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Chris Campbell Jul 06, 2005, 05:32am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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What is the actual difference between Format and Quick format, besides the obvious fact that one of them is quicker...


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Ex Member Jul 10, 2005, 09:07pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Format / Quick format.
A quick (or high level) format deletes entries from the file allocation table and leaves the actual files intact. Because the file addresses are no longer indexed in the file allocation table they get overwritten in time by new files.

A full (or low level) format physically wipes everything from the drive.

Kevin Van Aug 02, 2005, 11:32am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Format / Quick format.
I'll have to disagree, and for argument's sake, I'll base this on good ole FAT32 architecture on IDE drives. Yep, other formats will vary....

In the OS:

Quick format pretty much just wipes out the FAT table and deletes the file and directory information at the root of the partition. All the information (other than the FAT and technically the first caracter of the root entires) is still there.

A long format does the same thing then verifies it can read all of the sectors on the disk. It does not infact wipe out everything "out in the field" on the disk. Do a long format and I can still get almost everything back.

Long or Short, they are both high level formats.

And now for something completely different:

Low Level formating physically rewrites every track and sector. It will basically wipe everything out save for intensive data recovery efforts. This is usually done at the BIOS level on SCSI cards or in the good old days you'd have to jump into DEBUG and manually go to an address to launch BIOS code to do it, especially with RLL drives.

IDE drives CAN NOT be low level formatted by mortals. They simply don't have the brains, if you expose an IDE to a strong magnet and disrupt the track information the head will fly back and forth looking for a track to read. It doesn't have the circuitry or feedback servo for absolute head positioning and relies on the disk media itself to tell it where it is. The low level formatting is done atthe factory (on IDEs), some drives can be field low leveled using what is normally an excessively expensive box that makes just buying a new one a better alternative in almost all cases.

If you ever wondered why SCSI is more expensive, this is one of the big reasons.

Years ago, when I started at HP, this was my job... :) Imaging, TSing and managing almost every drive that went into home products and light servers. I commited many crimes against magnetic media with those who would not cooperate. (Running drives open (and touching the platters as it's doing burn in tests just to watch them freak.), board and bios swaps to see how far the firmware could be pushed, exploring hidden tracks and reserved memory spaces, etc.)

We could LL the IDEs we were using with the external loaders. Depending on the version, some used pads or pins on the HD board, sometimes you would take the PCB off and use the ribbon directly to the head and servos. These would basically be percision devices that would walk the head up and down in a self calibration proceedure, do some math, erase the whole thing, then write the tracks again. The voltage and timing applied to the servo (voicecoil) has to be very precise because there is no feedback, it's flying blind. It would then go verify it's work. Makes sense in a very high volume operation, it wouldn't pay for itself in anything less.

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Jimmy Jiang Jun 24, 2008, 08:11am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Format / Quick format.
This is really helpful, I have been wondering about normal format and quick format for a long time, what is that point of normal format if someone can still get the data back after it is formated. I am looking for a way to delete my file physically and there is no way back. if normal format can not do the job then what can. the above post is the answer.
i am normal computer user and i use the method below, do you think this will destroy every thing:
1. attach the hard drive to a computer as a second drive, quick format it.
2. create a large junk file and duplicate it until the hard drive is full, and quick format the hardrive
what do you think?
regard


Reason   Jun 24, 2008, 01:49pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Format / Quick format.
Hi Jimmy, welcome to HWA.

That's one option, but if it's a large drive, that could take a while, although I suppose simply copy/pasting a DVD ISO multiple times might not take too long.

There is also software that will allegedly do similar operations but on the file only, not the entire disk. Eraser is one such program, freeware:
http://www.heidi.ie/node/6

I haven't used it and I have no way to test if it's as secure as it says it is. There are other programs, but the same caveat applies to them as well.

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john albrich Jun 24, 2008, 07:53pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jun 24, 2008, 08:27pm EDT

 
>> Re: Format / Quick format.
One utility is killdisk. There is a "pro" version and a free version.

http://www.killdisk.com/

For the free version, you burn the .iso image to a CD, boot the CD and then run the desired action from the displayed menu.

Info from Killdisk:
BOOT-DSK.ISO is an ISO image for a bootable CD-ROM containing FreeDOS and Active@ Boot Disk utilities:
Active@ KILLDISK
Active@ UNERASER
Active@ Disk Image
Active@ Password Changer
Active@ Partition Recovery
Active@ NTFS Reader

The computer will boot in DOS mode and the Active@ Boot Disk menu is launched at startup.



edit-add info re: the bootable CD image


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