THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!! I am yet to see anyone post like that. Wow...

I personally don't like microsoft myself, and man you got it covered. Liberals... lol

I am not trying to call anyone a liar, and I am not sure how true most of what you said is, but I do know that Microsoft has some issues that I don't agree with. If Linux ever designed an OS that was compatible with EVERYTHING, I would be a hardcore linux fan, but they don't YET, so I ain't yet. I do like linux though.

Now Kelly (hope I got that right?) You have had no problems, other than the typical problems associated with windows , with your OS??? And would you say that it runs better? I personally would like the opinion of a "user". I am going to upgrade hopefully within the next 3 months to the AMD 64, and would like just a brief comparison on your experiences with windows 64. If it runs faster with no problems, then hey, why not. otherwise, I think i will stick with what I know works.

Thanks.

lmao .. Microsoft is not a "dictatorship", I love it when people say stuff like that. Users have several choices now, but 90% of them "choose" to use MS products, I myself choose to use them too. I also laff when people make statements about the security issues with MS software .. you know why it has some many security issues? Cause it's the most popular that's why.. hackers, virus writters, etc.. don't waste time on other OS's when it might only affect 5-10% of the end users. If Linux was the dominate OS, it would have just as many security wholes, or more, than Windows does. Kinda like the browser Firefox, when it first came out it was so much more secure than IE, but now with it's popularity growing extremely high, low and behold.. look @ all the exploits for it. Someone can "always" find away around software, no matter how secure it is, there will always be a way to exploit it, these people just choose to do it to the software that makes the most sense, which is the one that is most commonly used..

Out of all you peeps bashing x64 Bit XP .. how many of you have "actually" ran it? I bet over half the people here have'nt.. so what are you going by .. others saying it's no good? Try it for yourselves before you cast judgement.. trying to say there is no difference between x64 Bit and 32 Bit .. is like trying to say there is no difference between Win9x and WinXP 32 Bit. Don't go by what others say.. I see so many people post stuff about this OS and they have'nt even tried it .. I see all the time "You're going to have a hardtime finding drivers in x64 Bit" .. wrong! Or "Most software that works on XP 32 Bit will not work on XP x64 Bit" .. wrong! Or "XP x64 Bit is full of bugs" .. wrong! Kinda funny how I don't experience these problems.. I'm still running the last public beta til my official version arrives.. and it runs flawlessly.

Well Brendan, I have covered this ground in another thread, I'll tell you what we came up w/

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38594/

We downloaded Microsoft WMV HDTV clips, my 6800GT w/ NV40 core (no WMV hardware acceleration) did 720p flawlessly w/ my old 2500+, & DDR333 (40-60% cpu utilization), & 1080p w/ (80-90%) cpu utilization (all except for "step into liquid" which made my card stutter)

But that was a few upgrades ago, I think I will run those clips again

The NV41 core 6800GT's, & the 6600GT's do 1080p w/ very little cpu utilization

My socket A mobo (GA-7N400 PRO2 Rev. 2.0) already has Gigabit ethernet, So I have no trouble down loading, or playing HDTV

As a "matter of fact", I plan on buying a 6600GT w/ HDTV out (& WMV hardware acceleration) to put in "Xtreme", & put my 6800GT in my "backup", "RED DRAGON"

Then I will put a HDTV WONDER in "Xtreme", & move my ATI TV WONDER VE to "RED DRAGON"

So, it is my own humble personal opinion that not only is the 64bit OS unnecessary for HDTV (or any other conceivable task), but the "horse power" of a powerful cpu is not necessary for HDTV implemention either

btw I own a JVC 56" HDTV which I game on thru the S-video port @ 1024x768, & the rear projeactor is also fed from a comcast HDTV cable reciever

The standard def vid outs on the cable box feed my ATI TV WONDER VE

Edit: I am not saying that there is AAAAAAAAAAAAANYTHING WRONG w/ 64bit OS, & hardware

I just want to know what I can do w/ a 64bit OS, & hardware, that I am not already doing?

Just a simple question

OCGW

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And once again, stated very true OCGW... I guess that is my main concern too with the 64 bit windows... what can it do that Windows XP 32 can't? Is there really any noticeable performance boost? Is there really anything special about it other than the fact that it is 64bit?

Noone has seemed able to answer those question yet... and if I am going to go spend a bunch of money on an OS, it had better have some good improvements. And I don't think this compares to the win 95 to win 98 upgrade... as far as I am concerned, Win 95 SUCKED... and Win 98 had some great improvements. Some people need to think about their comparisons before actually making them.

And don't even start with that whole security thing with windows and linux... unless you have used linux Kelly, which it sounds like you haven't. LINUX FRICKIN ROCKS!!! It just ain't as compatible as i would like. But it is a lot more solid system than windows ever thought of being. Straight and simple .

