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bob manders Oct 18, 2005, 03:20pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have a notebook (Sony Vaio pcg-frv25) and I haven't fromatted since I got it (2 years). I haven't made a "Recovery Media Kit" which they advise you to make (due to a lack of CDs at the tima, and later forgetfulness).

I want to know if I'll have any problems if I just use the Recovery Wizard (without the kit) and restore my system that way. Since I've had it for 2 years I'm worried that the recovery data may have been subject to too much bit rott.

Otherwise, what do I have to do to format? Is it sufficient that I download, unzip, and burn the drivers from Sony's site onto a CD or do I need to get something else as well? I should just get the "Updated" drivers, right?

I've never formatted a system before but I think I can figure it out. I just want to know if I can just take the easy way out and use the Recovery Wizard, or should I do it the hard way and format? I'd prefer not to format sicne then I'd either have to get an original Windows XP or (more likely) get an illegal key and not have much chance to update.

Thanks for your time.

-im not bob


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Victor Hackney Oct 18, 2005, 05:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Hi Rob,

I take it that you personally bought this Laptop new, and although it is out of Warranty, Sony support will help if you supply the full details of Serial number etc....which you can fill out on the site below

Two links here to help you

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-tutorials.pl?mdl=PCGFRV25

http://www.vaio-link.com/specifications/specifications.asp?l=e...1&m=-1

When you go to thier update site to put in you identification, Serial Numbers etc. make sure you do it from the Laptop, as they will identify it as a Sony..

By the way your Win XP will be acknowleged by MS, if you have the details from the Key number sticker on the base opf the Laptop.....providing of course the OS has not been changed at any time. :-))
Here is another link from HWA...don't get upset...ahahah :-)) yes they have had many problems over the years.

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/search/results/?Keywor...18&y=1

Hope these links help,

Regards
Victor UK


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bob manders Oct 19, 2005, 07:50am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Hey, thanks. I've been to some of these sites and unfortunately my model doesnt show up on vaio-link, being it isnt sold in europe.

I'm thanking you because you inadvertantly solved my OS predicament: I just rememmbered I have this piece of paper with a holographic stamp that I got with my laptop, and I think it has a serial for windows. This is what I'll need when formatting, right? I just use any old sp1 XP CD and it'll ask me for this, and when I type it in it's gonna be legal, right? (I told you I don't know much about formatting... I should've thought of this before)

Unfortunately, this was only a small part of the problem. What I really want to know is should I just use the Recovery Wizard (without the recovery media kit). Will it work properly? If it did then I don't see why they'd be so insistant on making the Recover Media Kit. I figure I'll probably have to just format it, but I want to hear from anyone who's better informed on this. I mean, can the recovery information on my HD possibly still be in great condition after two years? Because if it's anything less, I'll just dl the drivers and format.

Some other questions:

1. Should I download drivers from the "Updated" section or from the "Everything" section:

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-swu.pl?mdl=PCGFRV25

(I'm leaning towards the everything secion, I assume updated is if you already have the original drivers and are looking for the updates while everything is basically you get the "newest" version of any drivers you need, including the originals)

2. Also, I presently have windows sp1. Should I install sp2? I heard that it's very... erm... bad. I'm gonna be using my notebook for gaming mostly, if that factors in.

3. Finally, here( http://esupport.sony.com/perl/news-item.pl?mdl=PCGFRV25&news_id=46 )they say that I should make a Recovery Media Kit so I can reinstall the applications that I originally got with my notebook. Do I need to do this? I can't tell if I'll need any of these (they're listed at the bottom of the page under section D). What do you think? I dont want to waste all those CDs in making the kit.

Theres gotta be somebody out there who can help. Thanks...

David Dunmore Oct 19, 2005, 11:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Your product key for windows willl be an OEM one which probably won't work with a full install CD.

Personally, I'd go for making the recovery disks, which will put the machine back to the 'Just bought' state, otherwise you WILL lose everything except for basic windows stuff unless you have all the original install disks (Unlikely with Sony).

What's the problem with using a few CD's, they will enable you to get back to a known good state anytime things get too messed up.

