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Supreet Virdi Dec 08, 2005, 11:53am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Yes Dual Core helps. And No, HDD has nothing to do with 3D Mark 05' scores, neither it helps in better FPS.

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PCGEEK Dec 08, 2005, 01:14pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
willy try the 81.95 Extreme G V2

http://www.tweaksrus.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=...Itemid=41/

they enable duel core suport in drivers and games. My in game performance gain was mazing.

Willy Jonasty Dec 08, 2005, 01:31pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Those are video drivers correct? Or are they chipset drivers too? The reason I ask is because they enable duel core, which would lead me to believe that they are chipset drivers...

Sorry if I sound dumb, but I gotta learn sometime...

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4Qman Dec 08, 2005, 01:34pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Gaming CPU, why not get a Opertron 146 2.0Ghz. They clock
well above FX-57 speeds.

Ive just purchased 2 as they are going out fast in the U.K. I have one Prime stable at
2.9Ghz and the Other at 2.8Ghz with both running 1.48v.

This surly must be the best gaming chip out there at the moment for the money. Well untill X2 starts plaing a bigger part.

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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Opertron eww nice

beast USA uses duel with his SLI 7800GTX

his scores are very nice.

there GPU drivers bro. Drives add multi threading suport. not 100% but it helps. Just a step in right direction.

Ian Yeoh Dec 08, 2005, 01:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
PC Geek,

It gets more complicated every day.

DeafGuy C. Dec 08, 2005, 01:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Preadtor I agree with you. Pathetic "hardcore" gamers have always brag about having high 3DMark score when in reality, it's just a number which does not reflect true real world gaming performance. It's so god damn annoying when people brag about their score. I just think..."What a pathetic nerd, prolly couldn't get laid and spend his next 10 decades firguring out a way to increase 3DMark score by buying brand new hardware every 6 months or so just so pathetic people get jealous (can you actually believe that, they get jealous over a number lmao) and ignore his 3 wives and they divorce him because he choose 3Dmark and gaming over sex". PCGeek anyone?

Willy Jonasty Dec 08, 2005, 01:57pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Wow, that seems uncalled for...

I don't think that anyone would disagree with you in the sense that Gaming is the number one priority, but benchmarks are a good way to tell if your system is performing correctly.

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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
you seem to have this idea that i was devorced over a computer ?

Lol first wife back in 1991 divorced in 1995 didnt even own a pc back then

second 1997 to 2000 . Think i have a piece ofs**t 400 Mhz celleron in there then a 1800+ XP at the end.

nothing to do with PC,s guy .

to young was only 19 first time.

Second she ended up in the hospital and i lost her.

There is no 3rd wife yet. just a live in GF for last few 4 years. Named Lisa and shes very well cared for.

as for 3dmarks . sence when did i care about them more then in game performance ? Last i checked i whent with this system for the performance in games. Not benchmarks.


im thinking DeafGuy C. is Intimidated over my success and killer sex life lol. Would you like to ask her? Shes right here by me.

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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
3800+ X2 = 3000+ core
4200+ X2 = 3200+ core
4400+ X2 = 3500+ core
4600+ X2 = 3700+ core
4800+ X2 = 4000+ core

I would pick a 4400+ X2 dual core. Enough speed for gaming and can multitask like no tommrow and no more lag or waiting. 1 core for the game and 1 core for everything else running in the background like the OS, chats, anything else.

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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
lol clueless to the end arnt you defguy. Your chart is so far off its sad.

like to exsplane how my little 3800+ wipes the floor with FX 57 overclocked 3 GHz ?

3800+ X2 = 3500+ core each core
4200+ X2 = 3800+ core each core
4400+ X2 = 4000+ core each core
4600+ X2 = 4200+ core each core
4800+ X2 = FX57+ core each core

I think you will find that is more Reality for its in game performance when runing duel core hot patches and drivers.

Dont buy into a guy that cant aford to buy one. Trust us who use them.

DeafGuy C. Dec 08, 2005, 02:20pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Meh I was joking but um....you always have cared about 3Dmark very deeply. You always talk of having high benchmark all of the time as if it is very important.

Ian Yeoh Dec 08, 2005, 02:39pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 08, 2005, 02:42pm EST

 
>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Hey, I was the only guy who "bragged" about 3D Marks in this thread. PC Geek never mentioned 3D Marks. Hell, after applying those three drivers that PC Geek mentioned, I may just have to find out how much better I can score and come here and brag more.

