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kenneth yedica May 04, 2006, 06:46pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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If you want Vista and want your computer to run as fast as it does in XP then switch to MAC. Vista has the same interface and features as MAC OS 10. If you don't beieve me and you don't because you think that there's no way that Microsoft stole yes STOLE from Apple again. Well they did. Go to your nearest Apple store and test drive the MAC OS 10. It''s easier to navigate then Windows ever will be, Safari is by far superior to IE 7.


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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
Vista is so sad. From the Windows 1.0 they have never taken that much time to make an operating system. XP to Vista is about 6 years eh. Since XP came out in 01 and Vista is gonna come out in 07. And whats so new about Vista? Tons of USELESS features, pretty looking but EXTREMELY slow interface and overall NOTHING new. WTF? Okay okay, I am wrong. There are new things. Like the new security engine that is more efficient at collecting your system info and sending it to NSA....err...*cough*..*cough**... Microsoft servers, and the fact that hardware manufacturers are worshiping microsoft because they love when everybody is so screwed that they HAVE too go out and buy new hardware just to get the SAME speed out of Vista as they get from XP. ZOMGWTFLOL how nice of microsoft. I am sure that MS might screw people even more if nobody will switch to Vista so in SP3 for windows XP Dirext X 10 (Next) won't be included OR they will purpously make XP run DX10 slower so games in DX10 will have lower fps.

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A_Pickle May 04, 2006, 07:24pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
If you want Vista and want your computer to run as fast as it does in XP then switch to MAC.


You have no idea what's about to happen, do you?

If you don't beieve me and you don't because you think that there's no way that Microsoft stole yes STOLE from Apple again.


Stole from Apple? Oh, you mean like those burnable CD folders that have been in Windows XP since it's inception that Mac OS X got in the 10.4 Tiger revision? Oh, of course, Microsoft stole from Apple just like Apple didn't steal from Microsoft. It's the way the industry works -- Microsoft has to compete, so does Apple. But since you got so wordy about it and started FUD-ing to the world that Microsoft stole some stuff, shall we recount Apple's misdeeds?

First GUI - SRI's On-Line System, 1963 (NOT the Apple LISA)

Vista has the same interface and features as MAC OS 10.


Actually, Vista has a Start Menu and a systray, two things Apple still has yet to grasp. And then there's the multi-button mouse utilization. Please don't bore me with your idle rantings on how Mac OS X 10.4 supports multi-button mice... "supports" and "utilization" are two different terms, and Windows 98 hands Mac OS X 10.4 it's arse in a multi-button mousery battle.

Go to your nearest Apple store and test drive the MAC OS 10.


No need to. I installed Mac OS X on one of my PC's, one which cost me $111 to build. Did you forget to mention that itty bitty price thingymabob? I guess it "doesn't matter" or something like that, because the concept of upgrading your Mac (much less building it from the ground up) is completely foreign to the Apple world. Well, I suppose that's unfair -- you can upgrade a PowerMac (starting at $1999! :D :D :D)

Safari is by far superior to IE 7.


HA. That's about the funniest thing I've ever heard. Safari is crap, plain and simple. It's slow, it's got a dumb interface, and horrible web-rendering. Internet Explorer 7 soundly defeats it in interface, speed, and even security.

Really, I'm not an Apple hater, I'm a Mac zealot hater. Feel free to debate me on this topic. You'll lose.

Gerritt May 05, 2006, 07:06pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
I find myself as one that is ambivielent to either of the platforms mentioned.
I'm an equal opportunity destroyer.
Both the MAC and PC markets suffer from cruft, compatibility issues, as well as a non-technical requirement to keep them proprietory....same old sad song.

Can a MAC technically run PC software, and visa versa? Sure as sh... uhm, rain.

Could the users have a better platform/OS if the corporate types got off of protecting thier turf and got into extending their turf through collabaration? You betcha!

Given another few years of this continuing bickering, and everyone will be running a version of Linux and saying.. Micro who, and Isn't an apple a fruit?

Gerritt

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blah blah May 07, 2006, 11:25pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 07, 2006, 11:29pm EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
A wise man once said simplicity is genius...
I mean, come on guys.
Just disable all that flutter and flare!
End and disable useless processes et cetera.
I always keep mine down to atleast 12 processes and I've never had a problem that wasn't caused by none other than myself.
And if anything is being a "resource hog" it's the user using the machine...
An OS is an OS.
MAc or PC, all you're going to use it for is running your programs and that's it...


I don't know.
All this hype just seems a little over played.

Gerritt May 08, 2006, 01:51am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
Hey blah blah,

You may have a point.

