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Cimmerian Freeman Mar 14, 2005, 11:52am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 14, 2005, 12:11pm EST

 
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Hi Cimmerian Freeman,

1, The PSU I am using is a Aspire 500W V1.0 (20pin). It works, but will it in a long run make permanent issues with the motherboard?

>> Well with 20pin PSU I dont think it will make a permanent issues with the motherboard, the worst thing I could think of is stability problem where your system will lockups or freezes (just replace your PSU if this happened)... Since you're using AMD fx53 I would recommend you to upgrade your PSU to native 24 pin (no converter)... BUT keep in mind with 20 pin you're revealing the extra 4 slots open and in long term dust will cover them and eventually might cause electro static and damage your motherboard and other components possibly. I would suggest you get a cover, 24pin converter or native 24 pin PSU to cover them :)

2, is my a temp reading totally acceptable or do I need to make a upgrade as far as concern cooling my CPU down more further?. What is an acceptable temp reading at full load?

Hardware:
Motherboard: A8N-SLI Deluxe : driver 6.39
CPU: AMD fx53 (939pin) : Bios 1006
PSU: Aspire 500W (20pin)
HD: SATA Western Raptor 74gb 10k rpm. x1
Graphic: BFG 6800GT 256mb x1 : driver 71.84
Lite-on DVD
NEC 3100 DVD burner
Belkin Wireless network card.

>> Stock cooling is designed for your CPU... as long as you're not overclocking you shouldn't be worry about your temperature... I think 55C is an acceptable reading temp at full load. I know there are several people who had 70C and still running perfectly...

Whizzz AKA: SLI Scientist@Work Mar 14, 2005, 01:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Jon Doe

RAM problem.

Mike :)

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Mark Hanson

I have two Ultra's, and when I was on an air cooled system I got the same temps.

Mike :)

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Kariage Kun

I'm new to RAID... My question is about RAID 0, it says that with it I can have faster transfer rate and more storage with 2 HD. How fast is the transfer rate?
>>>With 1 GIG of RAM about 130 MB/s
>>>With 2 Gigs 260 MB/s

(is it really boost performance on 3D gaming?
>>>Mostly dependent on your video card GPU and Memory cores.

(how many more points can I accumulate with RAID 0 in 3DMark2005 or 3DMark2003?)
>>>?

(assuming I have 2 HD 80GB and I RAID 0 it will I have 160GB or less?
>>>About 10 Gigs less for two in RAID

and does it display as one HD in windows or still 2 seperate HD?
>>>1 but two in removable device window.

another question is about system performance. I recently tested my system for stability purpose, I ran Nalu demo 6800 ultra for 24 hours (I have 2x Geforce 6600 GT SLI),,, it was smooth on the first time (~40+fps?) then after 20 hours running I noticed it started to get choppy (< 30 fps)... After I finished with my stability test, I restarted my computer and rerun nalu demo and it was smooth again... Then I tried to run 3DMark2005 as usual I got ~6420 points... then I rerun for 2nd time 3DMark2005 and boom the scores dropped to ~6250 points... but when I restart my computer again it went back to the original points. I was wondering if this a normal behaviour for SLI system?
>>>Related to heat, over time. As your card gets hotter it will decrease in points and frame rates..

I was wondering if this the optimal settings for my cooling system? I noticed several people install an intake fan on their case lid would outake will be better?
>>>If you do modify, install the fan intake center to the SLI cards. All fans in the case should be intake, let the power supply fans be the exhaust.

Mike :)



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Edited: Mar 18, 2005, 12:21pm EST

 
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Thanks everybody!

I tried putting together this system essentially "randomly" with less than satifactory results. Luckily I found this thread, and following the excellent FAQ exactly, my system has been working very well. So count me as a success, and again, THANK YOU.

The basics:
A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD 3800+
Enermax EG565P-VE FMA 2.0 SLI 535W
Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPT (2-2-2-5)
eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra PCIe
2 x WD Raptor 36.7GB (RAID 0)
Audigy2 ZS

System is taking whatever I can throw at it in MS Flight Simulator 2004 and laughing at me ( "You better do better that that boy if you want to slow me down" ). Most excellent. All my other sims, with one exception, run great and flawlessly. Very, very happy.