I am not even an overclocker lol. My system is not overclocked at all unless I need to find out its potential. Right now, everything is at default. I am not even a gamer. Sure I own every last game that's a buzzword, but I get to play less than an hour a week.

Anyway, my intent was to show that one should not write off the dual cores, and like PC Geek showed, dual cores and Opterons can and will haul some serious ass.

And hey, I don't buy new video cards every six months, I buy them every three months. As for getting laid, I guess I have four children, so once in a while it happens lol. As for being divorced, my marriage has worked so far for 18 years. Don't see way it can't last.

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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
So dual core all the way eh? Okay, but as far as the price per perfomance go, does the 4400+ with its extra 512kb worth the extra 100$ over the 4200+?

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PCGEEK Dec 08, 2005, 02:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
ever sence i found out Compusa lets me get a 2 year in store replacment plan that lets me also trade up and pay the difrence. When new comes into stock. i trade in the old pay my $200 more and got my self a new SLI setup. Whet ever posesed me to try ATI ill never know lol. Just wish they get the god dam 7800 GTX OC BFG in Stock.

. sovietdoc . for gaming no you wont see any improvent.

For larger aplications exstra cache always helps .

the 4200+ will hit 5000+ or more on air no problem.

thats better then 2 4000+ sandiago CPU,s

Also you need to look at nvidia specs for SLI

2 7800 GT in SLI needs FX 57 overclocked or 4800+ X2 min.

2 7800 GTX in SLI FX 57 3.0 Ghz or better or 4800+ X2 at 5200+ to even see its potential.

sad part is the GPU,s are ahead of CPU,s in tech . So you have to overclock to even get full performance.

now when the AMD,s come out with ddr 2 suport. that will change.

Ian Yeoh Dec 08, 2005, 03:00pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 08, 2005, 03:04pm EST

 
>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
The extra cache is not for gaming. Its useless for gaming right now. Cache is only for big applications.

"Just wish they get the god dam 7800 GTX OC BFG in Stock." You got that right, PC Geek. Been waiting 4 months now.

I think the minimum cpu to support a 7800GT SLI in full glory is 2.6 GHz. The minimum cpu to support a 7800GTX SLI is probably 3.0 Ghz, and a 512 MB card, you need something like Beast USA's lol

Willy Jonasty Dec 08, 2005, 03:06pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
PCGEEK, do those drivers help out in 3dmark or in games? I installed em all and ran 3dmark03 and got a very similar score...

Do I need to do anything after I install them? Or is it more for game performance; I have not tried running a game yet

Thanks
-Will

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Ian Yeoh Dec 08, 2005, 03:15pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Willy,

They are part of an overall package. You stillneed to tweak your entire system, your OS, your drivers, etc. Then you also need to overclock. The speed differences come only if you push your hardware, not when running stock.

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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
>> 2 cores wouldn't benefit, but 2 CPU's would? LOL You're way off... Either way, they would have the same memory bandwidth because the amount of memory shouldn't change when comparing. Having half of it sent to 2 CPU's would be the same as having all of it go to one CPU and shared between 2 cores. As far as any latency goes, what's the difference in 2 CPU's having to figure out where the data goes (as far as which which CPU) and 2 cores having to figure out where the data goes? If anything, the gap between the 2 CPUs while trying to communicate with each other would increase the latency for the 2 CPU setup.

Games can only run at a peak of the clock speed. If the application was multithreaded, it will peak out at 2.4 GHz. When you got two CPUs with the program itself distributing the load, the result is 2 x 2.4 GHz or 4.8 cumulative. Games are on the file where various parts must be synchronized to make it happen. Multithreading is extremely hard to code and thus, very rare in games.

There is no latency with software configured for multiple CPU's because which threads the software puts on each CPU is predetermined. There is no hardware calculations telling it to redistribute to keep things level. That's why a lot of dual CPU systems end up only using one core on typical tasks and then use both on software designed to use both.


The only gains you'll see with a 4800+ over a 4000+ in gaming is if something happens in the background. A 4800+ could balance the load so you won't feel the performance hit at all where a 4000+ will take the hit. If there are no disruptions, the 4000+ gets higher FPS than the 4800+. I'm not talking a whole lot faster but one one or two FPS.

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PCGEEK Dec 08, 2005, 08:21pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
as long as you are runing X2 drivers and X2 hot patch . You shuld have seen a very nice jump in scores. if you didnt then its not taking advantage of the duel core. Thats not good find out why. I noticed a masive jump in scores with them. Also overclocking a X2 is a must. There made to overclock and fine tune.


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