You will, however, need to let windows update itself (Could take a while), and it would be a good idea to get a copy of Norton Ghost to back up the entire hard drive to CDs when you've got things back the way you want them. and take a ghost backup every couple of months. If you use CDRW's (or DVDRW's if you have a DVD writer), have 3 sets and use them in turn.

Make sure you back up all your data (MP3's word files etc) to CD or USB pen drive before you do anything else, or they could be history. (You have been backing up regularly - Haven't you).

David Dunmore Oct 19, 2005, 11:26am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Sorry, forgot to say in previous post: You probably can do a recovery with the wizard without making a set of disks (I have on a Packard Bell box OK) but if anything goes wrong, you'll be up the proverbial creek in a barbed wire canoe without a paddle.

But, before resorting to such drastic action, try running basic housekeeping like Spybot S&D, and the windows disk cleanup wizard, then reboot in safe mode and run defrag and chkdsk with a surface scan - takes a while but will show up any problems with the disk. Also get a copy of memtest86 from:
http://www.memtest86.com/
and run it for several hours, it will show any memory problems.

Hope this helps, and apologies for taking two posts.


bob manders Oct 20, 2005, 01:14pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Thanks, but honestly, I don't think I use even one of all the apps I got with my sony. I'd rather have an illegal version of XP than risk the proverbial creek without the disks but... Will disk check verify the state of the recovery drive? I usually do checkdisk and defrag around once every two months, but what's this about safe mode? My check disk requires me to run it before windows starts but I defrag without safe mode. Does it make any difference? Also, I use spybot S&D scan daily.

Another thing about formatting vs. the recovery stuff is that I really want to get rid of all of those useless sony programs without accidentaly removing something that is essential, and I think the simplest way to do that is to format. Also, formatting will improve my sistem performance (its been two years!), right? I mean, my system does know to throw an error or two every month or so, and rarely games have been known to crash (although I suspect this is more due to the game itself than my computer).

I figured it's about time to start fresh, and using the recovery wizard (without the kit) feels like it just wont be "fresh". Like, I get this feeling I'll see "operating system not found" when I turn my computer on one day.

Quote:"Your product key for windows willl be an OEM one which probably won't work with a full install CD."

Huh? What's OEM? o.0

Oh well, I can live without the updates. I dont think I've been updating windows for about a year now... at the very least.

Anyway, I just need to get more answers, especially in realtion to sp2 and whether anyone else has tried using the recovery wizard without the disk (I know you have answered alreay, I just need more opinions before I make a decision).

Victor Hackney Oct 20, 2005, 05:12pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Regarding Davids, Packard Bell (NEC). I have PB> Easynote G and it can be restored to factory state as below and available to download from the Packard Bell (NEC)site

PB Site Quote:Windows PE Recovery Program Overview
Packard Bell introduces a new Recovery Program in order to restore a system configuration to its original state. This program relies still on a backup partition but the restoration is faster and has more options. The important change is that the Backup partition is bootable and may use up to 6 GB of harddisk space. The Recovery Program starts after the system has booted from the backup partition and offers a couple of options:

Windows XP System Restore which restores the system to a working state from a restore point.
Recovery Program which offers two restoration options:

Destructive Recovery: The content of the hard disk is completely erased and the system is restored to its original configuration (production).
*************************************
Non Destructive Recovery: Retains all user data for later retrieval and restore the computer to its original
************************************************************************************************************************
factory default state.
***********************
Allows you to keep the personal data for one user profile. During this non-destructive recovery no data will be erased, but new programs installed by the user may not work and in this case they need to be reinstalled. (this is refers to personally installed programs)
The restoration is faster than the traditional methods including the use of Master CDs and OR boot floppy disk. It is still possible to create Master CDs....PB's Unquote
********************************************
Further to Bobs original Query, and Davids suggestions I agree that backing up as he suggests and doing the security checks etc: he advises.and also if needs be, to use Norton Ghost to do a full back-up before doing anything to the Laptop.

It is a pity that Sony do not offer what Packard Bell (NEC) do, My friend locally has an PB.Easynote 4 and he reinstalled his os using the Key, and it validated ok. Naturally the Key was licensed to the NEC register and there was no problem. However I had to help him out to get some PB original drivers back for his CDR Combo etc: and others.

