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Joe Nov 19, 2005, 03:48am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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IBM Netvista 933meg PIII, Micro ATX Board, Intel 815 chipst, Socket 370

This is my first post. I've spent the last few days doing ALOT of reading on this site, seeking a solution before making any post.

Here is what happened:

Stuck at my house for four weeks covered in, of all things, poison oak (no fun here), I decided to break the cardinal rule about computers; "Don't fix a system that works." With this said, I decided to make some adjustments to my operating system.

Because my operating system was on my "D" drive, I reinstalled Windows XP Pro OS onto Drive C. Once I had accomplished this and after removing all of my programs and needed files from Drive D, less the old WinXP Pro OS, I reformatted Drive D.

So, far, everything was fine. When I went to "Properties," to check on how the reformatting went on Drive D, I noticed there was still 10.9 megs of something on Drive D. (Drive D is a 13gig, actually 12,987.2meg, Western Digital Caviar Drive.)

It is the drive, which came stock in my IBM Netvista 933meg Computer Type # 6579-RAU.

Before I go on about the 10.9megs still on the drive, after doing a complete format, here is some background on why I broke the "cardinal rule:"

When I bought the computer it came with Windows ME loaded. When I decided to change to Win XP Pro, I added a 2.1gig drive to the system. I can not really remember how C drive became D and the new drive became C, but my computer had no problems, worked superb, everything was happy. The OS worked fine off of D and life was all it could be.

I, through my many readings, always had understood that the OS should be on a drive by itself and programs and all the other stuff should be on another drive. So, in-between all my scatching and itching from the poison oak, I thought; what the hell, this is a good time to finally put the OS on the C drive and make the D drive the "storage" drive, since it was the larger of the two.

My C drive is an older drive, but I have never had problems with it and checked it on another computer, just to be sure. My C drive is a Quantum Fireball 3.5 series, 2.1gig. I have also checked my D, 13gig, on another computer. Both drives are in working order.

Now, back to the 10.9megs of something on my D drive after reformatting it.

When I opened the drive's view in either My Computer or Windows Explorer, I saw nothing.
So, I went to Folder View and changed the viewing to allow for hidden and OS files.

Ah! Abbra-Cadabra! I think it must have been at this point I was just moments away from vaporization...

Here was my thought at this point: Any remaining files on the D drive could not possibly be associated with the new install of Win XP Pro on the C drive. How could this possibly be? Well it can not be!

So, one-by-one I began to remove the 10.9 megs worth of files. As I clicked "Delete," my trustworthy machine, flashed a warning, although I can not remember the exact wording, its the warning all should heed, something about "...deleting this file may stop your computer from operating, or something like that..."

Most smart people would have hesitated at this point...

But, in my mind I figured this: the warning being displayed was being generated from some remains of the original install of Win XP Pro, which was on the D drive. Since the new install was on the C drive, any warnings displayed while deleting files on the D drive, referred to the old Win XP Pro OS and since it was the OS I was removing, the warning did not matter.

So, I ignored the warnings, deleted all the files, which made up the 10.9 megs, restarted the computer, and with this action, the computer never has returned to service. So, for the last two and a half weeks I have been doing alot of reading. I sure do not need to make any more great decisions.

I realize now, I think, when I did the complete format of the D drive that the reformat did remove all the files and the 10.9 megs, which kept displaying, were in some way being generated from the new install of the OS on the C drive. Although I really don't understand this, in a way I do realize I must have deleted critical parts of the new OS install on C. Does Win XP Pro in some way integrate other drives upon the same computer with the OS regardless of where the OS is located?

Then I arrived here, after doing a Google search, and following some links offered in other's posts on other forums, which pointed me here. I must say, this is the best place for answers about computers I've ever found, and I've been running the internet since 1994.

Over the last few days, and before I thought I needed to make this post, I have done alot of research of resolves experienced by other registered posters to this site. Here is where I am as of right now and in the order of initiation:

1) Checked both drives on another computer.

