All this new graphics power is great, but let's be realistic - Games developers still have to develop games to meet some pretty low standards to reach a wide market. There are no games on the market that maximise the processing power of a signle 6800 let alone a decent sli or crossfire rig, and won't be for a while, not until the games being developed for xbox 360 and ps3 are ready. Why bother then with an upgrade to the 7800? I just brought a 6600gt 256mb agp card, and that copes with hl2, doom3 BF2 stc without breaking a sweat at 1280x1024. By all means buy the latest piece of hardware - but you would be annoyed that you could not actually use it's full potential. I wouldn't hire Einstein just to add my monthly business expenses together.
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Games take don't take good advantage of the hardware. If they programmed games to take full advantage of my system I would be able to run Doom 3 in Ultra settings at 1600x1200 at 70FPS. And FX5200 would be able to play all the latest games at high settings at insane resoulutions with no lag.
Ho hum? Tom's Hardware's tests showed it to be 25% faster than a 6800U both with single cards and in SLI mode. I find that pretty amazing. When ATI was beating Nvidia by a measely 5% with the X850 it was a much bigger deal. Go figure. All that speed and less heat makes for the best vid card on the market today.
Nice to see Nvidia back in the lead IMO. Of course ATI will have an answer soon.
I just wish I didn't have to wait a couple years for the prices to be affordable. Too bad both companies don't supply more top end cards and less bottom end cards, which would make the prices drop.
Since this is basically an enthusiast/gamer site, of course the gamers will find fault. They tend to forget that they represent a very small market in the computer world. Check out some engineering sites to see real appreciation for this card.
peter reime, are you playing all those games w/ full "eye candy"?
I have a 6800GT (nicely OC'd) 435/1200
I can play all games @ 1600x1200 w/ full "eye candy" (except BF2)
BF2 (which I love) is difficult to render enough that I had to back the res down to 1280x960, but, BF2 gfx look amazing a 1792x1344 (the game actually offers that res), but it turns into a slide show on my puter
So, if you are trying to say that anything more than a 6600GT is a "waste", I am sorry son, but I will not be able to cosign that 1 today
I have a 6800GT, & I am upgrading from my 3000+ M, & DDR400, to a 3700+ San Diego, & DDR500 this week, just to keep up w/ games, not benchmarks
The only thing to look foreward to with the release of new videocards is the price drop the "older" (6800 and X800) video cards will suffer. But there is also the issue that, if you abstract your thoughts for a quick second, this new video cards performance will infact be equal or less than the performance of dual 6600Gts, and the reason for the abstraction, Profit. They (nVidia) will probably be able to sell it for around the same cost as Sli 6600GTs, But as it will "underperform" the Sli 6800GT rigs, Consumers will opt for the marketing strategy that i am trying to disclose here with this abstraction. They will give the illusion that you will be saving money by buying the 900 dollar Sli 6800Gts, when infact you are meerely prolonging the existence of this foul vermin. So, my last note is, 9800 pros rule, and for your Grandma's sake, not her japanese tea, Sli and Crossfire are just ways to blow away your money... i disagree with buying any video card that costs more than a pair of good guns (Ruger 10/22). But if you have the loot to spend, please, dont buy Sli!!!
And, OCGW, thanks for the great post. Besides, all I can say is that, the human eye can see around 45 fps, and in computer, which uses averages, thats more like 75 fps. so, if youre runnin FarCry or some other ultra cool graphics games at like 200-300 fps, you obviously spent too much!
And one last thing, I remember a year ago the X800pro cost like 400 bucks (12 pixel pipelines) and now it costs like 250 bucks.
But one thingis bothering me... What video cards are good with lots of light sources?
A few things to add - nvidia won't discontinue the 6800's - as long as there is demand - according to some dude from nvidia - so rest assure chaps there's plenty more of overclocking the current cards left
+ the 7800GTX DOES have 24 pixel pipes, BUT only has 16 pixel output engines - like the 6800 series - meaning it will operate 24 pipes but only output 16 textured pixels per clock - as full 24 output engines would mean that some would idle.
