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reginald peebottom Jan 27, 2005, 04:49pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Shrink used to not burn completed jobs, but now that Shrink can burn finished jobs why would you bother to use decrypter?


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Sean B Jan 27, 2005, 04:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Probably out of force of habit... or the fact that Decrypter's burning process is more matured?


Btw.. nice Stepmom DVD, Sander.

S S Jan 27, 2005, 05:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
I use shrink and dvd decrypter coz I use DVD+R media and when burning I set the booktype setting to DVD so that the DVD+Rs will play in a standalone DVD player. If I use shrink to burn, the movies don't play on the stand alone even If i enable the booktype setting but if I use shrink to shrink and dvd decrypter to burn using the booktype setting then I can play the dvds on stand alone player!






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reginald peebottom Jan 27, 2005, 05:06pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
I suppose, although I've never encountered a problem with the new version (2.3 I think) of Shrink. And Shrink is a little easier to use, as well. Finally, Shrink has some extra options to enhance the quality of the shrink job like the deep analysis option and the error correction settings. I've been amazed at the results it can produce, since often I can't tell the original unshrunk DVD from the more compressed backup particularly if you are careful about what items you cut from the backup job to improve the compression ratio.

reginald peebottom Jan 27, 2005, 05:08pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: +R media
I didn't know that, regarding +R media: I usually use -R. I guess I have been lucky with the + media I have used and the stand alones I play them on.

OCGW Jan 27, 2005, 05:26pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 27, 2005, 05:43pm EST

 
>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Yeah, -R is compatible w/ a wider variety of consumer players

I should know, I am a "recovering pirate"

I use to get waaaaay less returns from peeps whose old players wouldn't play my discs than +R's

+R 80% compatible
-R 90% compatible

ps, My "spoiled butt" has 321 Studios DVD X COPY GOLD

I used to write an image to the HDD once and make multiple copies, just put a new blank disc in the drawer every 5-10 minutes, 1 click and it's burning again

& burn CD's w/ the option "enable simutaneous destinations" to make (2) CD's @ once

point, click, & ship, play a little golf Hehehehehe

But when I used freeware I used DVD decrypter by itself w/out DVD Shrink

OCGW

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carl0s ki Jan 27, 2005, 06:24pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
I dont like this article it has Aiding and Abeding in crime, written all over it
Making Copies so you can lend to friend
Copy= Illegal
Lend to friend a Duplicate= Illegal

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Naturally the same procedures can also be applied to DVDs made ***with DVD camcorders or standalone DVD recorders. For example when ***making a backup of a DVD+RW that has a TV show on it that you want to ***keep for future reference. And naturally nothing is keeping you from making ***multiple copies of that home movie you made and recorded to DVD; now the ***entire family can have their own copy.

If it was only for personal use or based on the above you may escape but this is rediculous.

Sean B Jan 27, 2005, 06:43pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 27, 2005, 06:44pm EST

 
>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Carlos, stop whining.


The MPAA and RIAA have enough collective forces to see that DVD-RW drives are not sold in any area where region 1 players are sold.

The reason they don't, however, is because they know they'll be making money off of the lawsuits on the people they catch.

So, who's more in the wrong here... the person committing the crime or the company who's banking on the fact that they can profit in making it easier for the person to commit the crime?


Not to mention, US piracy is nowhere near Asian piracy. They actually have counterfeit hardware.

OCGW Jan 27, 2005, 06:44pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Whoooa buddy

If you have legally purchased a retail DVD movie it is NOT illegal to loan it to a friend

It is only illegal if you take money for it

OCGW

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OCGW Jan 27, 2005, 06:48pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 27, 2005, 06:53pm EST

 
>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Sean B, they can catch people file sharing because they are doing it online

But how would they catch me selling DVD's (say to friends @ work) I copied on my computer

I stopped doing it, & now just repair, & upgrade comps

OCGW

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Sean B Jan 27, 2005, 06:49pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jan 27, 2005, 06:53pm EST

 
>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
With Blockbuster not charging late fees, people can keep DVDs for up to a month.