2) reformatted both drives to prepare for a complete new install of Win XP Pro

3) checked to make sure the Floppy A drive was set for first boot position in Settings
Since computer would only display "1962 - No Operating system found," I used the IBM designated jumper recovery to allow me to access the "Settings" for the computer. (This is where
I was able to select the boot sequence. I set the boot sequence as A, HD 0, CD-Rom.)




There has been one odd thing I've noticed in settings and this is that my clock and date says 12:00, 01-01-2000. Even when I reset this to current and save changes, when I go back in to settings again, the clock reads back to 12:00, 01-01-2000.

4) went to the Microsoft website and downloaded what was needed to make the 6 floppy disks needed so as to gain cd-rom use for a new install.

5)restarted computer with Floppy disk 1 in A, followed the prompts, Insert Disk 2 in A, Insert Disk 3 in A, and it is during the reading of the files from Disk 3 that the current problem exists.

The computer never completes its reading of Disk 3. I get this displayed message:

"pcmcia.sys is corrupted. Press any key to continue."

When I press any key, the computer restarts and displays the following:

"Non-system disk or disk error Remove disk and press any key to continue"

I remove the floppy disk 3, and receive the following message:

"remove disks or other media. press any key to restart"

There are no disks or other media, except the hard drives C and D.



Displayed on a bluish-green screen

displayed in yellow letters: POST STARTUP ERROR(S)

displayed under the above in black letters:

The following errors were detected when the system was started:
162 Configuration change has occured
1781 Hard Disk Error
195 System Security - Asset ID Antenna has been installed

displayed in white letters: Continue

I press enter to initiate "Continue..."

The next screen of the same display colors reads as follows:

Error
The configuration settings are invalid.
"automatically reconfigure settings and continue"

I press enter to initiate.

The next screen brings me to the Blue screen with gray letters
called the Configuration / Setup utility. There is an arrow pointing
at Date and Time. When I scroll down using the arrow keys and open date/time, once again the date is displayed as 12:00, 01-01-2000.

using help, which displays using F1, it simply says that as I make the date changes they are saved. I make the date/time changes. when I exit the Setup utility, I have been exiting via selecting "Save Changes"

(In regards to error 195 System Security - Asset ID Antenna installed; I have exited with Asset ID "Enabled," and other times with it "Disabled." and either way seems to change nothing.)

upon exiting the setup utility, computer restarts, reads Floppy disk 1, floppy disk 2, the same message is once again displayed part way through the read of floppy disk 3:


I am at a total loss on what to do??

Oh, yea, since writing the above on Wednesday, I downloaded the IBM Maintenance Book for troubleshooting and preforming diagnosis of the system. Within the first chapter is the mention of the IBM diagnosis utility disk, which I copied from the IBM website. I should have known all of this just seemed too easy, and it was. Once I downloaded the two .exe files for making the two-floppies for running the Diagnosis Program, I was not able to get them to initiate from their downloaded state and open for making the disks. All I got when attempting to open the files was the saying that the files had performed an illegal and would have to close. I tried to open them on three different computers. So much for that idea.

And lastly, so as not to keep things simple. I attempted to download the Windows XP Pro boot disks from the Microsoft site two more times to try to get past the glitch I had experienced with the "pcmia.sys" being corrupted, which I outlined earlier, up a bit in this post. The second time it was some other file, again midway through the 3rd disk of the six, which make up the WinXP Pro Boot Disks. On my last download from Microsoft, I did not even get to Disk 3. While running disk 2, I got another error and was stopped dead in my tracks. If it would help, I could run them again and let you all know what those errors were.

Should I toss the computer? I'm at a loss...

PLEASE, I neeeeeeeeeeeeed some advice...

Joe





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Reason   Nov 19, 2005, 12:44pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
that's frustrating. i'm probably not your savior here, but here's what i thought of:

are you using the same floppies each time you DL the program from microsoft? floppies do go bad. also, if you're not already doing this, you might try just formatting them before you copy the files onto them.


your floppy drive might be dying. $5-$10 at a store.