Best wishes to you both

Kind regards
Take Care
Vic UK

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bob manders Oct 21, 2005, 02:22pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Just a quick Q that will probably solve most of my predicament:

If I do the recovery wizard and it screws up and my OS is completely busted and wont even start, can I just put in the Windows XP CD in, and just install windows again (first format partition C and then install of course, all from the XP CD)? Also, is there any chance this procedure can screw up my partitions? I have a D partition aside from my C (where I have windows) and I keep all of my files on it. It would be easier if I didnt have to go though the trouble of backing it up if I know my D is safe from a failed use of the recovery wizard.

Just to clear my question up beacuse I'm typing in a rush:

I hypothetically use the Recovery Wizard I have on my HD (no recovery media kit) and it screws up, my system doesnt work anymore.

Can I now just insert a windows XP installation CD and just reinstall the OS?

Also, is there any chance in this process that my D partition gets messed up (and I mean aside from the chance I accidentally or purposely tell the recovery wizard to format the D parition, which I wont)?

Thanks a bunch...

Tristan Sullivan Dec 19, 2006, 12:28am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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You have to have an OEM xp CD or it wont work, i just had that trouble.

My laptop didn't have a recovery partition, and I didn't have any cd's either (customer said they got none when they bought it?) So i called sony support and its 50 bucks to get new installation media. Such a joke really, I would never buy a sony.

Whats worse is the model isn't on any of their english websites. Their support is a joke. I cant get drivers for it with a fresh normal install of windows because they are only available with the recovery cd's, not on the 10 million different countries sony websites. Sony are bad. The end.

peter luong Dec 26, 2006, 01:04am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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i just reformatted my gf's PC model # PCV-RS400 without knowing that sony computers has there own recovery disc's or that it was already on the computer before i wiped it out. now i'm trying to find a download for the driver for the monitor b/c when u boot it up, you can not chang the resolution. if anyone has any suggestions, id like to hear them. my last option is to get that disc. hopefully they still produce it.

hercend mpidi Sep 07, 2010, 08:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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hello!
I bought my sony vaio VGN-NS20S last year! It was with windows vista pre-installed..
But last week, one friend of mine came with and installed a windows7 32 bit in my laptop...
the OS works property but there are many things that go wrong such as the resolution of the screen, a bip sound when the computer is tarting, the right shift of the keyboard does work, and many others lil problems
I have concluded that it might be a driver problem! I have tried to use the recovery disks that I've made when I bought the computer (with vista) but it does work!
so now im stuck because I can live without computer and dont want to buy a new one from now
please If someone can help me...

hercend Mpidi

Jim DuB Jan 16, 2011, 05:52pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: VAIO Recovery Wizard (without recovery media kit) vs formatting
Victor Hackney said:
Hi Rob,

I take it that you personally bought this Laptop new, and although it is out of Warranty, Sony support will help if you supply the full details of Serial number etc....which you can fill out on the site below

Two links here to help you

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-tutorials.pl?mdl=PCGFRV25

http://www.vaio-link.com/specifications/specifications.asp?l=e...1&m=-1

When you go to thier update site to put in you identification, Serial Numbers etc. make sure you do it from the Laptop, as they will identify it as a Sony..

By the way your Win XP will be acknowleged by MS, if you have the details from the Key number sticker on the base opf the Laptop.....providing of course the OS has not been changed at any time. :-))
Here is another link from HWA...don't get upset...ahahah :-)) yes they have had many problems over the years.

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/search/results/?Keywor...18&y=1

Hope these links help,

Regards
Victor UK


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Hey guys....
Valid link - not valid support. Four tries to get live support, all were not responded to within a 15 minute period (the extent of the "free" support). Currently waiting for 4th try - been 40 minutes - still no acknowledgement. HDD failed on Vaio. My IT dept. says common for Vaio - within 3 yrs. Saw 10 Vaio machines yesterday - all but 2 were HDD failures.... What gives???
Bad drives, not living support.... no guidance for simple OS download to new HDD. HELP!!!!!!!!!!


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