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Tim W Mar 05, 2005, 07:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I've been planning to host my own site for a while now, but because I'm more of a software person rather then hardware; I'm stumped by where to begin. I've built my own computer, but never a server before. Is it similar?
Also, what connection speed will I need that'll be best for a server?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Richard Mar 05, 2005, 07:36pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
It all depends on how much traffic you excpect to get.

If it's just a small personal site any old computer will do.

What sort of site is it? and how much traffic do you excpect?


Tim W Mar 05, 2005, 07:50pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
Thanks for the reply Richard.
The site recieves around 300 visitors and on average 450 mb of bandwith per day.

Rory Witham Mar 05, 2005, 08:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
Normal BB will be fine, you could tag it on to your exsiting connection,

dependant on what services you want to run, will depend on the RAM and server software that you want to run.
if its just HTML and PHP, then Id suggest Abyss its small and if you currently have a resonable spec PC you can tag it into the system that your running now.

You should make sure that your 80 port is open and not blocked by your ISP

You can download Abyss here http://www.aprelium.com/ Its very small @ 146Kb, but put a normal page in to the HTDOC folder, then type your IP into your web browser, if you see it then your fine. if you dont then take alook at your firewall, some firewalls will not support the runnning of servers, re check with the firewall down, then if it works you will need to sort out that.

you can run the server on any port you like, just make sure the URL points correctly, as in http://321.343.453:290 will give the URL port 290

if you want to run a higher grade server with posting, secure yada yada ( full commercial and secure to you) website then get hold of apache, there are some pre builds, like foxserv, and Xampp that are great to get you up and running right away, Xampp being the better one.



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Tim W Mar 05, 2005, 08:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
Thanks for the help Rory.
Yes, the website currently uses apache, php and mysql. I'm planning to build a new server from scratch with linux os inst., but what about connection speed?
I'm currently using a 1.5mb ADSL line, it works fine for browsing the net and playing games, but is it enough to run a web server with hundreds of users?

Richard Mar 05, 2005, 08:32pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
Well thats more than a personal site. I'm no expert in this field but this is my opinion:

I would think to be on the safe side you would want some sort of Athlon 2500+ or P4 over 2GHz with about 512 MB RAM and a 7200RPM HDD.

You may be able to get away with less than that, but the above config (especialy the AMD version) is pretty cheap.

Depending on your budget a RAID0 SATA array would be a good thing, especialy if those visitor will all be accsesing the site at the same time.

Are you using Windows or Linux?



*EDIT* your useing Linux, we both posted at the same time.

What flavour of Linux are you using, I'm thinking of setting up a Linux server soon, from what I've read Fedora Core seems like a good bet, any advice?

Tim W Mar 05, 2005, 08:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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The site is currently hosted with linux os. My pc is running windows, but I'd like to use linux when I build the server. Thanks Richard for the hardware tips also.

Tim W Mar 05, 2005, 08:43pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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My host is using freebsd. Personally I think it does the job quite well. I've got a copy of linux red hat which I'll be planning to use.

Rory Witham Mar 05, 2005, 08:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
both abyss and Apache (Xampp) come in linux so there is no issue. I get over 500,000 vistors each month, with some vistors not really hitting the button at the same time, I can JUST getaway with my connection, IT down matter what download speed you have, 1.5MB refers only to the download, you get only 256Mb upload.

You can have another line in then that alot better for holdig the load, but I would think about running it in testmode, on you exsisting, there not alot of traffic so you will get away with it. you stats are 1.7 visitor a hour so you wouldnt notice it.

each opperation uses about 8-15 MB of ram, then add the OS and other software that ou wnat to run.. standard apache is about 240K bits then 80K for SQL, 80K for mail then add your extras and caching space 30 megs say. you will be fine on a low end system, but alway clone the drives so you have a back up..

if you get more people and a hevey load then you could have another line then use a router to conect so that you can use both uploads and download speeds, two 1.5M lines will then give you 3m download and a 512 Upload, ( 512K is what alot of people have as there download) so they wont really notice.:)


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Richard Mar 05, 2005, 08:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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From the web sites belonging to hosts Red Hat seems to be a very popular choice, aparnlty it's not too user friendly, hence my choice of Fedora Core. (but since your a software person this won't be a problem to you).


Tim W Mar 05, 2005, 09:01pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
I'll take everything said into consideration before I purchase anything. Thanks for the help guys.

Harris Walktin Mar 05, 2005, 09:56pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Need help building a web server
Im planning to build a server as well. My site will hold abput 65GB worth of downloadable files.

Dont need a powerfull server. My specs for the server:

CASE ATX ANTEC SLK3700BQE 350W
40.0 W.D 7200 8MB WD400JB
250.0 W.D 7200 8MB WD2500JB
ASUS AGP GF4 V9400GE MX4000 8X 64M
DVD+/-RW LITEON SOHW-1633S DL 16/8 BLK OEM
AMD ATHLON64 3200+ 2.00G/1600/512K/S939
AMD64 S939 MSI 7025 K8N NEO2 PLAT NF3
KINGSTON KVR 400MHZ DDR NO-ECC 1G KIT
CASE FAN 120MM ANTEC SMART VARIABLE
ROUNDED FLOPPY CABLE
ROUNDED IDE CABLE

Itll cost me 1500 tax in CND

You only need higher end servers if you plan n making a P2P type site, program where the scripts and programs must run on the server.

For small personal site, a P3 does the job. EDIT:(eek got to keep my job....uhh a semperon will do as well ;)

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.

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