I find the comments by ATI rep of 'no market for such a solution' highly laughable, and I'm even confused by people agreeing with him, and the 'he was right at that time'.

How on earth could he have been right at 'that time' when as soon as SLI was on the shelves, people ran to buy it, completing undermining his statement as obviously there was and is a market for such a solution.


When x1800 cards are tested in Crossfire, then I will judge ATI best solution, versus nVidia's 2x7800gtx in SLI.

However, I do feel Crossfire will need to mature before it becomes a viable contender, and because of this, I dont see anybody but fanboys purchasing it.

I myself would probably never buy a dual GPU solution, as I feel its a bit pointless, however, I have always felt that it would have made more sense to go the route Gigabyt went, and incorporate 2 cores on the one card.

And when will we start to see Dual Core GPU's??? Once again, that would make more sense to me than 2 cards.

Hit the board !

Respected Sander,

While, I do surprise you with my ability to read and write my opinions on articles, as I state mere facts with proper explanation to my theory. I am saying again Sander, I get you completely and you've said it before that you'll reserve your final judegement for CrossFire (Yes its CrossFire, not CorsFire), but the way you've written this article is like you are on some kind of mission. I've yet to see you writing an article on ATI with postive thoughts, and please don't say ATI products aren't as good as Nvidia or its a 'co-incidence'. Lately, you've started applying thougts from one perspective only, you completely 'ignored' the other side. ATI isn't really my business, but the way they implement technologies is something I like about them, their older products were awesome, their newer products does hold a promise.

And if you carefully........kindly, look at those Tomshardware benchmarks (Obviously 1600x1200, and kindly look the difference between HL2 & DO_om-3, CrossFire does show promise?) Sander, you'll see that you are 'actually' comparing X850 CrossFire to 7800GTX SLI . Don't you think those numbers might improve with better and tweaked drivers? (shows that you missed that point earlier, as per listed in my first post).

I still remember SLI, while it was released, (not a new concept but YET)..they were having so many problems, Nvidia is not even perfect to copy 3dfx idea, hence, you cannot expect them to make such a great innovation in minimum time with different and better applied approach like CrossFire.

Since, the SLI has matured (I almost mentioned it, no body likes a good readthough), the bugs are already ironed out, so its obvious they will give better results, once the better and tweaked drivers will release for CrossFire, you'll see better performance with its, because its DIFFERENT ...its ADVANCED...and only thing which can compete with it is SLI-II.

You used words like 'unfortunate',....however the word that should've been used over here is 'fortunate'... this what makes the difference Sander. If you give it a thought, you'll get my all opinions, and you won't call me a confused individual. Further to add, I would say 'you' have to be rational sometimes.




Respected Michael Hill,

- Yea, I get your point completely dude, but somehow its just a human nature, your ideas and suggestion for Video Cads does represent you are slightly inclined towards Nvidia (because you are using Nvidia Card), but not ATI. And that's what I am saying to Sander also...

If I am not mistaken Sander, you did finished Half Life2 in one day on 1600x1200 resolution with 3.2E and X800XT??

But yea, you are on Nvidia, so it will represent Nvidia...its' just human bound to this

Kindly, delete this post Mods/Admin.

My apologies for this little Out of Topic:

1) Supreet Virdi, this interesting « CorssFire an outstanding approach » discussion will be missed by all people googling for "CrossFire". Too bad you didn't write your title more carefully!

2) Sander Sassen, in the composing page (here http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/community/new_message/...g+approach ), the "Subject:" is pre-filled with the default "Re: CorssFire an outstanding approach", resulting in all the messages having the same title, "Re: CorssFire an outstanding approach".

What is the use of a title if it is the same for all items?

Instead I suggest you apply what proved highly efficient on several good forums in the past (for instance InfoWorld forums):

- present the "Subject:" box empty to the writer;
- if he forgets to build a title and submits it still empty, the discussion software should politely refuse with a short and friendly notice as: "please build a title reflecting the contents of your message".

In this case, this would have made the typo corrected in most message titles.

Thanks anyway to all of you for this passionate yet interesting discussion.

Paris, Fri 30 Sep 2005 12:23:45 +0200

Supreet,

There's no need to go tell someone to 'shut up'.

