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  actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed 
 
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andrew kairis Sep 29, 2005, 05:42pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Sep 29, 2005, 05:43pm EDT

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the bios version can be different, which is not so in SLI.

any 3rd party card can be used in combination with any other third party card, also not true of SLI.


just like buying a new engine for your car, you need to know what you have, and buy what best fits what you already have. if you have a 16 pipe card, buy the 16 pipe crossfire.

the 1600X1200@60 is a limitation at launch which will be patched.

http://www.tomshardware.com seems to have it all figured out to a nice little chart, why are you throwing FUD?


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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
He said that, but it's worthless to have two different cards, because it's just like having two different kinds of RAM. Sure, you can do it, but why? It can only run as fast as the slower one.

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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
y wood u wanna go 4 crossfire anyway...its DEFINETLY 2 late 4 the market

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Edited: Sep 30, 2005, 11:47pm EDT

 
>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Not every one has gone over to the Nvidia side, young jedi. You have much to learn....

Not every one has gone over to the Nvidia side, young jedi. You have much to learn....

Alot of people have built there systems say n the last two year, lasts years buyers would not have SLI, but there systems are still fast and they dont see the need to build a new system, By the time they do, they will have the chance to buy ATi Xfire

People also will consider the cost that they had when they updated there system last. say 3 time there monthly salery. Id say they would hang on in there till the end..

People who havent updated in say two to 4 years, well, there not going to, perhaps 20% will, as there getting old.. and dont see the need to.

Younger people, those you are growing up in a digital age, will use a computer, they may or may not play games, ( I know in my time most people had consoles and very few people had commodores and amiga's) They may move over, but consider this....
If you have used the consoles, been dupped into the media hype that there he best things, then your not going to look at a computer in a gaming perspective. consol games at most have 16 buttons, computers 101 or 303 combination plus the mouse.. so are computer games harder? to noobs yes.

Most of the systems that I sell are costly gaming systems or they are specialist systems for video and audio work. I dont sell cheapo will do for basic gaming, No one has asked. they either want the best they can afford or get.
Most people will spend around 3K on a full system so they are not going to change because ATi's new graphics.

People are likely to upgrade just for gaming, a P2 500Mhz 128Mb Windows 98 system will run word and even surf the internet, send emails, its only people who game, video edit, or do design work on computer that consider upgrading.

On the other hand, Dell HP and the clone system builders have built there systems to last about a year so that people have to buy a new one. which makes market scene. IN 2002 One million computers were sold in the UK and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas sold One million copies were sold in the first 9 days! so it should give you some Idea, What did the people do, upgrade there memory. NOT there graphics, nor CPU NOR motherboard.

When people get the gaming bug, they then buy newer games that require faster processors and faster graphics. that is what sells computers.


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A_Pickle Sep 30, 2005, 04:29am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
"...y wood u wanna go 4 crossfire anyway...its DEFINETLY 2 late 4 the market..."

For crying out loud. Is it that hard to type 10 more damned characters? For anyone wondering, he said:

"Why would you want to go for CrossFire anyways... it's definitely too late for the market."

Sheesh. Hello, internet. Goodbye, English.

Sander Sassen Sep 30, 2005, 05:00am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
A_Pickle,

For once I'm going to have to agree with you here, can't people spell properly anymore these days?

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DarK_SlayeR Sep 30, 2005, 05:22am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
It's a disease!!!!!

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>> Link to THG NVIDIA Is In The CrossFire of 26 Sep
The Tom's Hardware Guide's article that andrew kairis mentioned in the 1st post above on Thu 29 Sep 2005 17:42 must be:

NVIDIA Is In The CrossFire (14p, http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050926/index.html )
Conclusion: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050926/crossfire-14.html

also linked in the other discussion, "CorssFire an outstanding approach" ( http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/49528/ ).

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andrew kairis Sep 30, 2005, 05:03pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Sep 30, 2005, 05:13pm EDT

 
>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
of course
I would buy SLI before crossfire, but even if I don't like the other canidate I feel they deserve accurate representation.

