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Philip Jespersen Jan 31, 2005, 11:56am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Am considering upgrading to the an Athlon 64...am running a Pentium 4 with RAID on an ASUS board. One thing that irritates me is that I have to use a floppy to install Windows XP in order for the OS to see the RAID controller. Now I just read that to upgrade the BIOS on the latest ASUS SLI board one will also have to use a floppy. Why can't USB memory sticks be used for that these days? How much longer will we have to endure the floppy which has already been driving most of us crazy the last 10 years!


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Kash Jan 31, 2005, 12:54pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
You can't use a memory stick because Windows requires a driver, which WindowsXP has, to use a USB hookup. Floppy drives don't really require drivers.

Sincerely,
Kash

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Victor Hackney Jan 31, 2005, 02:02pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Hallo Philip & Lord Coldfire,
For some years now I have used very few floppies, and in most cases I have used 8cm x 271MB cds. You can use them to store Data etc: , and you can also make START UP disks. These have been used in Germany for many years and are also freely available in the USA. When I saw this post I contacted a friend in Düsseldorf, and he gave me the site in England which has produced software for normal CDs for many years , and has in recent times also marketed Min Dvd & Cds and also the label kits. This firm will be well known to many, "Pressit" labels for CD's..The site is http://www.pressit.com which sells the labels with a free down load to get the 8cm Labels. I know now that the latest site that stock most of the software including wallets is River Pro Audio, at..... sales@riverproaudio.co.uk Catalog on-line is http://www.riverproaudio.co.uk.

I always obtained all mine in Germany, and you can now get them with printable surfaces. and they are used in Germany exstensively for adverising inserts in Magazines.

The beauty of them is you can set your bios to select the CD on start up.., and for those of youngsters :-)) not familiar with your CD Rom drive :-)) , the 8cm section is in the centre of the CD tray. and has been there for many years. 270+MB is quite a lot of space to store a number of various small downloads. Naturally when making a startup disk, you will only use the startup data.

Hope this helps, and it worth experimenting with and that there are no problems with the particular software related to Philips board with Raid , making sure that the cd drive Letter replaces the A:\>.as used in this case.

Kind Regards to all
Take Care
Vic UK



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bossa ritchie Jan 31, 2005, 02:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
A lot of keyboard, gamepads etc etc give you the driver on a floppy disc. so unless companys start giving away USB Sticks you will probally have to keep going with floppys and also you dont have a USB port that works until you put windows in. I use Floppy discs a lot because I am at college they are cheap and easy to carry about and I cant see them totally disapearing for a long while yet.

Kash Jan 31, 2005, 02:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Dude, Victor, that's totally kick ass... But why are you referring me to it? I know you can do it with a CD, but he asked about memory sticks, and I answered.

Sincerely,
Kash

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jmerc Jan 31, 2005, 02:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
The weaning process has already begun.

Use to be a time when a floppy drive was not an option like it is now.
Cd-roms were an option and have now taken the place of the floppy drive when you buy a new pc.

I thought I would never do without a floppy drive, but since my job no longer provided them, I have begun to use mines less and less. Can't bring any work home on floppies anymore so that's that.

Guess the only use I'll have is when I need to boot into dos at home.

I have noticed that much of the hardware that provides a floppy disk for the drivers and such are older products.

Jay

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Victor Hackney Jan 31, 2005, 03:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Hi Lord Coldfire

I am talking about a 8cm floppies , smaller than a floppy and stores 271+ mb if you want to,and can be used on a COMPUTER WITHOUT A FLOPPY drive...that was my point.

I am NOT referring you to in particular ...You and Philip were the only ones on the post at that time, and I usually out of respect, write to those who are showing interest.....I apologise if it offends you, but that was not intended., I know you and probably all know you can do it with a CD, but I was talking about a small compact SUBSTITUTE smaller than Floppy Disk, that can be used on a computer without a floppy drive.