2.1 gb is getting very close to minimum size for XP, and you almost certainly won't be able to get all the hotfixes on there. that size also indicates that drive is quite old. i wouldn't trust it with my OS. a new 80 gig can be had for $50 or so.

also, a drive that old is probably running ata 33, ata 66 at most and i seriously doubt you would get any benefits to separating components like you say (OS, programs, etc).

if it were my drive, i would either take it apart so i could see how hard drives work, or use it as a practice mod:
http://www.gideontech.com/content/articles/206/1
i think it's useless in its intended purpose anymore.

as a matter of fact, some of the same reasoning applies to your 13 gig. moving parts wear out.


as for why your c drive became your d drive, i had a similar issue. i installed XP while my data drive was still hooked up. i believe something (bios, windows, whatever) saw the already formatted data drive (g drive, in my case) and assigned it letter c. so the (then unformatted) os drive became d. i fixed this by reinstalling with no other hard drives attached.

hope i was able to help some.

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depending on how much you like that computer and how much you want to spend, you might just upgrade the whole thing. i think i would. maybe try to get the IBM working to donate or sell for $60.

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Beavis Khan Nov 19, 2005, 12:57pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Regarding your clock issues -- it looks like you need a new battery. 4-5 years is usually about all they last. The battery is generally located on your motherboard, and in most cases is a flat shape, like a very thick coin. Usually can find replacements at your local camera shop if you dont have a computer store nearby.

I won't pretend a new battery is likely to fix much else, but you never know - sometimes incorrect dates do weird things to software...

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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
Thank you for the replys. I was actually hoping for a "bing, bang, boom, FIX.

Sadly, however, this computer has been in service just a little less than a year. It was a Factory rebuild, which I purchased last year, fresh in a IBM Box. I only paid $140.00 for it. The 13gig drive was its stock drive. It has worked without problems for all of the time, until I made my fatal mistake.

And rather than have taken a deep breath and used the normal recovery procedures, well, when it restarted with "no operating system," I sure did not even imagine the complications I was instore for. Gosh, over the years I have come up against the infamous "no operating system," and simply booted with a floppy, did the Fdisk thing, and went through the steps of a new install.

But, I have never done this procedure for Windows XP, and its SIX boot disks.

I'm going to change its battery and just see what happens. As far as the floppies I've used, well, they are fairly new and I did reformat them each time I downloaded the six-boot set from MS. I, additionally, reformatted them prior to doing the two-disk set for the Diagnosis Program from IBM.

I was thinking (I probably should not even consider thinking again for a while. Just look what thinking has done for me up to this point...)

Anyway, I almost get the feeling that one of two senerios are occuring. Other opinions certainly would give me a little more courage of what I should do next...

Senerio 1:

If the downloaded stuff from both MS and IBM were actually ok, well I can only assume that the computer itself is writing/changing/reconfiguring itself, sorta like running in front of me just a bit creating its own mayhem. I just can not understand how this could be happening.... And should this be the case, well, the advice given to dump it and get a $60 tax write off seems to be the option...

Senerio 2:

Since the IBM 933 was my master machine, I always ran either DSL or Cable Modem, never dial-up.

But my backup computer, the one I am writing to you on, can only use Dial-up. It's too slow for the Cable or DSL. Its (don't laugh) a 200meg MMX. You all remember these, the first with MMX technology? It's been on a shelf in my closet for years. thank God it was still there. :-)

Anyway, since both of the download sites, MS and IBM, produced weird/faulty/whatever files, well could it possibly be; 1) the data being transfered over a slow dial-up connection. 2) a dying floppy drive, as you folks have suggested, and maybe even the disks??

Oh, yea, in the suggestion about the 2.1 gig drive, well I thought it was a little too old too, so I eliminated it from the computer. The 13 gig came with my IBM 933, and like I said it is just shy of a year in operation.

As far as replacing it, well not this year, maybe in a couple of months. For me, it will be a real big loss till I buy a new one. I do everything on it, bills, research, school work, website work, class planning (I teach kinderguarten.)

