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.exe Mar 05, 2005, 01:23pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 05, 2005, 01:26pm EST

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I recently built myself a very nice pc:
Asus A8V Deluxe mobo,
two hitachi 80GB HDD's in RAID array (using the VIA RAID controller that's on the mobo)
1 GB RAM (Corsair Value Select)
A CD/DVD Combo
Sapphire Radeon 9600 256MB DDR
AMD Athlon 64 3500+
the problem is that it takes 60+ secs for my pc to boot up Win XP
Is that unusual?--- My older one, with AMD Athlon 2000+ used to take 15 secs, and I'm pretty frustrated. I should mention that after the boot, it is lighning fast, and there are no slow-downs.


ASUS A8N-SLi Deluxe mobo
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ CPU
MSI NX7800GTX GPU
2x 512MB DDR Corsair Value Select RAM
2x 80GB Hitachi HDD's in SATA RAID 0
Thermaltake Xaser Purepower 480W
LITE-ON CD/DVD Combo
Silentmaxx ST-11 Pro
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Harris Walktin Mar 05, 2005, 01:33pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Chceck your BIOS settings. Make sure fast boot is on......make sure seek floppy is off.....make sure your first boot device is the system HDD.... Remove BIOS caching and Video Caching.......Ummm, check connections on all boot devices. Disable the seek other boot devices option (if available)

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.
Mark Robinson Mar 05, 2005, 02:02pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
60 seconds or a bit more aint bad. I cant believe you had a system that bboted up in 15 seconds from a cold start. Basically it does take a bit longer for the system to read the raid setup and then just before windows loads it also has to load drivers and such. On my system I have SCSI so it has to recognize that then in scans the scsi for devices and then list them then after it continues to load and again at windows it takes a bit longer to load windows cause it has to load the drivers and such, this is similiar to what you probally are doiing with the raid setup.

Supermicro X6DA8-G
Antec True 550 EPS12V
Dual Intel 2.8 Xeon's with 800 FSB & EMT64
1 GB 2700 DDR
ATI AIW X600 Pro 256 MB PciExpress
ATI Remote Wonder 2
2 IBM Ultrastar 36XP (LVD) SCSI Hard Drives
WinXP Pro
Steve Vickers Mar 05, 2005, 02:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 05, 2005, 02:06pm EST

 
>> Re: Slow boot time
Oliver...what you need is a simple program put out by MS, it is called "bootvis.msi". This is a great little tool for seeing what is installed during the startup proceedure, what order it is installed, and the best part is it shows exactly how long it takes the program/disk/liberary to load. This program has helped me many a time in figuring out a customers long boot problem. Find the program here....

http://weblogs.asp.net/pleloup/archive/2003/07/22/10375.aspx

good luck.

PS boot time 10 secs.

Asus A8N32-SLI DELUXE MOBO w/AMD 64 4000+ CPU
(2)BFG 7800 GTX OC 256 DDR3 GPU PCI-E
4 Gigs Corsair CMX1024-3500LLPRO
160 Gig Maxtor Diamond SATA 7200 rpm
160 Gig Maxtor Diamond SATA 7200 rpm
2 Dell E193FP 19" LCD's
Memorex DVD/CD R/W
Memorex CD/RW
.exe Mar 05, 2005, 02:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Thanks all, will try all of the above. I sure hope that works!
:)

ASUS A8N-SLi Deluxe mobo
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MSI NX7800GTX GPU
2x 512MB DDR Corsair Value Select RAM
2x 80GB Hitachi HDD's in SATA RAID 0
Thermaltake Xaser Purepower 480W
LITE-ON CD/DVD Combo
Silentmaxx ST-11 Pro
Harris Walktin Mar 05, 2005, 02:46pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 05, 2005, 02:47pm EST

 
>> Re: Slow boot time
Its possible to get speedy boot times. Look at my system specs. On cold start I get to the windows loading screen in 4 seconds (exactly), then i stay n the loadfingscreen for 2 1/2 seconds (exactly) then Im ready to login. After all my system tray icons load, its been close to 20 seconds. I kid you not.

