Damn that sucks. <ricky again wipes away sweat>. I was having second thoughts about returning my old mobo. I was a week away from the 30 day kiss your a$$ goodbye period. I was holding out because i didn't want to disassemble my box again, and i was pretty sure Asus wouldn't outright screw us once the facts are presented. Those white papers came straight from Intel. How can they not be correct?
So far i've tested 3dmark01 with 128/256 MB apetures, write combining with fast writing also on, all with AGP 8X enabled. Hasn't crashed yet... knock on wood. Just for kicks i'll go back to AGP 4X and see if there's any difference.

Ricky....I want to get this one thing straight. You have the new P4C800 mobo and have been running 8x , fast write on, and no crashes correct? If so, then maybe it is indeed a chipset issue. Asus pretty much told me it wasnt.

Ricky....I want to get this one thing straight. You have the new P4C800 mobo and have been running 8x , fast write on, and no crashes correct? If so, then maybe it is indeed a chipset issue. Asus pretty much told me it wasnt.

Yup, all of the above. I've been doing benchmark after benchmark and still no crash. I tried AGP 8X with everything i can think of including maximum apeture and it was all pretty much the same. The mobo does come with some overclocking options (5%, 10%..) but i couldn't use those. The bios runs thru a test to see if your box is capable, but mine wasn't. Big deal, i don't care.
Also, it's gone to sleep and no crashes. There really wasn't any peformance difference that i can see so i'm putting everything back to AGP 8X with fast writes off, and write combing on. The only thing i didn't check was performance at AGP 4X, i got tired. I'll be playing unreal tournamnent tonite and if it can survive an all night marathon, i'll consider it good to go. There are other reasons why the P4C800 is better than the loser P4G8X, just check out Asus's website.

So who is really at fault here....ATI, intel, or ASUS...im guessing if it is intel we are all screwed.)

Hell let's pass the blame around!!
Intel: there own white papers admit fault/cause/blame.
ATI: living up to their reputation of no driver support or support of any kind. Thanks ATI!
Asus: Never had a problem with an Asus board before, leaves me puzzled.

According to ATI, who I spoke with today, there is nothing wrong with there video cards. According to Asus, they at least acknowledge there has been many calls concerning the issue, but they just sat to utilize the work around in the bios, i.e. 4x, fast writes off, ect. (for now) They also told me that sending them a board for repair (rma) will only yield you a refurbished p4g8x board...no upgrade. Intel is not even working on the issue because they are focussing on getting the 875 chipset rolling along. After it has been out for a while, maybe they will work on new drivers for the e7205 chipset...but dont hold your breath.
I could be wrong, by from what I gathered today, you simply have to go to 4x mode, disable fast writes, and live with it until ATI gets around to the Catalyst 3.3, due out soon, or Asus gets on the stick and works it out with a bios revision.
Either way you go, NEITHER is taking the responsibility for it. I talked with both today, and each is pointing the finger at the other. So there you have it.
One thing I learned today. fast writes off only results in maybe 1/2 a frame per second or maybe a whole frame per second perfomance hit, according to ATI. 8x dropped to 4x is more of a concern. Not so much now, because not too many applications even take advantage of the extra bandwidth available. But....BUT...later...like when Doom 3 makes the scene...that will change everything. Hopefully, by then, Intel, Asus, and Ati will all go out and eat lunch somehere together....have a few beers, and talk about it and fix it.
I agree with one of the earlier posts. If enough of us keeps bugging them...they will be forced to do something.
As for me, I am sending my P4G8x Deluxe back to the pn-line retailer I purchased it from, and minus a 15% restock fee ($28.00) I am getting a P4C800 board instad.
For the record, my system has been stable for 3 days now.
P4G8X
2.66 P4
Radeon 9500 Pro
2 Kingston 512 PC 2700 DDR

BIOS Settings:

AGP Voltage: 1.6
AGP Aperature: 128 mb
AGP 4x
Fast Writes: disabled
Video Mem Cache: USWC
Mem Turbo: Enabled
AGP/PCI Frequency: 67.26/33.63

Hope this helps someone.

