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B_radr Jan 31, 2005, 11:48am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I can imagine how frustrated you were. I had a similar situation in which steam was acting up and I couldn't get it working no matter what I tried. So I uninstalled Steam and my game Counter Strike (the original). I loaded it up and guess what? I didn't remember my login name or old password and the email address for the account was an old cancelled email address. So when it came time for Steam to load up Counter Strike, it kept asking me for my CD-Key and it said it was already registered. I was holding the #@*% CD-key and receipt in my bloody hand. I was very frustrated to say the least. So I had to buy Condition Zero to get my CS fix. Now I have CS-Source but I still hate STEAM. At least their name is indicitive to how they make their customers feel.

P.S. Never have your computer remember login names and passwords and also never have a phone remember phone numbers. You will end up forgetting.


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Sander Sassen Jan 31, 2005, 11:52am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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'At least their name is indicitive to how they make their customers feel'

Haha, funny! Great marketing slogan also; 'Steam, that's how we will make you feel'.

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kyle feste Jan 31, 2005, 01:39pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I think everyone that has had steam has had some kind of prob with it....half the time it wont even load the game...when it does start its rare taht my friends list will work. you have to get a new copy every time you get a new computer or put it on a different computer so you can register a new email addr....for awhile half the games werent showing up...(havnt figured that one out yet...it just started working one day for no reason!) and the first time I installed steam i got this wierd error that said they were working on but they havnt fixed yet...it was a brand new copy of cs and it wouldnt work. I had to go out and buy a new copy of hl instead....sigh
I definitely think it was better off before steam

Chris M Jan 31, 2005, 02:28pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Steam has its bad moments. My opinion of Steam is good. Having to be online doesn't bother me because I am online 24/7. Steam keeps me up to date as well. I would, however, really like them to improve the Friends feature so it works well, just as well as established instant messengers.

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Digital Bullets Jan 31, 2005, 02:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: My opinion about Steam? It simply sucks
so lets say i re-format my system, would i have to buy a new copy of Half Life 2? and i cant reistall it on my pc after i format it?

John Ingram Jan 31, 2005, 02:54pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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And let's not forget folks.....This will grow. The last vestiges of PC gaming. When PC gaming is too small for retail to carry it anymore, so downloading will be the only way left. With god only knows what systems to "protect" the software once on your hardrive! I think history will show that for most PC gamers, the last PC game they played was downloaded not purchased at store.

B_radr Jan 31, 2005, 03:01pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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No you shouldn't have to re-buy the game if you re-install your game and or Steam. Just don't forget your login name, password and email address because your games are tied to that.

Digital Bullets Jan 31, 2005, 03:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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oh yeah, for sure; its common sense. i dont know who would forget a password to an important game like Half Life 2

fraser reid Jan 31, 2005, 04:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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If you got an internet connection then u r lucky......quite a few of my friends don't , and I only have ISDN . It had taken me about 3.5 hours using both ISDN Channels to get steam "autheniticated" and then came the "Updates" !!!!!!!! then after that Igot a blue screen on my PC which after 2 hours of Fu#king about ended up in a "Format c:"....so if you think I am gonna wait another 6 hours to install 1 game you got it wrong !!!!!

then my second point . I played HL2's CS Source on a friends PC that actually has DSL......nothing spectacular there either ....

Was it really worth the 5 year wait ?????

Valve ! Please follow the XP way of authentication so that users can also telephone in if they do not have internet access PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!

Suspended User Jan 31, 2005, 04:25pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Lets stop piracy by creating a f-ing crap program that p**ses people off so much, they just wont bother!...works well to do that...I sometimes wish Steam was in the form off a ant, so I could simply crush it, knowing....that I finally beat it...so far it is about 50-1 to steam

John Middlebrooks Jan 31, 2005, 05:23pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I agree with Fraser Reid, Half Life 2 was not worth the 5 years it took to get out to us Gamers. All of the hype & when you get right down to it, it's not as good as FarCry a game thats really got a lot going for itself with nowhere near the hype. Valve simply overplayed their hand.

Rild Silverlok Jan 31, 2005, 06:17pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>>  Steam: Stonehenge or Cenotaph?
Let's face it the very nature of the steam client/authentification system leaves no doubt that YOU as a consumer do not own the game you just purchased .

Ever .

Frankly I think it is a pathetic and unnecessary measure on valve's part . One which ( hopefully unintentionally ) says : screw the customer, they will pay and play when WE decide they can .