Ofcoarse I have done some extensive tweaking(not overclocking though)

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.
angryhippy Mar 05, 2005, 06:14pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Steve That BootVis link is dead.

http://www.soft32.com/download-BootVis-19687-5.html

Oliver. Any installed startup programs can boot faster if you link them to the prefetch folder. For instance I have Motherboard Monitor 5. If I right click on it in start/all programs and hit properties, then go to the shortcut tab, and look in the target box I see

"C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\MBM5.exe"

Now I add a space at the end and add /prefetch:1 so it now reads

"C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\MBM5.exe" /prefetch:1

That puts the program in the prefetch folder so the XP can find the program faster so it boots quicker.

If you are not on a network but just use it as a home computer, go into administrative tools/services, and disable "Workstation". that will take at least 10 seconds off right there. There are no noticable effects other than the boot times. Also make sure your system is set to boot from the prefetch folder.
1. run "regedit";
2. goto [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters\EnablePrefetcher];
3. Set the value to either 0-Disable, 1-App launch prefetch, 2-Boot Prefetch, 3-Both ("3" is recommended).
4. reboot.

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.exe Mar 05, 2005, 08:29pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Alright.. so I downloaded that bootvis thing, and installed it. Now what? My guess is that i mess with the 'trace' option, and the 'optimize system' under it. Correct? If not, please do tell. Thanks! :)

ASUS A8N-SLi Deluxe mobo
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ CPU
MSI NX7800GTX GPU
2x 512MB DDR Corsair Value Select RAM
2x 80GB Hitachi HDD's in SATA RAID 0
Thermaltake Xaser Purepower 480W
LITE-ON CD/DVD Combo
Silentmaxx ST-11 Pro
.exe Mar 05, 2005, 08:29pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 05, 2005, 09:04pm EST

 
>> Re: Slow boot time
Alright.. so I downloaded that bootvis thing, and installed it. Now what? My guess is that i mess with the 'trace' option, and the 'optimize system' under it. Correct? If not, please do tell. Thanks!

EDIT:
I went into my BIOS, and checked all the settings like the order of the boot devices. They were the way you said they should, so no change there. Thanks anyways, I appreciate the effort :)
Payton: How do I use that prefetch feature to mess with my windows? I mean, the actual OS, not just programms... Is there a difference?

EDIT 2:
Well, I tried that Bootvis, and got a whole bunch of tables showing me stuff, but quite frankly, I have no idea what any of them mean....

ASUS A8N-SLi Deluxe mobo
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ CPU
MSI NX7800GTX GPU
2x 512MB DDR Corsair Value Select RAM
2x 80GB Hitachi HDD's in SATA RAID 0
Thermaltake Xaser Purepower 480W
LITE-ON CD/DVD Combo
Silentmaxx ST-11 Pro
angryhippy Mar 05, 2005, 09:39pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
The graphs are showing you which drivers are taking too long to boot. The program was developed by MS to help developers get their boot time down to around 30-35 seconds. After you do the boot trace, go back to the tool bar hit trace then optimize system. When it reboots, the program will rearrange the file order on the hard drive to optimize the boot time. It will take a few minutes to optimize after it reboots so let it run. I would also suggest that you defrag your drives before you run, or rerun the boot trace. I'll get back to you on prefetch, dinners burning. GTG!

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Me at work: http://tinyurl.com/3nvncb3
My rig! A Blah blah.With a blah blah! SWEET! http://tinyurl.com/4yujmff
Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
i5 3570K 4.6GHz http://snipurl.com/26r3cot
Win7-8 Pro 64bit
Harris Walktin Mar 05, 2005, 09:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Just remember, Microsoft dropped support for BootVis. Reasons unkown.

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
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Steve Vickers Mar 05, 2005, 10:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Thanks for the save there Payton....my bad, shoulda checked it all the way to download, thanks again

Asus A8N32-SLI DELUXE MOBO w/AMD 64 4000+ CPU
(2)BFG 7800 GTX OC 256 DDR3 GPU PCI-E
4 Gigs Corsair CMX1024-3500LLPRO
160 Gig Maxtor Diamond SATA 7200 rpm
160 Gig Maxtor Diamond SATA 7200 rpm
2 Dell E193FP 19" LCD's
Memorex DVD/CD R/W
Memorex CD/RW
angryhippy Mar 06, 2005, 03:24am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Harris. They probably didn't want to admit XP boots slow. And they said it wasn't for end users, and wouldn't improve boot times. So if the program doesn't work, I wonder why they included a fix for it in SP2? Scroll down and see 821581

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811113

It does rearrange boot files on the disk, and it does improve boot times. Though not by a lot. It still is a valuable tool for finding driver causing boot delays.