I have but one problem, specific to racing sims by Papyrus, namely Nascar Racing 2003 Season and Grand Prix Legends. In those games, when a replay is shown, sounds will start to distort, framerate plummets, and then I get a BSOD titled machine_check_exception, followed by a reboot. This is 100% reproducible, and does not occur anytime else. I found someone else with the A8N-SLI Deluxe (but w/ a Radeon X700) who has the same problem: http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=196544

When my hardware has such an application-specific problem, what solution (if any) should I be looking for? Is there a good chance it just may never work? I've tried loosening memory timings, all the BIOS from the OEM on, diff. video drivers and rendering options (DirectX and OpenGL), both RAID options, without the sound card in, etc. I'm stumped. Is there any kind of logging utility that could help me narrow down the cause?

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Update 3/17/05 Thanks for the tips Mike, but no joy. It turns out I think I was mistaken, and it is some sort of compatibility issue between the game/mobo/soundcard. Swapped out the Audigy2 ZS for an older Fortissimo II and could not reproduce the BSOD, swapped back in the Audigy could get the crash to happen right away. Audigy2 ZS and Nascar Racing 2003 Season worked fine together in my older system. Oh well. For now I'll swap out the soundcard when I want to play, wait to see if BIOS/driver updates help, and continue to mess withing the game's .ini files to see if I can't find a better workaround.

3/18/05 ...and an obvious thing that I did not do (doh!) was turn down sound hardware acceleration by 2 notches in Windows; now the souncard and mobo and game all love each other very much. Problem solved.

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Lee Butler

>>>If you can get it to work let me know! lol
Turn on load balancing, then start a game to actually see if you are in SLI on DVI2 of card 1.
As far as I know it wont work.

Mike :)

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Alan Feingold

>>>Do you have the card in PCI 2?
>>>Did you try PCI 3?
>>>Did you Disable AC in BIOS.

Mike :)

Chris Giles Mar 14, 2005, 03:33pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi Kariage Kun, Mark W

Let me try to shed some light on your RAID questions. RAID 0 will be almost 2x the speed and almost the total combined disk capacity. It will show as one virtual disk array in everything except the RAID bios/config. I cant imagine it will affect your gaming at all. Perhaps the load time? If you google for it you will find many articles explaining how the different raid levels work etc, and also results of people benchmarking the speed and apps performance.

Following my experience of using RAID on this board (i did RAID10 on the SIL) i'd be cautious setting this up. Here are some things to consider:
- setting up a bootable array (i.e. O/S on the array) makes it harder to do - you need to add in the driver during windows install, and a lot of the doco helpfully assumes you are already running XP and not booting from the array. However, you want raid on the O/S for the benefits!
- following my experience and Mike's recommendation i would get an extra disk (could be small / old) and put this on the IDE or other SATA controller. Install windows on it so you can boot to it and rescue your RAID when it fails.
- the s/w support and doco for the SiL controller is utterly pathetic, i somehow how doubt the NV is much better. I wondered why it didnt affect the price of the mobo much, and i think now i know :) In particular doesnt really cover what to do when anything fails!
- RAID 0 makes you twice as likely to lose your data (if either disk fails you lose *all* the data)

I dont want to sound too -ve; i will be persuing getting it up and running right in a RAID 10 config.

cheers
Chris

Lee Butler Mar 14, 2005, 04:11pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Mike, I did as you suggested and it's working fine. Load blancing turned on in HL2.

yay :)

John Byrd Mar 14, 2005, 04:46pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 14, 2005, 04:51pm EST

 
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Thanks for the tips on the onboard audio. I've yet to test the mobo with XP, but I'm going to be getting on that.

As for the issues with the PSU. I called Asus and they said you have no problem using the 20 - 24 pin adapter as long as the 3.3v rail has at least 28A. So, if you are having issues and you aren't using a 24 pin PSU, the adapter is good to go as long as you have the specs above.

btw - I also tried using another PCI sound card... that also failed.

Mark Hanson Mar 14, 2005, 05:04pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Mike & Kariage Kun,

Thanks for the replies, that makes me feel better about the temps, in that they seem normal, may add a fan directly opposite the air outlet on the 2 cards on the case side exhausting out, the case side here does feel noticably hotter.

Plus I've now got the incentive to put together the water cooling gear I have waiting in a box!

