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Scott Bugni May 26, 2006, 03:14pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Which is a better buy for FPS gaming...

Intel Pentium 4 640 Prescott 800MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T Processor Model BX80547PG3200F - Retail $209.99

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819116197

or

Intel Pentium D 940 Presler 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core, EM64T Processor Model BX80553940 - Retail $240.00

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819116239


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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 May 26, 2006, 03:18pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Pentium D 805 or Pressler.

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Supreet Virdi May 26, 2006, 03:18pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Presler!...anytime over Smithfield and Prescotts!

Go with PentiumD, its better choice.

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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
D stands for Dual Core. D better than 4

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 May 26, 2006, 03:50pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
not all the time, the 805 CPU i was talking about is a Good Budget Chip- Smithfield (2x Prescotts) Chip, Pressler is the 65nm cpu that runs cooler than Smithfield, and overclocks higher, Considering Intel Came out with Dual Core, Hyper Threading is not needed AFAIK, it was a good feature back during the P4 Northwoods.

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Mike L. May 26, 2006, 03:56pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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It was a f**king great feature! It revolutionized the era of single core computing.

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Adam Kolak May 26, 2006, 04:07pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Wait are you talking about HT, lol? Some revolution. A loss of performance in certain apps.

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G. G. May 26, 2006, 04:18pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Scott,

between the two.... go for the Pentium D 940 over the 640.

Reason:

both are identical when it comes to core ghz, fsb, cache size and feature set.

both will run identical with each other in apps that are designed for single core.

940 will run better when it comes to multithreaded apps and apps that are designed for multi core cpus.

940 will run cooler because it is a presler design over the prescott.

for $40.00 bucks more for the 940..... you get an actual second core vs a virtual core.

Go for the 940 model... I would.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 May 26, 2006, 04:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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HT was the beginnings of Thinking of Dual Core CPUs, I have it enabled on Mine cause it does tend to make things run alot smoother when running multiple Apps, like Webbrowsers, IMs, etc there is only 1 game on my system that whines a little when i try to run other apps on 1 part of the CPU, that is due to it comming out in 1996.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 May 26, 2006, 04:24pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
930 vs 640, 930 wins out IMO.

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G. G. May 26, 2006, 04:32pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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HT really works in my system when compared to my last system that did not have it. As airman said... it just makes having mulitple apps run more smoothly.

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B34NS May 26, 2006, 04:35pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
the 775 processors with dual cores are nice i have 2 at work here, as well as 3 fx systems. Theyre more stable id say than the 478, just my opinion, or you could get an opteron i just got one "165"

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Edited: May 26, 2006, 04:53pm EDT

 
>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Wait are you talking about HT, lol? Some revolution. A loss of performance in certain apps.


A loss of performance occurred very rarely. Performance gains of around 10-15% (in multithreaded applications) were much more common.

Scott Bugni May 26, 2006, 06:01pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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thanks guys, think ill go with D. just makin sure, cause not as many reviews for it on newegg...probly cause its newer ;)

Adam Kolak May 26, 2006, 06:20pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I certainly dont miss not having HT in my Pentium 4.

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G. G. May 26, 2006, 06:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Water,

I had that very same 2.66ghz 533fsb northwood w/out HT socket 478 as you in my past system. I can definately tell the difference with my current 650 3.4ghz HT. But..... on the other hand... it could be that the 650 is faster both cpu speed and fsb plus the larger cache. hehehe... Now on the other hand.... I have tested in my own measley way to see if the HT was working.... I did a ctl alt delete to get the performance panel displayed showing the two graphs for cpu usage ( one is core and one is virtual ).... ran PI and had a couple of web browser open at the same time.... the graph shows one was 100% while the other was going up and down depending what I was doing with the web browser.... well at least for me that was how it was displayed. :) guess HT was working...

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Adam Kolak May 26, 2006, 06:46pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yeah my office PC, which is a Dell 8400 not a self built one, has a Pentium 4 540 Prescott w/HT (3.2Ghz), and its faster than my Pentium 4 Northwood @ 3.26Ghz. The Prescott 540 is running 60mhz slower than my Northwood but yest its faster but I think thats due to the fact that the Prescott core is just a faster design than the Northwood core not because of HT. Not saying HT is bad, it certainly helps, but it aint revolutionary.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 May 26, 2006, 06:59pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
IDK, ive Done Comparisons of Prescott Vs Northwood and the Northwood would beat out the Prescott.

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Edited: May 26, 2006, 07:48pm EDT

 
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EiD,

I have a different results with your northwood vs precott thing.

I was lucky enough to find a 3.2ghz 800fsb 512K cache Northwood with HT in a socket 478. :) it is in my wifes machine and it runs great. when I run benchies that are cpu based on her machine vs mine.... both are very comparable to each other sans a few points lower due to a couple hundred mhz lower on her machine. I take into account the differences in gpu's.... her cpu runs along mine except the fore mention mhz differences.

[edit] i just ran Super PI on both system. my wife's Northwood 3.2ghz 800fsb 512k cache ran 1M PI in 44sec. vs my Prescott 3.4ghz 800fsb 2mb cache ran 1M PI in 37sec. so would increasing the Northwood by "200mhz" to 3.4ghz make up the difference ?

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Adam Kolak May 26, 2006, 07:37pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Prescott runs hotter but it has more transitors and crap.

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G. G. May 26, 2006, 08:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Pentium 4 Vs. Pentium D
Water,

Not by much...... well at least not with the 600 series of Prescotts. Currently with the weather this time of year.... my system is running at 29C idle and around 40 load with a Zalman 9500 cooler and my wife's Northwood is idling at 26C and around 38 load with a Zalman 7000 cooler according to both motherboards sensors. Both are in very small cases, a desktop (mine) and mid SFF (wife's) both having much more challenging conditions when compared to a mid to full size tower in itself. You have see both mine and wife's system pictures (link to pictures in sig). Now in the winter time... both systems run much cooler.

So... you really cant brush stroke all Prescotts run hot. Maybe the earlier versions as in the Prescott socket 478 to the early 500 series... but the 600 series does very well.

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