Well, like one of my students told me last year, "hey, if you can't figure it out, it's really simple to make a machine work...first you look around and make sure no one is watching you, and then, comes the easy part
you just keep pressing buttons till something happens...

I'm sure after reading my long post, it was not hard to see I did not get the best of results on the "button push." Maybe I just missed something when the kid explained how to push the buttons.

Anyway, I'll try the battery, replace the floppy drive on the 200meg, use fresh out-of-the-box floppies, go to my neighbors and do the downloads from IBM and MS on a high-speed connection, and stick with the 13 gig drive, which came with the IBM.

(I wonder if I used a similar computer and reloaded WinXP on my hard drive, if this would do anything to breathe just a little more action into the computer???)

I feel like someone erased my brain. I've never in the 12 years I've been tinkering on computers ever experience anything like this. I've always built my machines from this and that. The IBM is the first one I ever bought fresh out of a box... Hey, I'll keep ya all posted, and if there might be any other suggestions, I would certainly welcome them.

Warmest regards for the best of the Holiday Season!

Now, its back to pencil and paper, and I hope they still work... Thanks again.

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Kirk Bowlby Nov 19, 2005, 09:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
try this site , should help to diagnose your errors

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-4BAHK2

also mke sure your hard drives are set properly master , slave , cable select , The drive with the OS should be set as master. also could be a bad ribbon cable

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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
Judging from your issues, you first need to isolate the problem.

1) Making sure the fundamentals are okay:
Unplug everything from the motherboard that isn't memory, power, CPU/HSF, or video related. This means all hard drives, floppies, and optical drives are no longer plugged in. Once they are plugged in, make sure the CMOS jumper is set to where it should be. You may need to refer to documentation to do this. After you are sure the jumper is correctly set, boot into the BIOS again and reset your clock. Reset the system to see if it retains the clock settings. If it doesn't, as previously stated, you should replace the battery located on the motherboard (CR2032 seems popular for coin batteries). If it does keep the time, restart the system and see if it gives you a "Operating system not found" error. If it does, the essentials of the computer are good to go so you should move on to step 2. If it doesn't, tell us what it says instead.

2) Bit accurate formatting:
Since you had problems with hard drives before, we want to make sure there isn't a trace of anything on it. Plug connect *only* the hard drive you want to install the operating system on and your floppy drive. Next, go to http://www.killdisk.com/ and download the free version of their application and copy it to a floppy. Following that, use the computer you are currently using to post here to create a start up disk (Windows 98 and up will do). Using the start disk, it should get you to the DOS prompt. Take the start up disk out and insert the floppy with Kill Disk. Run the application erasing all data on the drive. Once you are done, exit the application, take the Kill Disk diskette out, and insert the start up disk. Restart your machine and move on to the next step:

3) Creating a raw partition:
Back at the DOS prompt, type "FDISK" and create the partitions you wish to create. You've stated you've been through this before so I won't go in-depth there. If you need help, ask.

4) Installing the OS:
Now you need to reconnect the optical drive and start up the machine yet again with the start up diskette. Once you reach the command prompt, type the following:
D:\ <ENTER>
setup.exe <ENTER>
If this doesn't work, you may have to browse the CD in a different machine to find the installation executable. For instance, on Windows 98, it is located at D:\win98\setup.exe. This will take you to the install screen which will copy files, format the raw partition you created earlier, and install the operating system. If you cannot get it to run the executable, this means that the disk you have will not allow clean installs on a blank hard drive (upgrade or restore version). You will have to purchase a new copy of the software ranging from about $80 to $150. If it works, you're good to go.

Once you get Windows XP installed and running swell, I'll walk you through getting that second drive to work. Until you get into the operating system, it is highly recommended that you keep the second dirve unplugged to avoid any conflicts.

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I'm going right now to begin GT's outlined procedures. So, I'll be back when I'm finished. Just wanted to let all know, I have read and am proceding.... Joe

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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
Here is where I am at, so far:

Sorry about the delay in posting-my-progress, but, when I attempted to check the battery, and following the procedure to remove it, I broke the "+" clip. It has taken me from the time of my last post until last night to fix the battery holder with glue, tape, and a small piece of wire.

