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Billy Boy Jul 23, 2005, 07:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Sander,

A bit more objectivity towards products you review or news you comment on, would problably create a lot better content for your website and maybe attract more readers.

It's pretty obvious to anyone that you don't like one and prefer the other for whatever reasons, but don't let that interfere with your prfessional opinion about things.

If you have a professional and technically sound opinion, back it up with good arguments. If you don't, better not write about it, otherwise it starting to sound all very cheap.

You ridicule youself and in the end you'll chase readers away.

Just some advice.

Mark


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Sander Sassen Jul 23, 2005, 08:00am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
You must be kidding, or, which is more likely, have never read any of my previous articles. If your statement had been fact rest assured we'd not be going strong into our fourth year already. As always these kind of flames, which are easily made, are not backed by any examples, so I suggest you take your slander elsewhere, or back up your claims. Besides, a proper forum for this is a private email, posting it here for all to see is blatant flaming, nothing more, nothing less.

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g k Jul 23, 2005, 01:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
Sander,

You've missed the point of AMD's lawsuit(s). Intel has dominated this industry since computers went from mainframe to desktop. The point is that Intel continues to saturate the business market of the industry only by coercion and monopolistic manipulation of cliental. IT'S TIME THAT INTEL STARTED SHARING IT'S MARBLES by promoting fair business practices for a healthier competitive market. And, let's not forget that it was Intel that started all this to begin with, with their own silly notions of AMD's unfair gameplay.


Don't miss the forest for the trees.

gk

Yousuf Khan Jul 23, 2005, 04:02pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
Sander this isn't the first article you took the opportunity to voice your very public support of Intel Corp's side of the lawsuit. This article is the one listed just below this current thread:

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1807/

I really don't see much in your website that's all that objective. You should just run a blog, that way people will know you're just in it for the opinions.

Sander Sassen Jul 23, 2005, 05:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
Yousuf,

For someone that has made just 8 posts and read 4 articles since you signed up three days ago you are quick to arrive at that conclusion. As a fyi the article we're discussing here, and the other one you refer to in your posting are both in the columns section. A column is per definition a piece of writing where the author expresses an opinion of takes a stance, so I fail to see the validity of your critisism. A column is intended to open a topic, point of view, etc. up for discussion. Considering the fact that we now have close to a hundred comments I'd say mission accomplished.

As for other articles on this website you'll agree with me we take a different approach than others, that's partly because we have no advertisers to please, nor manufacturers to win over. We take a product for what it is through the eyes of the end user, which is you and the other readers. So don't expect glowing reviews, or orgasmic previews, or even 10-page articles basically rewriting some company's presskit. We tell you what to expect, what it worth spending money on and what not, but above all we offer a no holds barred approach to evaluating products, when we think a product blows, we'll tell you straight up without the fluff. If you can't appreciate that then please don't come back.

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Sander Sassen Jul 23, 2005, 05:17pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
g k,

I agree with your point of view that using your monopoly to force a competitor out of the market is not a proper way of doing business. However in the real world, where money talks, not morals and ethics, these practices are more than commonplace and not just in this industry, if they can get away with it they will. Rest assured that when the roles would be reversed AMD would also not want to give up market share and hence try every angle, morally questionable or not, to uphold their profits. That's the point I'm making in the first column I wrote about this subject, which you might want to read up on.

Sander Sassen
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g k Jul 23, 2005, 08:40pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jul 23, 2005, 08:56pm EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
Should we assume that AMD would do the same thing? I'm not sure of that, however you are right to say that money talks and ethics/morals just get in the way of big business. Nonetheless, ethics and morals do apply, and especially for the little man (small businesses, you and me). I understand your point of view better now, but the nature of AMD's claims are not overstated. Surely you can see that if AMD were enjoying "free market and trade" here, they would spank the pants off of Intel?

Engaging dialogue :)

gk

Digitalfixx Jul 24, 2005, 03:16am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
It looks to me like the three complainers are not open to reasonable thinking. If AMD was able to make computer manufacturers 100% confident that they could supply all of the necessary and projected invetory plus remain the leader in cpu technology and provide the best pricing for years to come then those companies one by one would stand firm against Intel and sell AMD processors. If those companies make that decision then they would be ending their relationship with Intel because that's the noose at the end of that rope. That's Intels threat! "Those of you that sell AMD cpu's aren't getting any more Intel cpu's or at very least you will pay a premium price for them". So, now Mr. manufacturer has to weigh whether or not AMD has a history of promoting their product to the public to drive sales as Intel has? Do they have the capacity to be the sole provider of cpu's for our company and not only ours but all whom they serve as Intel has? Can AMD continue moving ahead of Intel in technology advances for the long term future? Intel has a long history of bouncing back on top. The conclusion these companies must be coming to is; "were not sure and were not willing to find out" So, what's the problem? The only reason AMD cpu's are cheaper than Intel is Intel! Without Intel there would be no measuring stick to know that AMD's cpu has a better design or whether it was just blowing hyperthreaded junks. So quit crying about objectivity when the only thing obvious is that anyone who appears to be critical of AMD is labeled as an Intel crony or an AMD hater by you. What a bunch of BS. Things are fine just the way they are, both companies fighting, scratching, and clawing down to bare bone prices with higher and higher performance, why would you change that?

manny crawford Jul 25, 2005, 02:59pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?
Being an old head I remember a few arguments like this one

Commodore (amiga) didn't advertise back in the day which let the IBM machines get a leg up and that was the end of the story. that one was true.

This is about busniess practices ( in my humble opinion) and not the basic quality of processors. I build AMD and AMD only. I just like the performance. (and the price) yes AMD could do a better job in relating the superiority of their products. but that is not the issue, it is busniess practices. Yes AMD could do a better job of marketing its products, but there is an addtiional argument that could be made that the vensdors that are "locked in" to intel do that for them hence an unfair advantage.

on the other hand AMD could explain how their products could help the bottom line for companies competing with DELL. I saw their operation it woulsd be hard to beat them in price based on their streamlined production "just in time supply concept" but that is outside the basis of the lawsuit (as I read it)

What do I know I just build fast boxes I'm not a lawyer...




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