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Afrow UK Jun 29, 2005, 07:36am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I completely agree. I ordered my Asus X850XT PE and it took litterally 3 months to become available again (in stock at scan.co.uk). And that was holding all my other computer items up as well (motherboard, memory processor etc).

I assumed it was because everyone was buying them, but perhaps that's not so true.

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fraser reid Jun 29, 2005, 08:03am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: ATI revenue report, paper launches take their toll?
I would not know as I only ever buy NVidia and AMD.......

not had any probs with these manufacturers so far.....

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>> Re: Re: ATI revenue report, paper launches take their toll?
8.5 million is a big loss to any company.
They will need to try to figure out why it happened and fix it of corse.
Hopefully if all you say in your report is true, then maybe they will begin to realise that advertising something that they dont have enough supplies of to meet demand annoys people, people that might as well go for the nvidia one at around the same price for the same quality.

Just hope they can build from this to keep making good competative products to rival nvidia so we the people get good prices at the shops, cos really thats all i care about, saving money and getting the best deal from it as possible.

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Yip, i waited 3 months with 5 orders at different stores....(kinda glad they all didnt get stock in at once!!) for a Sapphire X850XT PE, cancelled then bought 6800 Ultra. and i know another friend who was in the same boat, Sale of 2 units lost. and they want me to wait/try to order 2 for a crossfire setup? no chance.

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Plug & Play Jun 29, 2005, 11:04am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I was waiting for a god dam 9800xt back in the day too, maybe they will now value the customer more!!!!

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Kirk Bowlby Jun 29, 2005, 11:09am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Could it be that ATI is putting all their eggs into the xbox 360 graphics basket lately. It has been reported that they were having trouble with emulating nvidia graphics in order to make the xbox 360 backwards compatible so the regular xbox games could be played on the new console which in my opinion could be a make or break for sales for Microsoft, due to the probability of the PS3 being backwards compatible.

Ives P Jun 29, 2005, 11:26am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yeah - making people wait can sometimes have a positive outcome with new product launches, however, this is purely a capacity issue, - releasing so many products to compete with nVidia means terminal marketing madness - this in turn means problems with meeting demand and distribution etc...

The 9700 pro was an example of their genius and obliterated the competition, they could easily repeat that with the 'Fudo' 520 if they got the issues sorted...

Imagine where they would be as a company if they DID meet all the demand&got their cards straight (pun intended)...
Probably waaay ahead of nVidia for sure ;)

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AlanOne Jun 29, 2005, 12:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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ATi ought to take a step back and look at the bigger picture, and perhaps rething thier marketing strategy. ATi is in such a nasty race with nVidia to have the latest and greatest, that they are loosing the battle. This is not due to thier products (ATi has indeed an awsome product line), but to thier not being able to put thier money where thier mouth is. That is to say, when announcing new technology/product lines, have it ready to ship fot Christ sakes! Otherwise nVidia will remain the champ because the CAN deliver (ie: The 7800 chipset) a product when announced.

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Albert Crocker Jun 29, 2005, 07:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: ATI revenue report, paper launches take their toll?
I agree with Sander's assessment of ATi's current woes. Like many gamers, I was a big NVIDIA fan since before the GF2 days, and only seriously considered ATi again after the Radeon 9700 Pro (which I picked up about 6 months after it's release). ATi then seemed to rule the roost with one great part after another: 9800 Pro, 9800XT, etc., while NVIDIA stumbled awkwardly to compete with their new arch-rival in the form of the NV3x line, which never could catch up. ATi seemed to cement their leadership in the high-end gaming market -- up until the NV4x release. That was a major sea-change for ATi. From that point, they busied themselves trying to compete with the superior NV4x with a flurry of paper launches promising better products. They quickly made some reference boards to send out to all the hardware review magazines and websites, so that in the published benchmarks, it still looked as if ATi was the leader. But these cards took forever to actually make it into retail, while NVIDIA was selling their new cards left and right. Selling them often to (former) ATi fans who got tired of waiting for their X800XT to materialize (at ANY price!) Then came ATi's paper launch of the X850 line, and this really came across as a cynical attempt to dissuade gamers from upgrading to readily available NV4x parts while ATi was still in the fab frantically working to create an inventory.

The worst aspect of all this is the way that ATi essentially recruited hardware reviewers into their vaporware assault against NVIDIA. And all too many of these hardware reviewers were quite happy to play along. After all, a new "in depth" article about the "latest, greatest ATi card" is going to catch a lot of eyeballs. In fact, I do not believe it would have been possible for ATi to proceed with their vaporware marketing campaign against NVIDIA without the valuable assistance from the hardware review/enthusiast community. This very site is just one of hundreds that served as barkers for ATi's non-existent parts -- often providing just enough titillating info to get many readers to reconsider putting in their orders for a new GF6-series card and wait for ATi's offering instead.