But back to subject. Prove to us "doubters" why getting Windows XP 64 bit would be a good investment... then maybe I will think of getting it.

BDUBtubs OUT!!!!

Oh Yeah, NIIICE 3D scores there BDUBTUBS

Reports of socket A's demise have been grossly exagerated

OCGW

PEACE

Hey, gotta stick with what I got right now... HOOAH!!! Requires a frickin house fan to keep comp cool when going for those scores tho...

Here is a good analogy that comes to mind when I think of Win XP 64bit-

It will cost you an arm and a leg to make it work, and all you get in return is a finger's improvement... lol

Now don't go dissin' on that anyone... that was a Bdubtubs original!! Who knows tho, maybe I try it later, when the advantage is more noticeable. But then again, it also helps to have the 64 bit compatible equipment first too... lol Which would be nice... (big breath in)...(sigh)...(dreaming)

When everybody is running the latest, & greatest DiLithium Warp Core CPU's (very expensive), I will be OC'n the crap out of Athlon 64 CPU's all the way to (& past) low-end DLW (DiLithium Warp Core) cpu's LOL

Newegg will be given' them junk A64's away (blue light special) on the back page of their website

Hehehehe hehehe hehehehe

OCGW

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Is that a reference to the infamous "Star Trek"? HOOAH!!!

Now I am sure, at least I hope that a computer with that Dilithium crap would run 64bit... just a thought.

But back to subject....

Yeah.

everything should be a major boost in windows codename long horn.

Hope you are right Airman, I like to see advancements in the field of PC's, but I have this "wait, & see" attitiude for the time being

"Matter of fact" my next computer will be a 64bit, but not because it is 64bit, because it is the best choice for now, w/ 32bit

OCGW

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True that OCGW... that is what I would like... I sure hope Windows Long horn proves to be something great... cause, if microsoft don't make their move soon, Linux will. In fact they already are...

Don't get me wrong, I don't really hate microsoft, I just hate Windows... mostly. If microsoft were a car manufacturer, noone would buy their cars, because they have so many problems. Microsoft has a basic monopoly, so they can afford to make their OS suck, so you have to BUY the upgrade. If a car company tried that, they would lose business, but we really have no other route than microsoft. It is basically microsoft versus no other real competitors, except now that linux is making its move.

Just a thought.

When I read this, it said: "32 replies." If this isn't fate/destiny/irony/etcI just don't know what is. Anyway, I have a AMD3500+ and just can't wait to upgrade, but I know I can't because I can't find 64bit drivers for my Asus A8V Deluxe's Serial ATA. I've always been good at solving problems, finding workaround etc, so I'd hope to jump on the 64bit bandwagon and start testing things. (especially call of duty, css, futuremark, etc. I'm a gamer, and built my rig accordingly.) I happen to know that ATI has 64 bit drivers, althought I don't know if Creative does for my sound card. Other then that, I know I'm covered, because my mobo has 64 and 32 bit drivers on the disc.

(btw, I saw something about if MS made cars, forgot who did it but I still have it.)

If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just love this part):

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times! as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

8. Occasionally,! for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna

9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.

OCGW,
I think the the debate here is not 32bit processor vs. 64bit processor. The real issue is the OS. Considering i recetly purchased an AMD64 for a 20 bill more than the leading 32bit processors out there.

I have been running both OS's and although many can't seem to find any improvements, I would like to say I have come across both Improvement and Drawbacks (I dual Boot)

In general the GUI and some of the system tools of 64 seem faster and smoother.

The big ticket for me is that I like playing first person shooters and those improved noticably as apposed to XP 32bit. Particularly Half-Life 2 and Counterstrike Source (both games run on the same engine)

Also when I multitask Graphic intensive application such as Photoshop CS, Illustrator, and Corel Painter Switching between them has become much smoother for me. Same goes with Audio Sequencing and Audio editing Applications.

Games, Graphic, and Audio programs are probably the most CPU intensive. Particularly in the case of Audio and Graphics because sometimes you have to run more than one program at a time.

The Drawbacks (most of which have all been mentioned here and other places on the internet) are of course for the most part Drivers. For gaming, graphic card manufacturers have done quite well in providing 64bit drivers. So gaming is pretty much OK.

For me particularly the biggest driver problems seem to be in finding drivers for Wireless Lan (and normal networking). There is also a lack of 64bit support for Midi Controllers.

In my case it was worth the 20 dollar investment, Oh yeah.. and my AMD64 came with Half-LIfe 2 , my favorite game so of course that eased my decision. Also BETA testing xp 64 provides me with an OS for at least a year which isn't too bad.

I have to say that microsoft is just setting the field up for priators to mess with this verison of windows because because of longhorn in the process i dont think they took a good insite in the making of the XP64-bit addition.