I have purchased a number of these 'online verification only' pieces of software over the years and , sadly, I currently no longer use any of them . It is not because the utilities or programs were not useful or fun , no, instead it is simply the fact that in a span of two years I can go through ( for a variety of reasons ) 4 or 5 mobo's half a dozen HD's and dozens of OS installs ( hd corruption , windows OS bloat/file corruptions , new hardware , etc, etc ) and it can become an onerous (and often time consuming) task to try and re-verify one's right to software use or "ownership" (license) .

That is of course if the company that produced the software is even still running the enabling / verifying servers (good software often falls prey to BAD management( cough *valve* cough)).

I 'own' a reasonably sized collection of pc games ( over 400 ) and am an avid gamer . I like to think of collecting games in the same way I collect books , and that way is this : I will buy books ( and games ) knowing full well that I may not be able to find time to read (play) them right away , but have the knowledge that AT ANY TIME in the future ( even be it 5 or 10 years from now ) I can go to the book shelf and enjoy the fruits of my collection . Often I will pull out an old favorite and re-read ( re-play) it .

The steam ( and others like it ) method of "authentification" robs me of this , and quite frankly I will never under any circumstances purchase HL2 until valves finds a method that is more considerate of the honest gamer /consumer / fan .

Valve would long ago have fallen into the 'who was that again?' catagory if it was not working with and showing a great appreciation for the fan/gaming community . CS is the thing that allowed the bloated carcass of valve to fester long enough to cough out a sequal to HL, and remember CS was NOT an in-house development . Steam will and is alienating people , perhaps this will not affect the level of enthusiasm ( and eventually level of quality) in the mod community .

To re-iterate , under the steam 'management' system YOU and I do not now , nor will we ever actually own what was purchased . The practical upshot of the situation is that you can only play HL2 as long as steam stays in bussiness and keeps authentification servers up (along with the lovely hassles of the steam client in all it's glory).

Personally I would be pretty p**sed if I went to the book shelf to do a little reading at my leisure only to find that the publisher of the book had come to my home and superglued all the pages together .

Thanks Valve for showing the community how much you care

Sander Sassen Jan 31, 2005, 06:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Thanks Rild, that was a very well worded post, I couldn't agree more.

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Avalon Akira Jan 31, 2005, 07:52pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: My opinion about Steam? It simply sucks
I think Steam is awsome! Tell you what! You can play half-life2 and all the games you owned on steam play on any computer has Steam! You simply sign in your account, and click the game icon which you want to play, and the steam will download it for you!!!!!! However you have to register all your cd-key of the games first(on steam). So you dont ready need to copy your game to your new PC. You just need to get steam!

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Digital Bullets Jan 31, 2005, 08:00pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Dope, any mods for Half Life 2 yet?

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>> Re: Re: My opinion about Steam? It simply sucks
I have never had a problem with Steam. IMO, Steam is an ingenious marketing tool, allowing the download of games, at competitive prices, by eliminating the cost of CD's, shipping, etc. It also allow the customer to redownload the games anytime they need to, without worrying that they have lost or damaged their CD. Yea, you must remember your username and password. Gee, you have to remember the same information to post on this site. With CD based games, you must keep up with your CD key, right? How is that different? Steam allows you to automatically update the game, as updates are released, as opposed to waiting in line or paying a download service to download a patch and installing it, only to find that the file which took you an hour to get to and download, was corrupted by packet loss during the download. OK, yea, you have to logon to Steam to validate, so how is that any different from WindowsXP? Mark my words, Steam is the beginning of the future of software distribution.

I think people should spend more time developing their own great ideas, and less time fussing about someone else's. : P

Devan Damm Jan 31, 2005, 08:11pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yeah, if they wanna make any kind of damn profit, they better damn well make it work for us consumers. THE HELL WITH STEAM!

Digital Bullets Jan 31, 2005, 08:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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yeah i doubt they will go bankrupt for this stupid reason and theyll continue to do it

Dale Broadbent Jan 31, 2005, 08:42pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Funny, I had problems with steam. But the hillarious thing is, I play UT2004 all the time and I need neither a CD in the drive nor a login (their latest patch did away with the CD check). Fighting piracy is one thing, but this is ridiculous.

Matt BillyBob Feb 01, 2005, 01:25am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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i think the general concept behind steam is reasonable.......
of course they'eve made a complete mess of the whole thing, but eventually cd's are going to fade and we will have to download all our games. it "may" fight piracy, but it'll make life a royal pain in the ass when all games easily breach 5gigs. having said that, ALOT of ppl still dont have any internet watsoever, let alone the high speed cable u'll need to recieve everything steam throws at u. a pal of mine just unlocked his copy of HL2 with dial up and it took well ova 4 hours. steam shouldnt be introduced for a few years, when cable internet really comes into the majority of houses.

Jason Snyder Feb 01, 2005, 01:46am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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No problems here!


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