If you rent a DVD(such as one that just came out), copy it, and then return it within a 3 day period, they're actually making more money because they can then rent it to someone else.



Edit: Yeah, Region 1 is the US. The MPAA and RIAA only have jurisdiction on going after copywrite violations in the US, unless the issue ends up being big, multi-national piracy.

I'm saying, the MPAA and RIAA have enough power to ban DVD writers in the US, which would end piracy in the only area they're whining about.

OCGW Jan 27, 2005, 06:56pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
I don't know Sean, I think it is just like guns, & drugs, How could they keep them out of the country

I don't see how they could stop you from ordering hardware overseas

IMHO

OCGW

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carl0s ki Jan 27, 2005, 08:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Iīm Whining??? i was just warning

It isnīt illegal to lend your DVD to friend but lending a copy which they may keep is.
Copying DVDīs isnt illegal
but bypassing css is against the DMCA and is illegal

MPAA and RIAA now have some power in Australia under the Free trade agreement
the Australian Copyright laws now odibe by the US copyright laws including DMCA.

I copy my DVDś so i donīt damage them but lending out the copies is a criminal act.
I use DVD shrink and once had to buy a region 1 disc after MGM told me there was no plans to release the movie i wanted in Australia, so i forced it to decrypt on a region 4 DVD rom drive.


and Hiring a DVD and copying is definetly illegal even if you stupidly justify it by saying they make money from it. If you hire it for $3 copy it return it, you will not be renting it a second time wish was a common practise the time of VHS. They lose money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
especially if noone else hires it any time soon and it sits unused on their shelves for periods of time.


I just have a little morals when it comes to movies i lack from Music companies.
A music CD costs me $20-$30 AU production cost $10-40 million
A movie DVD costs me $10-$30 AU production costs vary $10-200million

How can RIAA and music companies possibly charge that much???

carl0s ki Jan 27, 2005, 08:40pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
and Sean B you are definetly poorly Educated in the Matter

RIAA and MPAA do not despite what you believe have the power to ban DVD writers. MP3 players Digital TV.
they tryied and they got stuck with the B class region RPC 4 locking mechanism on all computer DVD driver which allows it to be changed 4 times. imposed DMCA to ban DVD recorders and DVR recordes that can bypass CSS encryption.

They didnīt succeed when VHS and VCR appeared in the Mid 80īs

and piracy is rampid in Asia because tactics and Copyright enforcement in such countries isnt as tight as the US.
It is no way for you to justify your actions.

as for RIAA and MPAA encouraging piracy so they can fine people
have you flipped your lids?? do have any Idea what that would cost you to do?
Legal costs $thousands to track and sue 1 infringer, at the end of which they get a $3000 out of court settlement. Computer Security Experts LAwyers hundreds of Man hours, Mass amounts of Internet accessible systems to launch the attacks on Kazaa network.


not to mention the people they dont catch. who dont buy the product due to the theft.



but they did technically inadvertently encourage using piracy methods to acquire music so they could use it on portable players. AS music companies refused to improve their product.

Movies on VHS lasted 15 years before being upgraded to DVD in 1996 (quality upgrade)
Music Cdīs introduced in 1980 are still used 25 years later and no signs of change.

Ollie T Jan 27, 2005, 08:56pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Draaaagggging the thread back on topic... is it because DVDDecrypter carries out the decryption process more efficiently than Shrink?

