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CrAsHnBuRnXp Jul 14, 2006, 12:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I am not to much a fan of Intel, but no fanboy of AMD neither, but I will admit, Intel has come out with a processor that will probably hold the bar against AMD for a while. These processors are very impressive.

It's about time that Intel takes the lead again. You just have to wonder what AMD has (if at all) to counter these new Intel processors.


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>> Re: Intel's Core 2 Duo, leveling the playing field
If only I had some more money right now, oh well, I guess by the time I have enough money to build a new system, Intel will have thier Core 3 Trio out.

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>> Rather a Core 8, or even a Core 64

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Well John,
At the lower end of the market there may still be growth with all the current users of OEM systems that utilize early editions of mostly P4's & some A64 CPU's and are looking to upgrade to the Core 2 Duo @ a reasonable cost. Most of them will be graduating from the newbie, first time buyer ranks and looking for more performance. Unless the OEM's flood the market with low cost PD's and A64's, I firmly believe most buyers will be seriously interested in the new technology, IMHO.
Anyone above the lowe end user, all the way up to the enthusiast's will welcome this new line of CPU's with open arms. Especially loyal Intel user's who've taken a bashing from the AMD fanboys on the performance of the P4/PD line of CPU's. While software always seems slow to follow the hardware upgrades, it always does. Let's not forget that internet bandwith is also improving with Verizon's FIOS and streaming video on computers will also increase hardware performance requirements. I'm sure that there are other areas of need as well that will utilize these high performance CPU's. Let's also not forget the reduction in power required and as a result, lower heat output. Heat is the #1 killer of electronics and should be reduced at almost all cost.
In summation, I predict a banner year for Intel with the new Core2Duo makings it's prescence felt at every level. Woodcrest is also set to regain the server market share deservedly taken by the Opteron line and Merom resoundingly will outperform anything in AMD's mobile lineup as the Core Duo already does, Turion X2 included.

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AMD has yet to release 65nm CPUs.

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It is really hard to believe how much Core Duo kills AMD's products. I've never seen a single CPU beat the opposition THAT BAD.

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it was a major leap of faith for intel dude, it took intel few years to finally catchup in architecture. At least there will be strong competition and lowering of CPU prices, because think about it the AMD X2 4000, is gonna be the best budget Range CPU, Considering you should be able to push up to 2.6 ghz easily (X2 5000) or 2.8 (FX 62). and Intel Pressler should start dropping in Price.

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AMD has yet to release 65nm CPUs.


Isn't AMD making their quad cores 65nm? I thought I read somewhere (can't remember where) that AMD's upcoming cpu's were going to be based on 65nm. Not sure though.

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Points well made D Harley, but obviously whether broadband services that you describe will have enough content of the type that it alone drives $1,000 PC purchases (in hard strapped homes nowadays) is very debatable. You see what most call the lower end of the market in this arrogant, hyped PC industry (no offense intended) is actually the mainstream market.

It is the tens of millions of purchases of, for example, pc games made by mainstream gamers that allow the Half Life 2's and Doom 3's and Oblivion's (that are used on this site specifically to show how $800 video cards are worth the money), that will only run, at best, on about 20% of home PC's that are used, at least in part, for game playing.

It is because we are seeing fewer mainstream games of any quality between the examples I give above that the PC games market is down over 20% in the U.S. and nearly 30% in the UK. just in the last 12 months. With little sign of the decline not continuing in the next 12 months based on most expert's opinions. It is not being talked about because the much bigger console market is also struggling and that is getting all the column inches.

But a fast declining PC games market will not help turn around the home end of the market for all this new hardware that this thread relates to. And it is the hardcore technofiles, at home, that drive new technology until prices fall. My point is there will be too few of them to affect the market before the mainstream find other hobbies to entertain them. (Stamp collecting/Console gaming/DVD watching, who knows!), as based on current pc gaming/sales trends, they are already doing.

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the K8L is 2 Toledo/Manchester/Windsor Dual Core CPUs squished together. Future Quadcore will consist of 65nm. Besides Dual Core can be developed much further, heck Single Core still has a large amt of headroom for development.

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G. G. Jul 14, 2006, 10:50pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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"Core Duo kills AMD's products. I've never seen a single CPU beat the opposition THAT BAD" -- Sovietdoc


and that's with the "age old FSB" and "NO onboard memory controller". :P

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Mike L. Jul 15, 2006, 12:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Don't forget that, that "age old FSB" is and always was Intel's downfall. Tsk, tsk.. Oh save us AMD! Save us from this treachery.

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I know that Conroe has beaten the pants off AMD at this point, but I still think it would have been better had the article not claimed a head-to-head test between the FX-62 and Core 2 Duo Extreme, because it was actually a socket 939 FX-60 (@ 2.8) using DDR400 instead of a real socket AM2 FX-62 using DDR2-800. Since the new AMD CPUs utilize the same type of memory as the Intel chips, it just makes sense to test them with the same RAM. Which is easy to do if you have access to an actual FX-62. I have always taken synthetic benchmarks with a big grain of salt, but it only exacerbates the problem when you are also using tweaked stand-ins and extrapolating what the performance should be had you the genuine article. It's yet another level removed from the "real world," and it's unnecessary considering that the FX-62 has been out for awhile now.

That said, the gaming benchmarks shown in the charts shows enough of a margin of victory for Conroe that the gist is the same: Intel has trounced AMD for the first time in years.

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Man, way too much melodrama in this thread :).

Ah yes, the token "relevant" thing; ...yaaay, conroe is out. *waves tiny flags*

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Just AMAZING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Any of you realize that the test were ran against a 2-3 year old product? No sh*t will the corne out beat the AMD since its a whole new processor build. AMD is still using the k8, even in its AM2 processors. Wait till either K8L or 9 comes out. Then start basing Intel Vs AMD. Right now its stupid to even do test ebcause a moron would tell you a new processor will out beat a old one.

Adam Kolak Jul 17, 2006, 05:05pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Calm down people, its a freaking CPU. Just because it's faster than AMD's top CPU doesn't mean you have to have a hissy fit.

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Dublin_Gunner Jul 17, 2006, 05:25pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Any of you realize that the test were ran against a 2-3 year old product? No sh*t will the corne out beat the AMD since its a whole new processor build. AMD is still using the k8, even in its AM2 processors. Wait till either K8L or 9 comes out. Then start basing Intel Vs AMD. Right now its stupid to even do test ebcause a moron would tell you a new processor will out beat a old one.



Well that is the most fanboyish comment I've seen in this thread. Do you think P4 was brand new when A64's hit the shelves???
Come on now, you're trying to use a defense that Intel fanboys used when A64 v P4 was the big thing. How very hypocritical.

Regardless of the fact that K8 is 3yrs old, Conroe is, and will be for a good while, the[ most powerful desktop CPU your money can buy.

No excuses needed, its a great chip.

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Hsin Yang Ho Jul 18, 2006, 08:21am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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The results are seriously shocking, but as said before, the benchmarking isn't ALL that fair.. for one yeah, they should have used the DDR2 rams instead of the DDR400. Only a pure benchmarking i feel is the the actual change in JUST the processor and mother board..

That said, i have believes in AMD that they will pull out their big guns. However, this DOES excite me coz i know that the laptop versions will be released soon after, and well yeah, most laptops run on the Intel chip

Dublin_Gunner Jul 18, 2006, 08:33am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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All reviews I've seen compare it to AM2 platforms with DDR2.

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