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Christopher Fields Feb 11, 2006, 01:24pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Intel bullies companies like HP, Dell, and they even bullied Gateway. It was simple, if you don't sell Intel just intel processors, then there is no discount. Ladies and gents, when I say they processors are discounted, I mean there is a huge! disscount. Example; you and I can pay $260 for a Intel Pentium D 920 Presler 800MHz FSB 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Dual Core Processor. Dell pays just a tad under $80 for the same processor. It does not seem fair to the little guy, or does it?

I am a local OEM dealer here in my area, my information is true on the pricing. I spoke to a Chief financial officer at the E3 2005 conference last year and he told me specifically they save over 70% per unit than retail. AMD granted is not as big of a company as Intel. Only 20% of the boards manufactured in the world are AMD plat forms. AMD has risen over 12% in sales over the past 2 years.

I am a Computer Hardware Engineer. I currently own the newest FX-60 Processor on an ASUS A8N-SLI Motherboard with 2gig Corsair XMS Memory. I aslo own a FX-53 OC'd to 2.85GHz water cooled on the same board with he same memory. I have a Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 955 Presler 1066MHz FSB LGA 775 Processor along with the ASUS P5N32-SLI Deluxe Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX Intel Motherboard, I will agree this system rocks with water cooling only, but my FX-53 spanks the crap out of it.

Sure both processors have their pros and cons, but lets all admit, Hard Core Gamers use AMD Only, wannbes use Intel. Go to any Gaming Cafe in the US, I will bet my first born child that over 90% of the custom built machines are AMD proprietary, and for 1 reason only, they are cost effective and run for ever.

One word of warning for what I believe is a great chip maunfactor, "look out Nvidia, don't hop in bed with Intel just to make a buck, if they can bully the biggest company in the world to sell their machines only with Intel products, then soon they will tell you that you cannot make chipsets for AMD boards!".

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Feb 11, 2006, 01:34pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
Intel and Nvidia have always been in bed with eachother.

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Christopher Fields Feb 11, 2006, 01:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
Only since the last 2 years have they been, lol, n008. They didn't get together until intel wanted to use SLI and promised Nvidia to help on the production of their own processor in the 2nd quarter of 2005 to increase GPU performance. So with that said, they have not always been in bed together.

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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
ive always known they were with eachother even before the "official public contract" Think about it, 2 Monopolizing Bastard Corps Join Forces to Squash The Competition.

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Christopher Fields Feb 11, 2006, 01:46pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
True, Nvidia is s superior chipset, look at Intels stab at SLI with their own chipset, lol, = failed! I predict within the next 2-3 years AMD will have at least 40% of the market, after that point we will see some AMD commercials at the half time show of the Super Bowl.

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I think I was drunk when I made this post, lol.

GtoX (capt Guns) May 12, 2007, 02:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
maybe in america gaming cafes use AMD, but pretty much every gaming as well as internet cafes in sweden (and we have alot for this country) use Intel processors for their computers... Sweden is a very technologically advanced country, and people and computers here are pretty familiar with each other... but then again intel might just be bullying the computer industry in sweden to using only their processors... tricky business!
to buy a Dell computer over here we can only select core 2's, except for a few Select computers which are amd, but its very rare...

just wanted to contribute my 2 cents :)

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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
Oh sweet your from Sweden? That's freaking awesome. If I ever leave the US, I would certainly move their (or Canada). Sweden is quite tech savvy from what I have heard.

...anyway back on topic...

To the original poster, come on give me a break, every large company practices unfair business practices in one way or another.

And gamers use whatever CPU gives them the best value for the dollar. Saying Intel CPU owners are wannabes is completely ridiculous.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 May 12, 2007, 08:18pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
it all comes down to voting with your wallet

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Dublin_Gunner May 12, 2007, 09:43pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
Captain GuNs said:
maybe in america gaming cafes use AMD, but pretty much every gaming as well as internet cafes in sweden (and we have alot for this country) use Intel processors for their computers... Sweden is a very technologically advanced country, and people and computers here are pretty familiar with each other... but then again intel might just be bullying the computer industry in sweden to using only their processors... tricky business!
to buy a Dell computer over here we can only select core 2's, except for a few Select computers which are amd, but its very rare...

just wanted to contribute my 2 cents :)


Why, at this moment would you want to select anything else anyway?

