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Stenborg Jun 08, 2006, 01:46am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I'm afraid the NVidia on-board firewall, or perhaps rather the Windows drivers, are well known to cause all sorts of instabilities and connection problems. They have a great feature set and really help offload the CPU, but the quality control seems painfully poor. NVidia have issued some driver updates, but basic problems have not been corrected yet. Seeing as the NForce 4 is close to two years old and about to be replaced by the NForce 5, my guess is they won't spend any money trying to correct this issue this late in the life span. Find a good software firewall instead. (Agnitum Outpost Pro is a suggestion - I'ts definitely the one I've been most satisfied with yet. And no, I'm not getting paid to say that.)

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I have an A8N-SLI Deluxe though my problem is less related to this board and more to the NF4 chipset.
I had been running two Western Digital 160's with SATA converters on them using the SIL3114 controller has the NF4 controller didn't like the IDE to SATA converters. Anyway I got two Maxtor SATA 300 Maxline III drivers and I had them in RAID 1 formated Dynamic has per instructions. My first question is since I had a problem with the RAID going down and I was unable to recover to easily since I had the drive in dynamic mode, do I really need to be in dynamic or can I use basic? I am running in Basic now but I want to make sure this will not cause problems. My issue with dynamic is that very few(non that I know of) software packages allow you to recover dynamic disks or image them to make an exact copy of one drive onto another so the RAID 1 will work. The one thing I like about the SIL 3114 controller is that it does have hardware imaging built into the chip were the NF4 doesn't. Anyone know if the NF5 allows you to image within the Raid hardware setup? Finally, If I get a third drive so I can go RAID 5 will I need to be formated as a dynamic disk? Can I also have one drive with all the information on it copied across the RAID 5 setup durning setup so I don't loss all my data?
Thanks! :)

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David:

First of all, I've never heard of having to format your drives as dynamic volumes. Who told you to?

The other thing is, I'm not sure what your view is of the relation between RAID and imaging tools. If I read your post correctly, ("...very few(non that I know of) software packages allow you to recover dynamic disks or image them to make an exact copy of one drive onto another so the RAID 1 will work.") you seem to think that support from external imaging software is required for RAID to work - this isn't so. That would make RAID... suck.

The RAID solution provided by NVidia or Silicon Image, a combination of hardware and Windows drivers, provide to the operating system a complete RAID solution. If one disk in a RAID-1 array goes down for some reason, the other disk will continue to work. If you replace the missing disk with a fresh disk (manually or using an available spare disk), your RAID drivers can rebuild the array by copying the contents of the still-working original array member to the new disk. This is all handled by the RAID drivers, regardless of whether you use SI or NVidia RAID. No external imaging software required. When you write to a RAID-1 array, the data is written to both disks. If one disk goes missing, the remaining one will handle all read requests automatically and without any interruption, and you should get a warning from the RAID software that the array is degraded.

Also, I don't see what you mean by "The one thing I like about the SIL 3114 controller is that it does have hardware imaging built into the chip were the NF4 doesn't." What difference are you referring to? Imaging? As far as I'm aware, both solutions do pretty much the same things in hardware as in software. There are more pure hardware RAID solutions, but they're generally found on higher-end add-in RAID cards.

"Anyone know if the NF5 allows you to image within the Raid hardware setup?" Once again, I'm not quite sure what you mean. Imaging? Do you wan't to copy a partition to or from a RAID array? This is generally handled outside the RAID solution itself, except for when you initialize a new RAID array using existing data on one of the array members.

"Finally, If I get a third drive so I can go RAID 5 will I need to be formated as a dynamic disk?" No, dynamic disk and RAID or not are independent of each other.

"Can I also have one drive with all the information on it copied across the RAID 5 setup durning setup so I don't loss all my data?" If you have a RAID-1 array you can migrate this to a RAID-5 array using NVRaid - not so for SI if I remember correctly. It's documented in the manual you know!

Another thing you should be aware of is that the performance of these software RAID-5 solutions is very poor. Write speeds suffer immensly from the CPU-based parity calculations. You might want to consider a hardware RAID solution for this, if it's within your budget, or use RAID-1 instead, which offers the same good protection as long as you can stand sacrificing 50% of the disk space.

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Thanks for the reply!

> First of all, I've never heard of having to format your drives as dynamic volumes. Who told you to?

It was in the instructions for the NF4 raid setup, not the SIL 3114. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't an issue that would force me to use dynamic vs basic. A dynamic disk contains dynamic volumes, such as simple volumes, spanned volumes, striped volumes, mirrored volumes, and RAID-5 volumes. With dynamic storage, you can perform disk and volume management without the need to restart Windows.