Sander you do come off a bit strong to the point of it looking like you are just spreading FUD though. (I don't mean to question your objectivity but I know I have trouble writing too aggressively sometimes, especially when i've previously been wrongly attacked as you have.)

However I will add that tom's missed how certain render modes won't be supported in certain circumstances.

Late? Yes. Filling wild boasts? No.


On the 2 cards:
Most people who would get this would be informed though, its costly, as by the time its an upgrade option to keep that video system current, the sales people will have it all figured out (with regards to explaining it and figuring out which one the buyer needs) But as I said before, the assertion that identical cards are needed is simply not true. Matching cards are however.


as for those late upgraders, yep right here.

1.1 celeron
384MB PC100
rad 8500 (sapphire, tried the hack, it didn't work)

i'd buy SLI more because I like nVidea's chipset's than anything else. (Wish they had not deep sixed the APU though. Gave creative a run for thier money)

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Edited: Sep 30, 2005, 11:32pm EDT

 
>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
I read a couple of weeks back on either anandtech.com or pcstats.com that the 80 series of forceware drivers will get rid of the sli card combination limitation. This would be very exciting news as I currently own a SLI board with only one 7800 gtx and will look to upgrade when the price lowers on the gtx.

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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Well thats all good and well, taking a look at what people will take as the NEW dual graphics solutions some avid fan boys of ATi will wait till the ATI systems come out,

I whouldnt hold my breath waiting for anything from Nvidia, Im still waiting for fixes that were due out 6 months ago..

You have to think that nvidias sli may accept differnt BIOS's but not cards and then run at a slower speed setting when the graphics card are missmatched as there is hell of a lot of diffence in the video ram on cards and voltages.. so you cant really mix match


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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
beta version are out but very buggy. the 78.05 V2 seem to rock and have moved that direction.

D PV Oct 04, 2005, 06:23am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Oct 04, 2005, 06:25am EDT

 
>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Dear Andrew Kairis:

http://downloads.rojakpot.com/details.php?file=128

ForceWare Release 80 BETA Download It!

This driver fixes some issues found on Release 75 drivers on Black and White including:
- Performance slowdown on GeForce 6 and 7 series GPUs
- Texture corruption on GeForce 6 series GPUs
- Adds SLI profile for the best out of box experience

In addition this new driver also adds many new features for our GPUs that function properly and reviewers can immediately test including:
- Increased performance for GeForce GPUs
- SLI Mixed vendor support <------------- Bite me. ;D
- Dynamic SLI with no reboot when using a single monitor
- PureVideo and HDTV enhancements

Version: 81.82
Driver Type: Official Build
Driver Release: Release 80
Operating System: Windows 2000/Windows XP

mothow Oct 04, 2005, 07:04am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
I C what U mean..lol

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Rory Witham Oct 04, 2005, 07:29am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Well, I am sitting here, with two cards, same vendor.. and guess what,,,, they dont work together..

I will try to get hold of the drivers and see if by some reason they work..


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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Two 6800GTs, one BFG and the other XFX: working in SLI with the 80.xx drivers.

andrew kairis Oct 05, 2005, 05:58am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Oct 05, 2005, 06:01am EDT

 
>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Dear Mothow .



They removed that limitation, great I was going on the article on tomshardware which said otherwise, go ask them to bite you.

I already said i'd prefer an SLI solution. perhaps not when 1800 is here but if it was now.... it'd be sli

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Edited: Oct 05, 2005, 07:45am EDT

 
>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
hey...is it so bad that i spell this way...becuz if u want me 2 stop i will

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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
Eh... it'd be nice.

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>> Re: actually no... identical cards AREN;T needed
I am personally an ATI fan but Nvidia most defiantly pwns with prices.
Nvidia's SLI capable cards are bang for your buck in a major way.
I would rather Nvidia SLI than Crossfire any day for prices.
And no I am no stupid fan boy trolling this site I currently own an ATI Radeon X850XT PE.

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