We want our systems to do more and more, but complain about the extra overhead. In my case most of the processes that I run support security or my WORK on the PCs involved.

On my primary XP system I run 50+ processes and thats been whittled down from 70+ after extensive tuning.

On my primary Linux system I run 60+ processes.

I'd personally be afraid of getting online with a system that was only running 12 processes!
I don't even know if it would be possible given the task associated with my daily work.

Hell, I'd say that if you're down to 12 processes you may as well just stick with a gaming console, but my console actually runs more than that!

I do believe that a process count in the high 20s is achievable with some level of security, but 12....WOW.

Gerritt

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blah blah May 08, 2006, 02:27am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 08, 2006, 02:31am EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
There was a point when I just had to have everything and all that good stuff.
But now i've become more of minimalist.
Meaning, I take what I need and that's it.
Overall, I think it comes down to common sense.
"She's a predator posing as a house pet!"
Ofcourse I come across problems from time to time that are beyond my control.
But then again I've taken measures to help me get back on my feet just fast as I'm forced to eat dirt!
Sure I could find like 10 programs to protect me from all the incoming threats...
But that eats up my resources and I find it causes more problems on a day to day basis than the actual threats themselves.
But the main reason why I keep them so low is for the very fact I am a digital artist.
And boy do I chew through memory and processing power like there's no tomorrow! =]



B34NS May 08, 2006, 03:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
Funny people argue about such laughable things, I wont need Vista's interface because like many Gui enthusiasts we allready had it. We have plenty of open source programs to skin our windows to look like a mac or vista with all and even better effects than what the "pros" created. Enthusiasts win out allready, Im in no rush to lay cahs down on something I allready have LOL. If you want a pretty interface check out the multiple applications out there that make a pc do way more than you ever though , and even show mac users theyre missing out on good stuff too.I have sone a lot of visual styles and effects for windows starting back years ago in its infancy. You wont see my rushing to buy an interface that gets low ratings in the skin world allready LOL. So argue on about it but really no one wants to buy a whole new pc to run a gui that they could have allready had. just some advice from a stubborn pc user.

B34NS May 08, 2006, 03:37pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
one last thing about the IE7 /Safari comments, LMAO Neither are good browsers sorry chaps, firefox takes this one hands down, Im a web developer during the day hours and I hate IE and Safari for developing, if only people would use a real browser. and support it liek you so support ie and safari the workd would be a better place

B34NS

blah blah May 09, 2006, 09:05am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 09, 2006, 09:16am EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
Well thank god the browser wars are just about over...
It's now a matter of all browsers keeping up with the latest standards set by w3c these days.
I haven't a clue as to how to program my own browser.
But I don't understand why it's such a task for these browsers to keep up with w3c?
Well, firefox seems to be the only one trying to stay on top of the game.
After all, it really comes down to who is creating the sites and not the user.
Ok maybe 90% of the users out there are using outdated browsers.
The other 10% are more than likely the developers who are staying up to date.
With globalization coming to a peak.
It's now time for the developers to not only take browser compatibility into consideration.
But also, internationalization, accessibility(text to speech, etc), and multiple platform(cell phones, PDAs, etc) support as well.
It's all pretty confusing to me...

B34NS May 09, 2006, 12:27pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
yes this is a big problem for the company where i work for, since it is an international business the challenges of using current programs and systes is a huge challenge, just goes to show ya doing it right the first time can save a lot of headache in the future

Gerritt May 09, 2006, 11:58pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
Josh,

For a long time the critical issues with security focused around IE, as that was the most used browser.
Based upon the latest CERT advisories, security has become an issue with Firefox as well.
It's not just the code, but the user base, that drives the security suseptibility of the platforms.
As more platforms use Firefox, the efforts to expose or use the existing vulnerabilities comes to the fore.
Who is going to respond quicker? Who has the resources to respond? These are the questions that we need to debate.

Gerritt

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We all know what we know, and everyone else knows we are wrong.
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B34NS May 10, 2006, 03:48pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Windows Vista, a true resource hog?
LOL yea, this is going to be the case with the new mactels im sure as they are getting more attractive to exploit. Yea i agree firefox is in the limelight enough to get some hits soon enough. I think being vigilant is the key to alot of the actual security end of things staying informed of problems. the developer community around firefox and mozilla have been pretty quick to act on these more so than microsoft, ie hotfixes galore and oh itl get better the next service pack ya know? Hopefully this enthusiasm doesnt dim for the browser world. Alot of big business is unknowingly hinged on the security of its browsers belive it or not.


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