If in 8 months time the AMD cpu's are better performers for the price, I'll be saying the same thing about those! Also, the post is over a year old, so AMD processors would have been well more a gaming CPU than Intel..

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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
problem is no competition is going on like it was back During the days of the P4 and AXP, It Seems both companies are making major jumps since A64 appeard. I mean the C2s have lowered the prices of exhisting A64s now. A64s are even more appealing due to the price drop, i mean majority of people are not going to spend more than 200 dollars on just the CPU.

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Christopher Fields Jun 08, 2007, 10:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
WOW, I can't believe that this post has been going on for over a year, lol.

Well I have been since reborn. I currently own the following system:

ASUS P5N-Deluxe Motherboard
Q6700 Intel Quad Core Processor 2.66GHz
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2x 160gig Seagate SCSI 15,000rmp HDD's
2x XFX 8800GTX 768mb GPU's in SLI
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and a 1kilowatt PC Power and Cooling PSU

Intel has been tramping the AMD processor for over 8 months now. I am waiting for AMD and ATI to pull there heads out and come back with a better, faster solution with more L2cache. Currently 1mb of L2 is nothing compared to Intel's 8mb of L2.

I used to be a hardcore AMD (I am still am somewhat) and ATI fan. In fact I jumped up and down for joy when I found out about the merger of the two. But I still have not seen anything from the ex-giant 2 CPU/GPU companies.

A message to ATI....................."Are you guys still alive?".

ATI has been running on the same GPU chip for almost 8 months now. They have no DX10, and even more important, they only have 16 pipeline cards. I know DX10 is not a factor right now but the current DX10 cars right now sure make playing video games really cool.

Any opinion's? All takers welcome.

Christopher Fields / CEO
Com-Tek Services Inc.
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mothow Jun 08, 2007, 11:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
Intel has always been better.Now let the flame war begin..lol...j/k

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CrAsHnBuRnXp Jun 09, 2007, 12:42am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD doesn't trust Intel, should you care? I care
Christopher Fields said:
ATI has been running on the same GPU chip for almost 8 months now. They have no DX10, and even more important, they only have 16 pipeline cards. I know DX10 is not a factor right now but the current DX10 cars right now sure make playing video games really cool.

Any opinion's? All takers welcome.

Christopher Fields / CEO
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Where have you been? AMD/ATI released their DX10 cards about a month or so ago. Its called the Radeon HD 2900XT.

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ooops, sorry I left a blank spot above. Regarding back on June 9th when I stated ATI did not have Direct X 10 Cards......................they were not available to the public the. ATI announced the release of the chip around the 1st of May and they did not hit he Shelves until the middle of July. I know, I was on the list to receive the 1st one.

And an FYI for ATI lovers, (I am still an ATI Fan boy at heart), The 2900 Series from ATI do not stack up against a 8800GTX card. The bench marks barely beat a 8800GTS 640MB XFX. I have tuned and tried both GPU's in the same board and proc. I also sold the card 2 weeks later for $200 less than retail. Lol, I made an E-Bayer happy.

In short, ATI is not catching up, I'm optimistic though, I'll keep waiting for ATI and AMD to kick it into gear.

I currently own a bad ass system boasting a AMD 6000+ Proc with 4gig Ram, 2x 8800GTS 640MB in SLI on a Nvidia 650 chipset. I also still have my Q6700 from Intel with 1 8800GTX and 4gig ram on a similar board, BFG SLI 680. I love both, the Q6700 can over clock really good and stay cool, my AMD is hotter than hell, lol, Satan has a run for his money.

I predict, AMD 2008.........A true I processor Quad Core Release, ATI will have a big release with a nice GPU. Intel seems to be a step ahead of the competition but history has proven that AMD will rule again..............................someday.

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