset
256MB NVIDIA 6800 Go Graphics (PCI-E)
512MB DDR2 *533Mhz* Dual Channel
Wireless/Bluetooth (A,B and G)
60GB 7,200RPM Hard Drive

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