Where it will really shine - apparently - are the next gen games such as unreal 3 - with Shader Model 3, HDR and so forth - so this will cruise through what current 6800's will just about handle - therefore the full potential yet has to be seen of this!
FPS on Cronicles of Riddick on (Shader 2++) are double to that of a 6800 Ultra - showing again that only future programming will take full use of whats available on the 7800GTX
Meeh, whats the point eh? More eye candy graphics or get myself a car?
Sure would like to know where you guys are getting your prices from, because you're paying waaay too much. $900 for a 6800 Ultra?? The 7800 Ultra is starting out at $619 USD, but probably won't stay donw there for long. Here's a BFG 6800 Ultra OC, 256, 425/1100 for $439.00 USD.
I have 2 of these cards. When running one, coolbits clocks it to 455/1500 stably. When running both in SLI mode, coolbits only takes them to 439/1200 stably. One at a time, they can't beat futuremark scores of an X800. (under 6000 with my rig). But in SLI mode, they score over 10,000 easily, depending upon your components. The high scores are in the 14,000s. I don't believe the drivers are enhancing benchmarks, as my frame rates are very similar to an X800.
If you read Tom's Hardware's test of the 7800, it beats the 6800 scores by up to 25%. While benchmarkers are scrambling to get an extra 10 pts, this card performs 2500-3500 pts higher. So I don't understand the underperformance comment, unless you're implying to sales. But then, high end cards have never sold to expectations because most people simply can't afford them.
What's the point? If you don't do CAD CAM, are not addicted to benchmarking results, or do not play the most sophisticated games available, the point is to stay where you're at and you'll be happy. However, if you do any/all of these, the point is that there's a new king on the block, but bring your Visa card.
I'm well aware of what the problem with my system was. I had a Gigabyte motherboard, which the the FSB/RAM frequency ratio adjustment didn't work (IE: always stuck on 1:1, as 5:6 didn't work. 4:6 worked but couldn't achieve high enough CPU with stock cooling either). To overcome that, I changed from DDR400 to DDR500 and used 1:1. But with stock cooling I couln't achieve high enough CPU to get the Corsair DDR500 above 484. (Best I could get was 242 FSB.) So at both single and SLI modes, I was never up to maximum performance. So my best score on 3d05 with a single card was 5990, and SLI was 10,385.
Its no longer an issue as the Gigabyte's NF4 chipset fried. The board is being RMA'ed now and I've installed a DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR. My initial stock scores were considerably better with this board, but its now in pieces to replace the PSU, add water cooling, resleeve everything to accomodate the UV lights, etc.. You can bet I'll be posting on the 3dmark05 thread when its up and running, but probably be a few weeks as I have to visit the US next week and components won't all be here in time.
But if I were made of $, I'd have 2 X 7800s on order.
Hmm...Most of you don't know what you're talking about. From a consumer point of view, you guys once again buying stuff on impulse. I run a AMD XP Setup.
160GB IDE HardDrive.
Am I happy with this? Certainly. Am I a gamer? Certainly. I played Doom3 at 30fps on this computer. Obviously, an upgrade imminent this summer but really, think before you say, "OMG 7800 is a waste." or "6800U is too much!"
First of all, most of you people are probably lying. Without benchmarks and screenshots to prove it, no one gives a damn what you run.
I test hardware from many companies. Intel, Vapochill, AMD, ATI, Nvidia. All that jazz. Really, once you get to the top end stuff, you can't notice the difference. An SLI 6800U running at 150FPS while a single 6800U "only" runs at 90FPS. The human eye can't notice a difference after 77.8FPS or so. So really, why bother? Unless you benchmark that is. That's my job. I get paid to test hardware to their limits. An FX-57 using a single stage Prommethea Mach II GT at -55C at 3.2Ghz, REALLY doesn't make a difference to gaming.