I followed GT90's instructions. They are excellent instructions.

I did the basic check; set date, turned off, restarted, date good. restarted, computer displayed "no operating system."

reconnected the floppy and HD where the operating sys will be installed.

went to killdisk, made kill disk. made startup disk.

restarted computer with startup in floppy.

This initiated the A prompt.

Removed the startup disk from floppy drive. Inserted the Killdisk. At the A prompt typed killdisk.exe
Kill disk initiated and I followed the instructions.

When killdisk ended, I turned computer off. Reinserted the startup disk, which brought me back to the
A prompt.

HERE IS THE CURRENT PROBLEM:

I initiated the following----
A:\>fdisk
pressed Enter

I am receiving the following message:

Bad Command or File name

Any suggestions?


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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
Ok, Joe. At this point you should have 2 clean hard drives by following GT90's instructions. One 2.1 GB and one 13 GB. Now go back inside your computer, make sure both hard drive is connected in your IDE 0 channel. And your IDE 1 channel is for your CD Rom drive(s). Make sure the 13GB's jumper(s) is set to Master, and the 2.1GB's jumper(s) is set to slave. Make sure the IDE cable have one end connect to the motherboard, and the other end connect to the Master drive (13GB), and the connector in the middle of the cable goes to the Slave drive (2.1GB). Make sure all other connections are good inside your computer.

Now, if you can enable CD Rom booting in your BIOS, you don't need to use the WinXP installation floppies. If you can NOT, then you need to make the floppies. Usually, your WinXP CD has a program in there to make boot floppies, Explore the disk to see if you can find anything with the name "makebootdisk" or similar (unfortunately I don't have a WinXP CD with me now). If not, then you have to download it from MS, like you did before, here's a link. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310994...0121120120 Make sure you download the correct version of bootdisks (original, SP1, SP2) that matches your WinXP CD.

Once you have the boot disks and/or able to boot into the WinXP CD. You're in good hand. You will need to create a single partition for entire 13GB drive and a single partition for the entire 2.1GB drive. Use the 13GB drive to install WinXP with NTFS format. Go through the installation step by step as instructed.

Once you have a WinXP up and running, then you can format the 2.1GB with NTFS for data storage. Hope this helps. Post again if you have any problem.

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Well, I can set the cdrom as a boot option, but when I do, the whole problem, which began this post returns.

So, I was wondering if I could plug the power into the cdrom after getting to the A prompt. I can get to the A prompt when the cdrom is not connected, but not when it is connected.

Right now, I am getting ready to make the six disks again. I made them three times before, only to experience errors. Twice the errors occured part way into the third disk, and once part way into the second. So, I am not to optimistic about these six disks.

My copy of Windows XP is a complete edition, not a recovery version, and not an upgrade.

It seems like I'm back to where I started. I'll let ya know what happens.

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in the bios you have to make sure that the cdrom is before the hard drive in the boot priority or the system won't try and detect a bootable CD.

(you know you can always use a win98 boot disk w/ CDROM support to get by the CD booting issue)


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>> Re: No Operating System -- Unable to reload -- Never fix a system that works! - Advice I did not fol
You're probably using the wrong floppies to load the XP Pro. There are 3 different sets. First you need to look on your XP Pro CD and figure out if it's XP Pro or XP Pro SP1 or XP Pro SP2. Then download the right set of floppies.

XP Pro
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=55820...laylang=en

XP Pro SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=83f53...laylang=en

XP Pro SP2
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=535d2...laylang=en

Also XP downloads setup files. If you don't have drivers for the CD ROM then you use the floppies. The last step the installation makes is to delete the temporary installation and set up files. I'm pretty sure 2.1GBs isn't big enough to hold all those files, amd the newly installed files as well. It's basically running out of room before it finishes. The messages about the corrupt driver thing though is probably because of the floppies you're using are the wrong ones. Good Luck!