I remember back in the day is was always a straight choice between Smart Ripper and DVDDecrypter for that stage of the process :)

carl0s ki Jan 27, 2005, 09:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
I Seriously dont remember why we used to use DVDdecryptor

i just always did.

but i found sometimes DVDshrink refused to copy a DVD if it came to a scratch where as you could set DVDdecryptor to have multiple attempts.

as i said before theres a bruteFORCE key generating option in DVD d that lets you rip wrong region DVDs on dvd rom. :)


they both need Nero installed to burn? if not that was a reason

Ken B Jan 27, 2005, 09:57pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Ollie, is this the CDClone Ollie? Regardless, thanks so much for the information. I had no idea there was that much difference between DVD +/- R. I normally only use DVD+R and have had excellent results with them. Since my burner will burn either one, I guess that from what I am hearing it is wiser to use -R DVDs for duplicating so that a stand alone DVD player can play them. Peace and thanks for the info.

Sander Sassen Jan 28, 2005, 03:37am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
Here's a post to clarify a few things. I'll steer clear of the whole 'copyright' issue for now, as this differences per country and sometimes even per state. One of the questions I've seen raised in this thread is why I use both DVDshrink and DVDdecryptor, and why one application doesn't suffice.

DVDshrink has a very easy to use and intuitive interface, so that even first time users can easily find their way around. Unfortunately it does not include a burning engine, thus relies on a installed DVD/CD burning application to fullfill that roll. Nero could do that, but we've only produced incompatible disks and coasters with Nero thusfar, so DVDdecrypter is the better choice.

DVDdecrypter does have a built in burning engine, and a very capable one I might add, so the combination of these two applications will be all you need to make successful backups of your DVDs. In essence DVDdecrypter can do the same things as DVDshrink does, but it is harder to setup and demands knowledge of a DVDs filestructure etc. Hence we use DVDshrink to edit or decode the DVD to the HD and DVDdecrypter to backup the file. This way around we're using the best of both worlds, and can guarantee a easy-to-use backup solution for you to use.

Sander Sassen
Editor in Chief - Hardware Analysis
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reginald peebottom Jan 28, 2005, 05:25pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
.....ok I am confuzed! :D

I have dvd-decrypter and shrink on my machine (and Nero), but I never run decrypter to burn. Shrink burns it for me....unless you are saying it opens up decrypter automaticallly to burn things for me which I am pretty sure its not doing.

Perhaps the version you are using in the article is old?

reginald peebottom Jan 28, 2005, 05:37pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> I can't resist a good tangent
re: the copyright thing and the comment that the MPAA and RIAA aren't that powerful to prevent hardware from coming out in a region.

I think Carlos you are wrong on that. Certainly they have tried via lawsuits to effectively ban certain pieces of hardware (like the VCR) and failed (thank God), but they have learned and now apply huge pressure to manufacturers to incorporate standards that would prevent copying of their material. Moreover, they want legislation that would make it illegal to sell hardware that they don't approve of in terms of copyright protection in the United States. This is made all the easier thanks to the convergence of hardware and "software" companies (like Sony and its acquisition of Paramount, etc.).

Any lobbying group which can force massive legislative changes to copyright and intellectual property protection on the basis of rather sketchy proof of actual loss and which is clearly not in the best interests of society as a whole without much Congressional resistance is clearly a very powerful group.

I find the whole IP protection system in the U.S. and the way its going a very frightening thing when you consider how dependent we are all becoming on IP just to live day to day. Just imagine all the things that you do on a daily basis that in some way are connected to IP. And that dependence is going to get worse.

Ollie T Jan 28, 2005, 05:37pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Why do you use both Shrink and Decrypter?
reginald (xlnt name by the way) the answer's right here: !

------- Quote Sander Sassen Jan 28, 2005, 03:37 AM -------
...[DVDshrink] does not include a burning engine, thus relies on a installed DVD/CD burning application to fullfill that roll. Nero could do that, but we've only produced incompatible disks and coasters with Nero thusfar...
------- /end -------

Ken:

nup. I'm Ollie T, I know of no such person as CDClone Ollie, but when I find him I shall be sure to let him have a piece of my mind, as it's just plain confusing to have two human beings on Earth called Ollie :P


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