To clarify on the imaging question.. In the SIL 3114 controller you set up the RAID 1 and then you can select a source and a destination disk and make a identical image. In the NF4 Raid setup their is no way to do that. What happened to me was one of the disk stopped working for a minute causing the copies to no longer be identical so when I rebooted I had data corruption. One of my drives was still recoverable the other one lost pretty much everything though all the data was the same so since I had one good drive I was okay. It was just a pain, especially since I was formated dynamic to reset setup and actually Windows had to be totally redone still fortunately for me the rest of my data was still there. I guess my issue is then with the NF4 controller I don't know the work around on setup if there is one. I mean if I have one disk that has the data and the other disk doesn't or they aren't the same and I setup the RAID for RAID 1 I will not be able to boot and I will have corruption because I don't have two identical disks. Once you create the Mirror both drives need to be mirrored or you aren't going to boot up. Their might be a trick that I don't know though and I certainly would like to know it. Last I new with the SIL 3114 you were fine just using it's setup to image the two disk but with the NF4 you needed a software package like Acronis True Image which in turn doesn't support imaging of Dynamic volumes. :( Any clarification on that would be appriciated!
Thanks again!
Dave

Stenborg Jun 13, 2006, 07:06am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Are you sure you're not confusing Windows RAID with motherboard-provided RAID now? Windows has functionality for creating RAID-0, 1 and 5 arrays using dynamic volumes, but this is completely separate from the the NForce or SI raid solutions. You have to decide on one to use - either you use for instance NVraid, or you use Windows software RAID - not both at the same time! And by the way, it is possible to do rebuilding, capacity expansion and RAID level migration (1 to 5 for instance) without rebooting when using NVraid.

I looked in the NVraid manual (both v. 2.0 A and v. 3.1) and the only reference to dynamic disks is when you create a partition on a new RAID array in Windows: "Check the disk in the list if you want to make the array a dynamic disk, then click Next." This of course just means that you can make the array into a dynamic disk if you want to, not that you have to.

If you have a RAID-1 array and one of the disks goes down, then you should be alerted to this by the RAID software. If you plug a new disk in (or re-attach a disk that went missing due to cable problems for instance) then the RAID software will rebuild the array for you. No data loss, no imaging tools needed. I don't understand quite how your view differs from this?

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>Are you sure you're not confusing Windows RAID with motherboard-provided RAID now? Windows has functionality for creating RAID-0, 1 and 5 arrays using dynamic volumes, but this is completely separate from the the NForce or SI raid solutions. You have to decide on one to use - either you use for instance NVraid, or you use Windows software RAID - not both at the same time! And by the way, it is possible to do rebuilding, capacity expansion and RAID level migration (1 to 5 for instance) without rebooting when using NVraid.

I was going by what the manual said on that issue. I did think that dynamic was for both hardware and software raid so I guess it is good to know that it is a software only solution. Well actually I was thinking that the NVRaid solution was a part software solution and that was why it needed dynamic. I never used it with the SI RAID solution though. I don't really want to use it with the NVRaid solution either has it is two difficult to recover if there is an issue.
Ironically just today, one of my disks skipped a few times causing the Raid to Degrade again. Once it does that you can't boot up at least not without killing the RAID and going to single disks. If there is a way to have one disk with all your data including your bootable Windows XP installation and another disk that is empty setup in the RAID 1 array and still have everything work and the copying take place after you boot up I would like to know how you do that? I don't have the NVRaidman software that was in the instructions but I don't see how I can setup these disk back into RAID 1 without imaging software. All instructions you get with how to setup the NVRaid assume you are using two empty disk and then installing Windows and everything after you set them up for RAID.
My other concern now is that RAID 5 at least on this motherboard isn't do able unless I want it to operate slow. My understand of the Nvidia 590 MPC is that it allows for RAID 5 and it shouldn't be two slow though I though the SI solution on this A8N-SLI Deluxe board was hardware just without an extra RISC processor so your CPU would do alot of the work at least during the setup process. For that matter I suppose the NF5 solution is the same way. Oh, well I figured RAID 5 gives you a little of everything speed and data protection.
Thanks for the help!




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Haven't you installed the Windows NVraid drivers? You can download them from NVidia. Without the Windows drivers, you don't really have a functioning RAID solution. As I said before, if one disk goes missing temporarily, then it is the job of the RAID software to rebuild the array when the disk returns to the array. This should work completely without the help of anything outside the RAID drivers - otherwise it's not a complete RAID solution! But if you haven't installed the drivers, then this won't work of course.

As to what happens after a RAID-1 array has degraded - you can plug in a new disk (potentially the same one that went missing if the disk itself is good) and tell the NVraid software (while still in Windows - no reboot necessary) to rebuild the array using the "new" disk. This will take quite a long time of course, especially in the case of large disks, but will happen transparently to the user. This should work the same way with the SI software, though I haven't used RAID-1 with that.