So the Asus P4C800 works...thank god...I just returned my P4G8X from googlegear..they were pretty cool about it and although I had to pay the difference...I had the restocking fee waived. NICE...thanks Ricky for running all the benchmarks and helping me sleep at night! Well I will let you all know how everything goes after I get it all together sometime next week...Remember...keep calling and bitching...and trust me.....they will do something...they might just reproduce all the P4G8X boards for rerelease but with the new AI boards coming out...who knows...good luck all....and keep moding

I'm unsure if my issue is the same as the rest:
While gaming or 3dMark'ing, I will frequently freeze or crash (black screen, locked up). Upon Re-booting, I am unable to Defrag as my Hdd's need to be checked for errors first. (Scandisk or Checkdisk). Each scan disk takes about 15+ minutes, as my two HDD's (which are in RAID 0) are checked, and a long list of random files gets deleted (UTMaps, Windows files, etc). After that, I can again Defrag. Here's the kicker though: I'm running two 40 Gig 7200RPM IDE Hdd's on RAID 0 using 2 Serial ATA to IDE converters, attached to the Serial ports on the Mobo... Any thoughts? I'm not sure if it's the SATA onboard, the SATA-to-IDEconverters, the P4G8X/drivers, or the 9700 pro causing my problems?

Again I would like to share what seemed to be a fixed for my PC.. I started raising my AGP/PCI Freq in the bios up until the system ran stable. I got this idea from ASUS tech when they told me to raise it to 67MHz. However 67Mhz didn't seem to solve it, but raising it more did. I am running it now at 70.26/35.13 and my system has been perfectly stable for days now. I have run 3Dmark03 numerous times and have been playing 3D games.. etc.. with not one lock-up. I was having them constantly before. My last post has much more info on this and I would like to know if anyone has tried it and if it helped or not.

See my last post on Apr 22, 2003, 10:29 PM

Good luck all!

this is with 8x and fast write on?

Well i was crusing along, listening to off the hook and web browsing then .... wham, the trusty 16 color ATI display we know and love. I'm going to turn off write combining to see if it happens again. Damn i hate ATI, never again bastards.

No, I am running in 4X Mode with Fast Write OFF.

See April 22 post for additional settings.

However I have ran in 8X mode with Fast Write ON before and got the same exact score in 3DMark03 as I did when running 4X mode with Fast Write OFF. I see no advantage for those features, at least not at the present time. Maybe in the future.

Don't buy an expensive mobo if your going to go cheap on the parts...

I bought my system in the middle of spring break.
I used the asus cd only to install my LAN and Sound drivers.
I have NOT updated the bios at ALL.

Specs: 2.66ghz, 2 X 512 Samsung pc3200, P4G8X Delux, 9700 PRO, Windows XP home, 440watt premier psu

Settings: 8x Agp, UCSW, 128 apeture, the rest is on the default settings

None of my temps gone past 39.5 degrees celsius
I have not had ANY lock-ups.
I have not put it through any major stress tests, however, and I'll post if I my system actually locks in the future

I've only used it to play Half-Life mods and the new C&C some so far.

Fastwrite is assinine, the P4G8X is an overclocking beast, just over clock your system some if you want the extra performance boost as long as you do not have to step down to 4x Agp

Hallo
In advance I'm sorry behind English is it machine translation.
Can somebody what understand (wherewith them possibly and threaten with) write letters and circulation on producer which we will en bloc send on Email producer and madden with them life like they madden with life to us. Costs us it money and time and time are also money. Want that do organized to knowledge do you them ours neglect doesn't need to just now pay. Or ensure signature action ( database ) somewhere on internet and send contact upon this database dissatisfied user producer to none of them couldn't say do you about it doesn't know.
thanks

ehhh....ok....right right...I understand..

LOL

I think what Vladimir is trying to say is we all need to get organized somehow and contact the maker (Ati) and (Asus) and threagthen to beat the livin' f**k out of them if they dont resolve the issue.

Ricky...******************ATTN RICKY*************************

Yo....are you saying your system is still locking up with the new mobo (P4C800) running in 8x mode????? If so, couldnt we ALL HERE at this forum rule out the idea of the chipset being at fault? After all, the e7205 is on one, and the 875p is on the other. Now both are locking the system? Call me crazy, but it has to be a ATI problem at this juncture.

Furthermore....can everyone here say that they are running the latest DirectX version? I believe it is 9a ??? Perhaps its a dirextX thing. Ya think? I'm open to any possibility.

Direct X 9a

DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL ATI!