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Well, I am back at square 1. I called a friend yesterday and I'm going to try his Windows XP disk. If this gives the same results as mine produces, I guess I'm headed for Linux. I even changed the floppy in the smaller computer I made the six disks on.

Usinf the six disks, my clock reset back to the wrong date and all the original error messages have returned.

So, once again I am totally lost. Not being a big flag waver of Microsoft, Linux is a new direction. I'll keep you all posted.

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oh, yea, one last thing---I eliminated the 2.1 gig drive and have been working only with the 12.9 gig.

I really want to thank everyone, so far, for your efforts. It certainly has held my sanity. :-)

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I'm going to guess that the disk you have is an upgrade CD and thus will not allow you to install it fresh. I highly recommend you purchase the full, bootable install disk off of Newegg for $140 if Linux doesn't cut it for you.

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Since you didn't respond to my post, I have to assume you were using the correct set of floppies. OK. Your clock reset. There are 3 reasons why a BIOS clock will reset.

1. You reflashed (not reset) your BIOS which will return the BIOS to the release date of the BIOS. i.e. If the BIOS file date is say June 23rd 2002, then the time will return to that date or close to it
2. Your BIOS is corrupted.
3. You have a dead or dying CMOS battery.

From the age o the system I'm betting it's the battery. Should be 3.3V

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Thank you for the replys...

I have changed the battery, that's when I broke the clip, which holds it in. It took me quite awhile to re-engineer a fix, two days. My CD is a full version of Windows, not an up grade. It has the ability to do a full install. How do you "flash" a bios? I may know how, but am not familar with the term--flash the bios.

I, during the following of GT90's original info, changed the battery, turned the computer off, left it off for a bit, turned it back on and the date held correct. But, when I begin the disk load the computer loses the date and all errors return.

Let me go try the disks again and see what happens... I'll be back shortly...like within the hour

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Joe Nov 25, 2005, 12:35pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Just a quickie update,

When I went through the process to make sure all was ok, before doing the disks again, I went and checked the boot sequence. Having the cd disconnected, the computer seems to only recognize the 12.9 gig and not the floppy. So, I changed the wire-strip between the motherboard and the floppy, and still the floppy is not recognized.

So, now I'm going to change the floppy drive. I'll be back shortly...

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Joe Nov 25, 2005, 02:28pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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now I have changed the floppy drive on the computer with no operating system, and I get a message of:

I/O error reading disk
Please insert another disk

So, maybe this floppy drive is no good??

I'll wait till I hear something else. I have 9 floppy drives in a box, so I have spares.

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Joe I know wha's going on. The files on that drive, the mystery MBs? That is a product recovery program that is installed by the factory, and/or the system recovery disks. If that system has a proprietary CMOS chip, you will not be able to install any operating system except for the one that comes with the proprietary system recovery disks. I've seen this before. Read some more here on Lenovas site (Lenova is the company that bought IBMs retail computer division.)

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitesty...IGR-4UFUYK


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Hi Payton, I followed the link to IBM in your post. There, I discovered this phone number--

1-800-IBM-SERV

I called this number and spoke with Technical Support in Atlanta. You know I've done so many things to it, so far, in attempting to bring it back to life, that I have found myself at almost a loss on what to tell them in regards to the sequence of events.

The gentleman I spoke with told me, even with the disks completely wiped out, meaning reformatted with nothing on them, the machine should boot with the XP CD.

Yea, I'd have to agree with you that the 10.9 was exactly recovery. But, I have used killdisk on these drives, as well as prior to the kill disk, manually removing the files.

Even though the machine is out of warrenty, they were very nice at IBM. If I could just rethink the problem, I think I might get some help there. But, today, after Thanksgiving, I feel I've been hit in the head with a hammer.

I think it is a good thing to note the IBM #. by anyone with IBM equipment. It is also a 24 hour #. This service # is good USA only, although there are other numbers for other world locations.

Yea, I believe you've hit the nail on the head, though it is now a little late for me.

I'll keep everyone posted...

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