So if you already have a Windows installation on a RAID-1 array, there should be no problem. I'm not sure I understand you - are you unsure of how to move an existing Windows installation to a new RAID-1 array? This procedure should work fine:
* Have existing Windows installation on non-RAID disk 1
* Create 1-disk RAID-0 (yes, zero) array on empty disk 2
* Copy the contents of disk 1 to disk 2 using disk imaging software (yes, for this purpose you need it)
* Boot disk 2 and run it for a while just to make sure that it works. Diskcheck and so on.
* Use NVraid software to migrate the RAID-0 array to a RAID-1 array, adding disk 1 to the array. This is described in the NVraid ("Media Shield" ) documentation.

If one of your disks is "skipping" a few times per day causing you to loose data, then something is very wrong, either with the disk, the cabling, the motherboard or the possibly drivers or PSU. You should really investigate this more thoroughly - using RAID-1 doesn't mean that you can ignore these kinds of problems!

As I mentioned, RAID-5 is pretty slow in all software solutions, including RAID cards that don't have a hardware "XOR engine" for calculating the parity, though the speed varies a lot between solutions. Please check benchmarks - there is a bunch of comparisions of software and hardware RAID solutions on hardware-related websites. But if you don't have the need for high write-speeds (video editing and DVD image handling will be frustrating) then software solutions might suit you just fine.

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You can monitor the temperature of the chipset from within Windows (using NVidia Monitor or the control panel in the newest graphics drivers) and see whether it gets significantly hotter than usual. If so, then it's probably time to shut down. If not, then it should be quite safe to continue using the computer, assuming you continue to keep an eye on the temperature.

If you get a new cooler, just make sure that it will fit with your graphics cards installed! I had to do some major surgery on my new heatsink before i could use it with a dual-slot graphics card.

An interim solution would be to get a new fan for the heatsink, if you have one lying around or have money to spend on a temporary solution. Just strap it on in any way. This is not the best solution of course, since the original heatsink is really immensly crappy.

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It's ok... for another year I hope!
Fortunately me and my dad were able to get the fan out quite easily without having to remove the heatsink. Under the sticky label on the back of the fan you can access the fan baring. Cleaned all the dust and put some suitable oil in there and now it's working fine again.

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David Gorton Jun 15, 2006, 03:40am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>Haven't you installed the Windows NVraid drivers?

Yeah, the drivers are installed but the instructions showed a utility kind of like the one that comes with the SI chipset where you can monitor your disks and such. I have no such utility I believe it is called the NVRaidMan utility.

>As to what happens after a RAID-1 array has degraded - you can plug in a new disk (potentially the same one that went missing if the disk itself is good) and tell the NVraid software (while still in Windows - no reboot necessary) to rebuild the array using the "new" disk. This will take quite a long time of course, especially in the case of large disks, but will happen transparently to the user. This should work the same way with the SI software, though I haven't used RAID-1 with that.

Yeah, but when the drive skipped windows locked up and nothing could be done. When I reset the system the Raid was degraded so I reset it via the NVRaid Bios F10. Since one of the disks was no longer identical I couldn't do anything. Windows screwed up and I had to undo the RAID and boot from one disk. If I go back into the NVRAID BIOS and set up both disk for RAID 1, I will not be able to boot up unless both those disks are 100% identical images of each other. My problem is that the NVRaid Bios has no option to recreate the image from a source/destination so I have to use software.With the SI controller that isn't the case though it has a problem creating an image if the source is larger than the destination. I use two identical brand and model disks but for some reason one is always a meg or so larger than the other. :( With a dynamic disk there is no software, with basic no problem, Norton Ghost or Acronis True Image with the second being the better option.

So if you already have a Windows installation on a RAID-1 array, there should be no problem. I'm not sure I understand you - are you unsure of how to move an existing Windows installation to a new RAID-1 array? This procedure should work fine:
* Have existing Windows installation on non-RAID disk 1
* Create 1-disk RAID-0 (yes, zero) array on empty disk 2
* Copy the contents of disk 1 to disk 2 using disk imaging software (yes, for this purpose you need it)
* Boot disk 2 and run it for a while just to make sure that it works. Diskcheck and so on.
* Use NVraid software to migrate the RAID-0 array to a RAID-1 array, adding disk 1 to the array. This is described in the NVraid ("Media Shield" ) documentation.

Thanks for the instructions!

If one of your disks is "skipping" a few times per day causing you to loose data, then something is very wrong, either with the disk, the cabling, the motherboard or the possibly drivers or PSU. You should really investigate this more thoroughly - using RAID-1 doesn't mean that you can ignore these kinds of problems!