I applaud those few hardware reviewers who have since stepped up to say they will no longer aid and abet these perfidious paper-launches anymore. They may lose some readers who are lulled by headlines hyping vapor, but they will, in the long run, reap the benefits of being respected journalists as opposed to gushing shills for the big vendors. (Every reviewer should ask themselves: are we doing this for the vendors or the readers?)

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OCGW Jun 29, 2005, 11:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Bravo Sander, if I had wrote that article the "fanboys" would have burned me @ the stake

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Robert S Jun 29, 2005, 11:27pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Im never buying another ATI product. I spent $210 on a Radeon 9800pro and the damn thing isn't much powerful at all. CS:S still lags, even after a $400 cpu + mobo upgrade. I tweaked everything and nothing improved the fps. The Graphics are nice but it just doesn't have the power to run it completely smooth. Overpriced junk.

The 9800pro wasn't much of a upgrade from my radeon 7500, even when I overclock the 9800pro to 9800xt.

I think ATI was just trying to keep up with nvidia, just throwing any chip out there claiming to be faster and better just to keep sales doing. Seems finally people caught on to what they are going. I will never buy ATI again. Next card I get will be Nvidia.

This Radeon 9800pro errors, etc. I already sent back 2 of them. I suspect they are overheating because of the tiny crappy heatsink they put on the chip, overheating at stock mhz.

Mike Weitsen Jun 30, 2005, 02:06am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I would think ATI would be surprisingly busy with getting their act together for the new NextGen Console wars. I have personally stayed far away from ATI GPU hardware until my last round of box builds (Shuttle shoeboxes with the 9100 IGP chipsets) and I came away rather impressed with something I would have originally lumped into the catagory of the Intel 815 class of video (Read "Integrated sucks")

That said, SLI has been around for how long now? It's now even branching into the Intel platform and that's a major rework as the 955XE chipset doesn't do SLI like the NForce4 does. Where's Crossfire? Hiding in Loch Ness or with the light grays in space? The 7800GTX is out. Where's ATI's comparison part?

I think after letting ATI go from a bit player in the the 3D graphics realm to bordering on the best 3D Graphics card and after a host of their own poor launches (Anyone remember the Leafblower FX5700 series card?) Nvidia learned its lesson. ATI's turn to cry.

Brian Stewart Jun 30, 2005, 02:27am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I had never given any thought to ATi OR nVidia before the 9700 pro days.

Back then, The voodoos and geforce 2s and 3s were the big boys, but even the random crap from random companies held their own. Memory and architecture was much more of an issue than speed, and 3D was in its infancy.

When the 9700 pro hit, performance mattered. EVERYONE knew about ATi now, and nVidia was number 2. (Discounting integrated Intel crap).

It was much more competitive than it was before.

The FX line was good too, the 5950 Ultra was the top performer of that generation, even though ATi certainly "won" all around. This time the 6800 range certainly wins, though not by as much, even though the x850xt has the top performace. (You could count SLi, or say in this game or that game, but 1 card, across all tests, standard clocks, the x850xt wins)

This time, the 7800 GTX has no competition. But ATi WILL compete. I have it on good authority that their card will take the performance crown, by a good margin.

HOWEVER - what does that mean if only a few hundred are ever made?
You can't turn a profit that way.

ATi may be headed down a slippery slope.

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guru Shane Jun 30, 2005, 05:15am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have been all ready for the R520 for literally months now. After all of the hype and all of the delays, there is still no product to show for it. I have been really geared toward going with ATI for my new system in the upcoming months. If things don't change for the better soon, I will be looking toward NVidia for quality that I can count on being in stores. I hope they realize that their customers are starting to think about looking elsewhere. I, for one, certainly wiil, if they don't get a better handle on their business.

Aaron Johnson Jun 30, 2005, 10:16am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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!!!!!!!!!Dual Core,64bit,MediaCenter/LongnHornDigital cable,HDTV,XBOX 360!!!!!!!

There not stupid there gonna pour the digital/Sweets all over us in the Fall/ Winter...

When all there New Technology will really matters.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 30, 2005, 02:57pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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ati just needs to cut out the Boards that do not sell that well, for example the X200 and X600 they need to get rid of.

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OCGW Jun 30, 2005, 06:29pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Gee, I don't know Airman, I think that is their "bread, & butter" OEM market, that subsidizes the enthusiast market????

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just to let you know that Mobility R9800 i have runs games smooth as possible for a Laptop, besides the new gen 6800 U Go and x800 XT Mobility.

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phil Jul 03, 2005, 12:59pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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yes i'm an ATI fan boy..

but what a bang on article.. i couldn't have wrote it better myself

i don't know how long i waited for a decent selection of ATI xpress 200p motherboards to review

ATI makes a solid product.. but what good are they if you can't buy one???

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OCGW Jul 03, 2005, 09:40pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup' Phil?

Nothin' wrong w/ being a fanboy

But I do detest a lying fanboy

OCGW

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Suuuuuuup OCGW :)
long time no see..

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