Yeah, that car comment was me Jon J. Anyways... that was some funny crap. And who in the right mind would want a car that does that... lol

And Marty herrins... OCGW WAS talking about the OS... he, and I, are curious if the goods outway the bads in the 64bit version of windows... he was just stating that he will stick with 32 bit, until some good 64bit comes around... So PLEASE read and UNDERSTAND what people are talking about, BEFORE you start jumping up and down bout somethin...

We are yet to hear someone say that windows 64bit is perfectly risk the arm and leg that it will take to get everything working.

"it will cost you an arm and a leg to make it work, and all you get in return is a finger's improvements"

I like it and I am stickin to it... I still think that microsoft has their heads to far shoved up their a$$ to make anything decent. But that is just me... and my experience.

Suuuuup' Bdubtubs, I had "unsubscribed"

Thx for "gettin' my back", I was a little "misunderstood", but thats OK

That Microsoft/GM analogy was soooo funny

Back on topic, What I am really trying to say is, my system does any, & everything I ask it (believe it, or not) "smoothly"

So, what I am really asking is, what benifits can I expect to gain by upgrading now, rather than waiting

For example: I bought low-end audio, & video equipment, I got a better job, I bought midrange audio, & video equipment, I got a better job, I bought high-end equipment, now I have no reason to buy any more audio, or video equipment until it breaks down, or catches fire LOL

I think I might be there w/ computers also, I don't see a compelling reason to change a thing, unless lightning strikes my house

@ that point I would be starting from a clean slate, & my first decision would be..............

Intel 64bit vs. AMD 64bit (Does this sound familiar?)

btw I just bought a Dell Inspiron 1150 2.8Ghz Laptop (got a great deal on it, used for 1 month by a clergyman)

Say what you want, but this puppy is not "Cool, & Quiet", it is "Cold, & Silent"

OCGW

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Isn't longhorn supposed to be 64 bit anyways??? I think I can wait... maybe that will have the improvements that I am looking for.

I think the idea behind 64bit is the next step in technology as far as computers... I just don't think it will really help that much yet... not until we learn to utilize it properly, like win95 up to win XP 32bit. Took us a while to get to a decent playing field as far as OSes go, but it IS microsoft... what do you expect... I do however like win2000 pro best...up until SP 3 and 4... which really screwed things up... ok, i stop rambling now

I am sure win XP 64 will perform every bit as good, if not better than XP 32, but the question is... how much better, and is it worth the price at this point in time...

I still ain't hearin noone say that it is the greatest thing since the switch from win 95 to win 98, so I think I pass for now.

I'm running both 32-Bit & 64-Bit Windows XP Pro's. Now let me say that the Windows XP 64-Bit feels a little more responsive than the 32-Bit OS. But for the looks of it, it's identical to Win XP Pro.

I am now playing Far Cry 64-Bit & it looks better, it feels faster, but at the same time, it's a little buggy. This is due to ATI's drivers. But all in all, it's better than the 32-Bit Far Cry, but not by much.

Don't matter though, 64-Bit is looking better by the day & Longhorn (I heard) is going to be ONLY 64-Bit. But like I said, this is what I heard. In other words, no more 8-Bit, 16-Bit or 32-Bit support.

Lol... sounds about what I thought it would be. I still think that I will wait till longhorn, mainly cause of the bug issue... When all the companies start to get a feel for 64bit. Good to know that it seems to be an improvement tho.

I'm using both as well.. like I mentioned before tho, no bugs, nothing worth speaking of anyway.. I had trouble with FarCry too.. but it was "before" I installed the x64 Bit patch and x64 enhancement package, now it runs great.

Windows XP Pro x64 Bit is diffinetly more responsive, it also launches and runs applications faster too, like adobe photoshop, acrobat reader, disk cleaners, etc..

As for gaming.. my FPS "overall" is probably no more than a 2% to 5% increase.. but you have to also account for the slightly better image quality.. with a slight increase in FPS (or remaining the same FPS), but having some enhanced quality too.. that inturn means the x64 bit version is performing faster and better...

It's like some of these people here expected Windows XP Pro x64 Bit to increase their performance from 30% to 50% .. lmao, it does'nt work that way. Going from WinXP Pro to WinXP Pro x64 Bit is just like going from Win9x/ME to WinXP .. the OS is slightly better.

As for bug issues.. WinXP x64 Bit is no more buggy than XP was when it first was released.. "any" new OS is going to have a few issue.. when Microsoft tests them, there is no possible way to test OS's they make for every possible hardware / software configuration that end users have.. once the feedback starts coming in .. fixes will be released to fix any issues that some people may be having..

I have no issues tho.. it run fast and stable for me, and I love it! The only thing I can say that annoys me.. is waiting til June for the x64 Bit Logitech SetPoint and MX series mouse drivers.. other than that I'm great!

I ordered (2) Windows XP Pro x64 Bit CD's .. One I received, the other is on back order.. g0t them @ newegg.com for $149.00 ea.