Get Hippied out!
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Me at work: http://tinyurl.com/3nvncb3
My rig! A Blah blah.With a blah blah! SWEET! http://tinyurl.com/4yujmff
Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
i5 3570K 4.6GHz http://snipurl.com/26r3cot
Win7-8 Pro 64bit
angryhippy Mar 06, 2005, 03:42am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Oliver. The boot delays are caused by startup programs and services. Most people have a bunch of crap on their start up list. Mostly update files for like RealPlayer, QTask, MSWorks Adobe reader, etc. The Prefetch folder just marks programs you visit often. It loads them faster. The benefits of using that prefetch tweak is probably minimal, but in the end it's a combination of a lot of little things together that are gonna help speed up your boot times. If you have any questions about startup programs you can get info on them here.

http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php

For services, there are only a few that need to be set for automatic startup. The services list is in Control panel, classic view, administrative tools. Here is a very good run down on what you need to have set on auto and what you can disable or set to manual. Like Windows help. When you need help you click on the link and it starts up. You don't need to waste the resources having it start automatically everytime you boot. It still comes up when set to manual. Other than Workstation, these are all pretty right on. Check this out.

http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Get Hippied out!
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Me at work: http://tinyurl.com/3nvncb3
My rig! A Blah blah.With a blah blah! SWEET! http://tinyurl.com/4yujmff
Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
i5 3570K 4.6GHz http://snipurl.com/26r3cot
Win7-8 Pro 64bit
Mark Robinson Mar 06, 2005, 09:17am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Payton,
I like the site you mentioned. Got a question. I disabled my security alerts on my computer but the stupid icon keeps coming up in the systray, inside the services.msc what would I set to manual to stop that from coming up, is it the security manager?

Supermicro X6DA8-G
Antec True 550 EPS12V
Dual Intel 2.8 Xeon's with 800 FSB & EMT64
1 GB 2700 DDR
ATI AIW X600 Pro 256 MB PciExpress
ATI Remote Wonder 2
2 IBM Ultrastar 36XP (LVD) SCSI Hard Drives
WinXP Pro
Supreet Virdi Mar 06, 2005, 10:34am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 06, 2005, 10:42am EST

 
>> Re: Slow boot time
Hello Oliver,

Right click on My Computer ---> Device Manager --> Click IDE/ATAPI contollers then right click on Primary IDE Channel-----> click properties--------> then click on Advanced Settings----> Under Device 0 set the Transfer mode to "DMA if Available" and under Device 1 set the "Auto Detection" to "None" and again in Transfer Mode set the "DMA if available" and then click on Secondary IDE Channel and repeat all steps again and then restart your computer.

Remember by doing this you wont able to make any Hard Drive as a slave, u need to click on "Auto Detection" again for Hard Drive in order to make it as Slave Drive.

angryhippy Mar 06, 2005, 03:37pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 06, 2005, 03:45pm EST

 
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Oliver. I'm not sure what you are talking about. Security Alerts? Is that an SP2 thing or AV thing? If it's the little SP2 thing, I think that takes a registry tweak to get rid of it. I just said no to SP2. Far as I can figure it's still buggy. I have manually setup My Computer to show in my Security tab, and use Zone Alarm. SP2 just looks like SDDS to me. Trading SP1 updates in for SP2. When they quit updating SP1 I'll switch.<g>

Found it. Go to Control Panel and open the Security Center (installed by SP2). In the left column, click Change the way Security Center alerts me. Uncheck the boxes for those items for which you don't want to be alerted.

You can turn off all system tray balloon popups by editing the registry. This will kill all the balloons including ones like Found New Hardware etc. if that's what you want. For just Security Alert ones use the one above.