Thanks again :)

Kevin Mayer Mar 14, 2005, 07:23pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I'm running Nvidea Raid Stripping with two drives, but I'm getting nervous that I'm pushing my luck. I understand Raid10 requries four drives. Can you add two drives and have the array rebuilt, or do you have to start from scratch?

Thanks for the advice!

Mark W Mar 14, 2005, 08:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Can anyone verify that the A8N-SLI uses a unified bios with the deluxe version? Thats not what I had heard.

When I say "verify" I mean you own a non-deluxe and have flashed it with the deluxe bios. :)

Also if you could read my post on page 71 regarding sata optical drives if you own one, that would be nice. This forum is huge and the previous post is as good as lost even tho its only on the last page! Hehe.

Whizzz AKA: SLI Scientist@Work Mar 14, 2005, 09:01pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Mark W

Wait for the next version. Although the other Bios's work you will lose overclocking capabilities, and you can flash 1001 to 1004 and back again.

Mike :)

Cimmerian Freeman Mar 14, 2005, 09:32pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Thanks guys for the reply, I appreciate the help.

I'll take a look for a new PSU as soon as possible.


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I wrote:
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I have built a new system based on the Asus A8n SLI - Deluxe. I'm using the harddrives from my old system, both are Maxtor drives, (one 160gb and one 80gb). My problem is, I cannot boot into Windows. I configured it to boot off the 160gb drive, which has a copy of WinXP Pro on it. It brings up the "there was an error booting tell me what to do screen" which has the options of booting with safe mode, safe mode with networking, safe mode with command prompt, last known good configuration, or boot windows normally. I have tried all of these options, but they all fail, and the computer restarts itself. When I do safe mode, the system always restarts during the loading of Mup.sys.

I have tried booting off of my master optical drive (Lite-On DVD+RW) using the ultimate boot cd, the Windows XP disc, and a Knoppix cd, but they all failed to detect the bootable cds. When I chose the cd-drive as the primary boot drive, the boot up process gets to a screen showing IRQ assignments, and then it just idles there.

How can I get my system to boot? I really do not want to have to reformat the drives, because I have valuable data on both of them. Thanks.

Asus A8N SLI - Deluxe
AMD Athlon64 3000+
2 x 512 mb pc3200 Corsair Value Select
ATI Radeon x800 XL
Maxtor 160gb, Maxtor 80gb HDs
Lite-On DVD+RW, Lite-On DVD-ROM
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Mike wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Haaser

>>>Get a new drive, install the OS, then extract your data from those ones by placing them as slave (Burn to DVD etc... )You will not be able to boot from the current drives you have.

Mike
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Thanks Mike, you solved half of my problem. I now know that I have to install a new version of Windows for the hardware to work.

I still have another problem however. I cannot get my motherboard to recognize that I have a boot disk in my optical (DVD+RW, CD-RW) drive. I told the bios to boot from CD-ROM only, but instead of booting, it goes to a screen showing IRQ assignments, and it just idles there. How can I get it to detect that I have a bootable cd in there? I've tried the windows disk, the "uiltimate boot disk" and Knoppix.

Also, is there a way to skip the RAID auto-detect part of the boot? It get's kind of annoying seeing as how I'm not using a RAID setup.

Thanks


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I still have another problem however. I cannot get my motherboard to recognize that I have a boot disk in my optical (DVD+RW, CD-RW) drive. I told the bios to boot from CD-ROM only, but instead of booting, it goes to a screen showing IRQ assignments, and it just idles there. How can I get it to detect that I have a bootable cd in there? I've tried the windows disk, the "uiltimate boot disk" and Knoppix.

Also, is there a way to skip the RAID auto-detect part of the boot? It get's kind of annoying seeing as how I'm not using a RAID setup.
>>>BIOS Main, Enable IDE detection
>>>IDE Master or wherever your DVD is, enter and set to PIO Mode 4 or AUTO, and disable UDMA
>>>Onboard Device Config NVRAid Disable, Disable Sil
>>>Remove BIOS battery and start from scratch worst case scenario, after trying the above.

Mike :)

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Mark Hanson

Thanks for the replies, that makes me feel better about the temps, in that they seem normal, may add a fan directly opposite the air outlet on the 2 cards on the case side exhausting out, the case side here does feel noticably hotter.
>>>Blowing in for the fan! Not exhaust.

Mike :)


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