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Willy Jonasty Dec 10, 2005, 09:35am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
How do you like that cpu flyman? I have never talked to anyone who owns one...

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Dec 10, 2005, 09:47am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
well for being in a Laptop its great actually, just that its not running at the 3.4 ghz its supposed to be, its running at 3.39 ghz, besides its a Northwood and Not a Prescott and im happy about that, Older P4s are good, course id like to build a new system next year, also i hope AMD doesnt go with 940 as that would leave me SOL.

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Willy Jonasty Dec 10, 2005, 10:05am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Yeah, northwoods are awesome...I used to have one and it was the best

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Dec 10, 2005, 10:16am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
ill probably have this laptop in 2008 bro, when its time for me to retire from the Air Force.

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Willy Jonasty Dec 10, 2005, 10:47am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 10, 2005, 10:48am EST

 
>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
That is a really nice laptop. I didn't even realize that you had a laptop...wow

They make the EE for laptops too? That is crazy

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Dec 10, 2005, 10:53am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
dude its a skt 478 CPU mixed with a 865PE Chipset, same CPU as in a desktop. actually this laptop is a desktop replacement.

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guru Shane Dec 10, 2005, 01:16pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yes, I can prove that it actually assigns that core to the job. When you assign Prime95 to 1 core, you can use task manager to see which core is doing the job. 1 of the cores will be running at 100%, which would be a 50% load overall. When you switch the program over to the other core, you will then see THAT core go up to 100% instead, which would be a 50% load overall. :) When you open another instance of Prime95 and assign it to the core that wasn't used, you will see that core go up to 100% as well, which would then give you a 100% load.

FordGT90Concept Dec 10, 2005, 02:08pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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So the shell can address cores individually. It doesn't mean software running under the shell can.

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guru Shane Dec 10, 2005, 03:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
You set the affinity for each core through Prime 95 and not task manager. :) You should know that any software that can manipulate the shell has the same abilities as the shell itself.

PCGEEK Dec 10, 2005, 03:11pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
hum learned something new.

If you install hot patch it splits all programs 50% to each core.

If you edit the registry as follows each program and games uses a different core of its own

Little more efficient

After you install the hotfix that is described in this article, follow these steps to enable the new performance state policy behavior:
1. Click Start, click Run, type regedit in the Open box, and then click OK.
2. Right-click HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager, point to New, and then click Key.
3. Type Throttle for the new key name.
4. Right-click Throttle, point to New, and then click DWORD Value.
5. Type PerfEnablePackageIdle for the value name.
6. Right-click PerfEnablePackageIdle, and then click Modify.
7. In the Edit DWORD Value box, type 1. In the Value data box, make sure that Hexadecimal is selected, and then click OK.
8. Quit Registry Editor.

FordGT90Concept Dec 10, 2005, 03:35pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> You should know that any software that can manipulate the shell has the same abilities as the shell itself.

Usually but there is always exceptions. I.e. DOS can pretty much do whatever it wants but Windows, for instance, is very protective of it's private parts.

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sean boyley Dec 15, 2005, 04:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
well I am also looking to buy x2 3800/4200/4400 +
my thinking now is that since all these 3 chips can be clocked easy
enough to 2,4ghz ...and above
why not go for the one with more cache ?
other than price of course, surely the extra cache will preform better
even if all 3 chips r @2,4ghz o'clock ?

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Dec 15, 2005, 05:04am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
idk, probably CPU model of choice for me is the Dual Core Opteron 165 CPU at 1.8ghz.

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Thermalfreak Dec 15, 2005, 05:14am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
939 opterons and dual core chips with more cache per single core are either harder to find or more expensive from how i see it.....either overclockers are all going to my stires trying to get higher clockspeeds out of those chips, or someones buying using an intel guide book, you know the one that says itf it doesnt mave 2 megs of cache....and also says that clockspeed is important, but also clockspeed doesnt matter, that you must use model numbers to determine, but that well model numbers should also not be used to determine performance, and that if its blue that you should buy and if youre colourblind youre gonna have a headache in this world.

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Willy Jonasty Dec 16, 2005, 03:55pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
I would say the cache is not all THAT important...But, the extra cache can't hurt in my eyes...it can only help...The question is whether it is worth the extra money...

-Will

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SuPeR Xp Dec 16, 2005, 04:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
If you are a gamer, I say go for the 4000+ rev E. But only if it's cheaper that is. Because drivers like ATI's cat's give you performance increases when using Dual Core Athlon X2 64's.

But over all, if its cheaper, than yes the 4000+ if it's not than I say X2 4200+, the little more you will spend on the X2 4200+ is be justified when compared to the X2 3800+.

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SuPeR Xp Dec 16, 2005, 04:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
If you are a gamer, I say go for the 4000+ rev E. But only if it's cheaper that is. Because drivers like ATI's cat's give you performance increases when using Dual Core Athlon X2 64's.

But over all, if its cheaper, than yes the 4000+ if it's not than I say X2 4200+, the little more you will spend on the X2 4200+ is be justified when compared to the X2 3800+.

Take Care,

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SuPeR Xp Dec 16, 2005, 04:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
If you are a gamer, I say go for the 4000+ rev E. But only if it's cheaper that is. Because drivers like ATI's cat's give you performance increases when using Dual Core Athlon X2 64's.

But over all, if its cheaper, than yes the 4000+ if it's not than I say X2 4200+, the little more you will spend on the X2 4200+ is be justified when compared to the X2 3800+.

Take Care,

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sean boyley Dec 17, 2005, 02:35am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
"But over all, if its cheaper, than yes the 4000+ if it's not than I say X2 4200+, the little more you will spend on the X2 4200+ is be justified when compared to the X2 3800+."

yes I understand for gaming the 4000+ is the better choice ...however I am more interested only slightly
interested in gaming , more I am interested in is future proofing , re-sale value , decoding DvD ripping etc...
and gr8 multi tasking, therefore the x2 s' r an obvious choice ....but like I say the 3 in contention
3800/4200/4400 can all be o'clocked @2,4ghz ...so maybe the 4400+ with extra cache is a better buy?

FordGT90Concept Dec 17, 2005, 03:48am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 17, 2005, 03:51am EST

 
>> Re: X2 3800 vs X2 4200 vs 4000 rev E
Let's plot price vs. performance than:

Data:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_c...age35.html

Graph:
http://www.freepgs.com/stuff/pvp.png

The X2 line of processors is already near a top of the line product so, as this shows, you are paying more for the exclusiveness of having one of the higher end processors rather than performance. If you're looking for the most bang for the buck, the 3800+ X2 is the only way to go. Spend that extra $100 on something more worth while.

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