Open your favorite registry editor
In the left pane, navigate to:
HKEY CURRENT USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced.
Right click an empty space in the right pane and select New, then select DWORD value
Right click the new entry and select Rename. Give it the name EnableBalloonTips
Double click the entry and in the Value Data field, give it a hexadecimal value of 0
Close the registry editor
You'll need to log off and log back on before the change takes effect, and the balloons will be disabled only for the current user. If you log onto the computer with a different user account, the balloons will still appear. I don't think you can delete the icon itself. Right click on start, hit properties, go to the taskbar tab, hit customize. Click on security alert icon. Use the drop down to set it to always hide.click OK go back to taskbar tab and check box hide inactive icons. hit apply then OK. You'll get a balloon a few times saying it's hiding your icons, but it eventually quits popping up. You can do that with any of the icons.

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Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
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Win7-8 Pro 64bit
.exe Mar 07, 2005, 02:06pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Well, I have tried almost everything, and nothing thus far has worked. I tried to change that IDE thing, but under secondary, I can't change the Device 1 to DMA... It's just greyed out. I still haven't tried the prefetch stuff, but I will as soon as I get home. I hope that'll work. I do have another question. I know that Windows XP tries to find any new hardware every time it boots up, bt I don't really need this feature, as I'm not going to add anything to my pc in the near future. Is there any way to turn this feature off, and if so, will it affect the boot speed?

ASUS A8N-SLi Deluxe mobo
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ CPU
MSI NX7800GTX GPU
2x 512MB DDR Corsair Value Select RAM
2x 80GB Hitachi HDD's in SATA RAID 0
Thermaltake Xaser Purepower 480W
LITE-ON CD/DVD Combo
Silentmaxx ST-11 Pro
angryhippy Mar 07, 2005, 05:31pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Oliver.On the advanced settings tab in IDE primary channel properties, your hard drives should show Ultra DMA 5 (ATA/100) or 6 (ATA/133 [Maxtor drives]). If they aren't showing them that high, or are showing them in PIO mode,then either your BIOS is not detecting your HD speeds correctly, your chipset drivers are corrupted, you are using a 40 wire 40 pin cable instead of an 80 wire 40 pin cable with an ATA/100 rating, or you have a bad cable. Or there could be a problem with the raid controller. Also the new hardware wizard shouldn't be starting on boot. Is it looking for new hardware everytime, or do you just want to shut it off. If you just want to shut it off, try going to services and set plug and play to manual, and disable the portable media serial number service right below it. If it's looking for new hardware every time, well it shouldn't be, unless you have an attached device with no drivers loaded for it.

Get Hippied out!
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Me at work: http://tinyurl.com/3nvncb3
My rig! A Blah blah.With a blah blah! SWEET! http://tinyurl.com/4yujmff
Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
i5 3570K 4.6GHz http://snipurl.com/26r3cot
Win7-8 Pro 64bit
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>> Re: Slow boot time
Had a "slow boot problem" with an A8V mainboard & one WD200GB (IDE)HDD. It was slow BEFORE the harddrive started to work. The reason was a jumper on the harddrive which made it "slave" - I wonder if there are any SATA drives with jumpers?

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Hey guys!

I have been reading this thread and people has problems with there boot processes! Can anyone help with this one! ::: Before upgrade :::Boot time=MSI kt600 / XP pro --- 25sec from cold start. Upgraded to the Asus A7N8X-E Nforce2 Ultra400 chipset,,,,,, just the board and nothing else. Re-installed XP pro, and whola!-----3 minute lag before the initial Desktop!!!!

The system boots fine through POST and up until it says: loggin into windows,,,,,it pauses for that "GOD FOR SAKING" 3 minute lag----$#@!@##$#@@

I run dual channel samsung memory---and yes,,,, ( I have already flashed the fix in the BIOS ) I have SP1 and did do some reasearch on SP2 to cure the issue as it would only shave a minor 30 secs off. My buddy runs the same board as I do. Anyways, IDE 80G and 160G / 1gig ram / ATI 9700 pro / using onboard sound.

Since I upgraded last year and pulling my hair out from time to time trying to fix this issue, I come to a conclusion, it must be in the core of the chipset. I cannot find a fix nor patch for this issue and as for the driver side, I was so use to VIA before, having to update all the time! Dont know much about Nforce on why they dont update there chipsets but everything else other than the lag, works very good to say the least!!!!

SO! if anyone could put there thinnking caps on and feed me some thoughts,,,,that would be great! lol
If not, I'll just deal with it like I always had............Thanks in advanced guys and gals!


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