Regards ..to ALL.
Take Care
Victor UK

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Kash Jan 31, 2005, 04:41pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Oooh, ok. I get why you said my name now. Well, thanks for thinking of me anyway! :)

Usually on here, when someone states someone else's name and gives advice, it's a way of correcting them, not a way of actually offering a second way of doing things.

And you started talking about CDs and 8cm floppies. The only knowledge of a small 8cm thing that holds about 270MB of information, is the very very small CDs. I thought that's what you were referring to. And if it is, it's not a floppy. It's a small cd.

Unless of course you're referring to the mini-disc type diskettes. Then I know what you mean.

I don't know who I am anymore... What's my name... Who am I...

Sincerely,
Kash

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bossa ritchie Jan 31, 2005, 05:25pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Floppys are like DOS nobody really uses them but Im at college and all of the lecturers were at some point working out on the field and they always say there has been at least a few times where DOS have saved the day so I dont think they will go soon, after all floppy discs are cheaper than CD's and if you are a company like and your software can fit on a floppy your best option would be to go with the floppy and save a big bundle of cash.

Victor Hackney Jan 31, 2005, 07:55pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Hello Lord Coldfire ,

I am so sorry for the confusion I caused with my typographical error when I wrote 8cm Floppy., I did write it in the original post correctly....that's no excuse... They are 8cm reduced diameter CD's which sit in the centre of a stepped down portion of the CDROM,.the larger section surrounding it is for the normal ones as you already know. The 8cm Discs come on 50 & 100 per spindle and reasonably priced. They bare no relationship to the earlier min cd's

Regarding my original post, I will in future direct my remarks to the original poster, as you so kindly remarked.... It was in no way my intention to insult you in any way, as I have odten admired some of your posts in the past, and your jocularity :-))

Best Wishes & kind regards
Take care
Victor UK





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Philip Jespersen Feb 01, 2005, 09:45am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Dear Victor and Lord,

Sorry that you guys misunderstood one another because of my question about these floppies we simply can't get rid of.

I appreciate the reason why USB memory sticks cant be used at the boot stage (maybe in the future?). I should actually have have written CD in stead. Victor, I couldn't quite figure out how you would manage to make windows look for the RAID files on a CD drive (it wouldn't have to be a small CD would it?) instead of the A drive? That I would like to know, I would gladly sacrifice a blank CD to be able to get rid of my floppy drive (at present in the drawer and only used when XP crashes). Would there be a way to flash the bios doing the same, e.g. getting the downloaded file from Asus on to a CD and go that route? What about making a boot CD with the files on (not that I am very sure how to do that)? And then make it look for the file on the CD instead of the floppy?

Floppies have definitely saved the day in the past (and one can almost get nostalgic thinking about that), but after having bought a tape streamer in the early 90s, a JAS drive in the mid 90s, a CD writer in the late 90s and a DVD writer and memory stick in the 00s I see no reason we still have to even keep our floppy drives....they should be for museums by now!

Best Regards,

Philip

bossa ritchie Feb 01, 2005, 09:53am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
In the end it all comes down to money Floppy Drives are cheap and so are floppy discs, Floppys are good for students and installing RAID and that, maybe if BIOS makers made it so the Motherboard had the drivers needed to install RAID built in it would maybe start to push Floppys out. you can use floppy for a start up disc but nowdays there is a lot of other options out there I have PE Builder which is good because you can run your computer from a disc and you can put all sorts of AV's in and other stuff.

Sean B Feb 01, 2005, 10:08am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Will we ever get rid of the damn floppy disk??
Floppy disks are still reliable and viable forms of storage.

Hitachi and a few other companies actually developed super high density floppies that could hold 1GB and work on all current 3 1/2 drives.

The only problem was write speed, which could never compete with Zip drives.


Newer BIOSes support booting from almost any device connected to the system, including from network and USB devices. The only problem is that not all devices are enumerated with letters that most software interprets, which is usually assigned as "A:" for floppies.

So, it might be possible that you can replace your floppy drive with a USB thumbdrive, but it's always nice to have a floppy around just in case.


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