Yeah, this is true, I changed the cable and so far it seems fine. I also ran disk checking on both drives and they seem to be okay. Hopefully it was just the cable. I have been told that many Maxtor SATA drives have issues with the A8N-SLI Nvidia SATA ports so hopefully that isn't the case. My PSU is a Ultra 500W X-Connect of which hasn't caused any power issues.

Thanks again for the RAID-5 info! I heard some about that but figured it wasn't that much of a loss in write speed and read speed was still faster than normal one disk setup. :(

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The RAID administration utility should be available on the start menu in this location:
Program Files->Nvidia Corporation->Media Shield->Media Shield
This should be installed together with the drivers. You can download the latest NForce driver package from here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_nf4_winxp32_amd_6.70.html
A couple of notes though:
* Don't install the audio driver and audio utilities. You are better off using the normal Realtek drivers for the ALC850 on the A8N-SLI. Available on their homepage.
* The NVidia firewall is fatally buggy and will likely cause you great pain. Don't install it. In fact, only use the Marvell ethernet interface unless you really need two interfaces.

If Windows locks up (I'm assuming that by this you mean that the computer freezes completely) then how do you know that this is caused by one of your disks? If the computer hangs during a disk write, there may be a risk that data has been written to one but not the other drive (one of the problems with software RAID) and you will have a degraded array when rebooting your computer. Even with a degraded array however, it should be possible to boot and run Windows normally! One disk is usually enough. This is what the vast majority of Windows installations run on after all. :)

It has frequently been reported that Maxtor disks have problems with the NForce chipset. Personally I'm running four Maxtor disks at the moment on my A8N-SLI and haven't had any problems, but considering the number of reports there is probably some truth to this. Newer drive firmware should have less problems, so I would prefer using newer disks or upgrading the firmware on older disks. You should probably contact Maxtor for this, as the firmware updates are not publicly available.

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AMD643800
1GB RAM
WINXPPRO SP1
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A8N SLI deluxe ver 1

My last vidcard driver was a 91.28 BETA
When I turn on my MS Update, it warned me that SP1 will no longer be supported. So I downloaded SP2.
Somewhere along the update, it did something to my vid driver that it would boot my PC. I tried booting back to Safe Mode, but when I do, I do not even reach the desktop. I would just end up with a static lines at the bottom half of my monitor.

Did the beta driver got erased?

Is this solved only by a complete fresh format?

Thanks

Also, looking to upgrade my 6600 GT. I'm interested in the 7900 GT. Does any come with 512 RAM? Are there any in the future? I'm no longer going SLI on this board since I do not forsee getting a wide screen monitor.

Many thanks
Ray

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My PC setup:

- MSI K8N Sli nForce 4 mobo
- 3800+ Athlon 64 XP processor
- ATI Radeon PCI Express 16x X1600
- 1.5GB RAM etc etc
- 200GB SATA HDD

I have the same problem as you guys with the whole nvraid.sys. However, I don't have multiple drives, just one 200GB SATA drive. It just refuses to allow me to install Windows. However, on my CD, there was a "Promise 376/378 driver" for Windows XP. I remember my old MSI board used that to help install Win XP, so I tried using that when it asks "Press F6... etc" - Voila, it worked. I had also turned off all RAID functions in Bios, both Silicon and nVidia RAID.

Only problem I have now is that when I'm on Windows XP desktop, sometimes while doing various things, the pc just restarts for no reason whatsoever, like just restarts without warning (On desktop one second, next second I see the MSI logo cause it had retsrated), bam. Can anyone help with that? Could it be a motherboard problem? The Win XP installation itself? Anyone have experience in this matter?

Would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

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Just curious, Does anyone use the latest drivers off of Nvidia, or the latest from the Asus site.

I was told long ago to use the latest off of the Asus site, even though they are behind Nvidia's releases.

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Did you try replacing the Cmos battery?


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Merc, I read your message to fdgfdg on page 238 about making a bootable floppy with awdflash and the a8nsd016.bin file. I did those steps and it seemed to be working right. I entered in the 'awdflash a8nsd016.bin' command at boot and it brought up the flash tool. It asked me to enter the file name (which was allready in the box) so I hit enter with 'a8nsd016.bin' in the box and the message at the bottom changed to "Please Wait" and kept blinking. I waited for a while and then left it for a bit wondering if it was working right. After about 45 minutes with no change, I reluctlently reset cause I was pretty sure the flashing process never started. Now I'm back in windows.
Do you know what went wrong? I have an a8n32-sli deluxe. I went to the download page for this model, but it seems to be the same files as the a8n fdg had. I'm greatful for any help you can give me.


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