Thats not very nice now is it?

That's how these conversations turn violent.

Yes Lee, certainly there was a need for it, he's just adding fuel to the fire, if someone, cannot back his/her statement in well-precise way, then there's one statement from me to them, as per written in my previous post. And yes, what he said was also not nice. Nvidia fanboy backing up another Nvidia fanboy isn't new to me though..although but I'll edit it now, if somehow if someone feels its 'really' disturbing.

And no Nemesis, conversations can never turn into flame wars, unless someone think hard before they make a post.

Since when have I been a fanboy?? And since when is telling someone that using 'shut up' is not exacty the nicest thing to say to someone, backing up the said receiver of such abuse?


You know who the fanboy is around here Supreet..............

Maybe a quick glance in the mirror should reveal that to you.

I've already edited it out though, but Brain Stewart should've been little more accurate while displaying his thoughts, he was just adding comments again which were already discussed...but nevermind I've edited it out.

But, yes you are a Nvidia Fanboy.

Supreet,

You wrote:

'but Brain Stewart should've been little more accurate while displaying his thoughts'

I think it is you who needs to be more accurate, I already proved your claims to be faulty, no need to repeat yourself or tell others that don't agree to 'shut up'. I suggest you refrain from posting in this thread from now on, as you simply don't seem to be willing to face the facts and are acting true to the meaning of the word 'fanboy'. I have one suggestion for you though, you might want to consider changing your signature to '101% Pure ATI KISS ASS® !!' perhaps, as that more accurately reflects your state of mind.

Someone already said it in this thread, and it is the golden rule I abide by:

'To me, and to the majority of people, it's more important how something runs rather than who makes it...'

Regards,

How am I a fanboy??? Thats rediculous!! How many posts have I made regarding the prowess of certain ATI products?? Too many probably. You just think that when someone doesnt agree with what you're saying (as your opinions are HIGHLY biased towards ATI) that they must be a fanboy of the other company.

An extremely childish and limited view of the fact IMO.

People disagree Supreet, please take note that it does not mean I'm a fanboy of the other side.

Sander,

Take a pill and relax, I am loyal to ATI this doesn't mean that I will suggest peoples to get X800XL over 7800GTX.


Dublin Gunner,

I don't give a damn, if someone agrees with me or not, its not my kind of thinking. I just say whats best in my knowledge.

Shall we wait for X1800XT on CrossFire?, then may be perhaps we would judge the performance better?, even Sander also agreed with it.

I stated that fact in one of my earlier posts, and indeed have refrained from commenting on performance of the hardware at all.

I merely made comments relating to peoples reply's, not the hardware in question.

Alright, I am sorry then.

Were cool so. Now lets stop all this flaming rubbish that always seems to get a little out of hand

If I am wrong I will apologize for it. I think I was little harsh on Brain Stewart.

Sander,

If you think this thread serves 'no' purpose and it was 'ALL' rubbish I was talking about then kindly delete this thread.

Although, I am little disappointed with your previous reply Sander, for community sake if they don't like Signature I have no hesitation in removing it. And at the same time Sander I would say I did backed you in Beyond 3D, I told everyone that Sander is innocent, because he got those X1800XT scores on Excel sheet.

Supreet Virdi wrote on Fri 30 Sep 07:38: « If you think this thread serves 'no' purpose and it was 'ALL' rubbish I was talking about then kindly delete this thread »

Please don't do that! Yes the flame is unfortunate, but stoppping it should *increase* the amount of valuable information posted, not *decrease*! What you (and sometimes others) posted is interesting and useful, don't waste too much time in finding who is to blame (kudos for your apologies, but they weren't that needed IMO).

Paris, Fri 30 Sep 2005 14:17:10 +0200

Supreet,

I'm using an NVIDIA card because it was given to me. If you want to get ATI to send me a better card I'll gladly take it.

LOL...Mike and I'll gladly take 6800GT if u'll send me for free

I'm gona have to go with Mr. Hill here. He said he dosn't care who makes the card, just as long as it's great.
Right there with you buddy!!

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/41110/?o=800 (2nd from bottom)
As you can see, the same goes with CPUs.

Peace out baby!!!

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