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pcgammerm Jul 24, 2006, 11:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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"The fact that Intel has a large established base of integrated chipsets, both on the desktop and in the mobile market, that will run Microsoft’s upcoming Vista operating system, whereas AMD doesn’t, obviously doesn’t bode well for AMD either."

hmmm thats odd to hear, i thought that many of the chipsets where capable of working on vitsa, and wouldn't it merly take a driver update to make it work fine anyway?
if not then that sucks, but i was looking at upgrading at some point anyway.

also i wonder if this will coinside with the price drops. in other words i wonder of ati dars will get cheaper too. i kinda doubt it, but cool if they do. i've been more of a fan of nvidia due to the fact that they had it better for dual screens for some time, i'm not sure about that now though


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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
I always figured that AMD would buyout nVidia, lol. Then we would have nVidia CPUs and AMD GPUs, not to mention 8 to 16 videocard cores in one system :D. Can anybody say overkill? lol


This will be most intresting, that is for sure :). I wonder how the companies will complament each other....and how this move will effect the strong relationship AMD has with nVidia? Does this mean that the AMD nForce days are limited? I sure hope not!

"Unfortunately for AMD they don’t have much of a presence in that market, primarily due to the fact that they supply mobile CPU’s, but not the core logic."

You know, while that statement is true, I always considered the nForce chipset to be "The Offical Chipset of AMD". And like I stated above, I wonder if this means no more nForce for AMD :(

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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
It's good that AMD and ATI getting together, both are great companies and if it means that AMD will appeal more to laptop vendors and hopefully gain more presence.

It's going to be very interesting to see where they can take this partnership.


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Is Ruby still going to be red or now green (AMD color)?

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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
@Lou,

Is Ruby still going to be red or now green (AMD color)?


I'm guessing a mix, hence some shade of brown, how multicultural is that? A corporate mascotte that isn't white?

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guru Shane Jul 24, 2006, 03:05pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
If Intel merges with Nvidia, that will probably mean that AMD has just sunk their chances at ever dominating the market.

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I always hoped nvidia would merge with nvidia aswell because i liked amd's erlier ablilty to dominate even though they were the underdog, and from my presonal experiences nvidia's site is better and they offer nuch better solutions for the midrange and low-range market, and, if im not mistaken, they are "going faster" with there top end than ati aswell.

I guess with amds low marketshare they wouldn't have been able to take control of nvidia but it would of been cool if nvidia had bought them because if intel sees this as a threat and buys nvidia amd is doomed.

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Mike L. Jul 24, 2006, 04:04pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well who knows, but Nvidia makes amazing chipsets and that's a fact. So far, from what I've been reading up on the nForce 590SLI Intel Edition, it looks to be a real killer. In some instances besting Intel's own 975X. Not to mention the flexibility i.e (Quad) SLI.

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i think this merger was for a good of the colony. in the desktop market nvidia is more of the powerhouse when it comes to graphics but if ati gpu's started to go the way of the xbox 360s gpu (most notably 10 MB embedded DRAM that has a 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRA) then the would easily dominate nvidia on the desktop side. not to mention with amds new HTX socket which could be used for almost anything, i could easily see them owning everybody. they are going to have a much more flexible computer to talor to every ones specific needs. but i still wish they decided to elope with nividia instead.

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I had seen this coming for quite some time, and have been sorry to see it from the very beginning. I'm a definite Nvidia and AMD fan. But, with this merger, it look like there could possibly be no more nForce chipset for AMD (by far the best chipset for an AMD socket).
And also, it could lead to the end of AMD systems with SLI, though it would be not smart for either AMD or Nvidia to end their relationship.

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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
All this scare-mongering is getting ridiculous. You think AMD would dump their most mature chipset [nForce] manufacturer?? Give me a break.

AMD & Intel both know that people may wish to buy either an ATi OR an nVidia based card, and its in their best interest that their boards support both, especially on the high end enthusiast market, namely crossfire & SLI.

I also believe people are forgetting that AMD dont make motherboards, their partners do, partners that have very close relationships with nearly ALL chipset manufacturers (obviously including nVidia). And I dont see them starting to manufacture motherboards either, sure they might throw out a few reference designs for future ATI based chipsets, but they dont have the capacity to make & supply their own motherboards.

Where this is the best move for AMD, will be in the pre-built OEM market, where they can now have a better developed integrated gfx platform, which will obviously please the likes of HP/DELL etc, especially in the business sector where Intel machines reign supreme.

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guru Shane Jul 24, 2006, 05:55pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
I can't see AMD dumping Nvidia, but, if Intel merges with Nvidia, it would be in both Intel and Nvidia's best interests to dump AMD. If the competition loses ground, that would only make their profits increase, so it's not like they would be losing money. Intel has already said that they are dumping Crossfire support.

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Intel has already said that they are dumping Crossfire support.
Really? I have a feeling this will hurt Intel more then ATI. Where'd you hear this?

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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
Intel wont mere with / aquire nVidia.

I for one dont belive nVidia being taken over by anybody (especially Intel) would be a good idea, they do just fine on their own, and are a MUCH larger company than ATI. They would cost too much to aquire.

Cant be bothered googling, but anyone know what nVdia's net worth is (turnover/profit/assets)??

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Beavis Khan Jul 24, 2006, 06:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Market capitalization:

INTC: ~101B
AMD: ~8.4B
NVDA: ~6.9B
ATYT: ~5.0B

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guru Shane Jul 24, 2006, 06:59pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Josh, I forget where I seen it, but I found another page with similar thoughts.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/07/24/intel_pulls_ati_chipset_license/
"Intel has already dropped support for CrossFire on its 965-series chipsets and it is unclear whether Intel will continue to design chipsets that support multi-GPU technologies. The company has been hinting at moving GPU tasks back onto the CPU for a few months now."

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Yeah I was readin a good bit about Intels mini-core project, and bringing GPU operations back to the CPU also which could prove to be a much more powerful way to process GFX.

I guess we'll see

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This more than alliance might be the last drop nvidia and intel need to kill amd/ati. After all, if they merge, why can't nvidia and intel? As both nvidia and intel are the leaders in their industries, intel in processor and nvidia in videocard, they might as well just STOMP on amd/ati.

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Mike L. Jul 25, 2006, 12:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
They're not going to merge, they don't care to merge with eachother. Also, from what I recall, ATI's stocks were dropping considerably from some months ago. I personally think this merger was to get ATI out of some deep water before it got too serious. Then ofcourse there are other reasons. Intel probably dropped support for Crossfire from their platform because they had finally realized that it was a waste (as anything ATI makes is). Nvidia has a partnership deal with Intel as they've already started manufacturing chipsets for them since early this year. Which to my understanding will only get better. To all you guys who think Nvidia will turn their backs on ATI are crazy, no such thing would ever happen; and if it did, AMD would be the one to lose out, not Nvidia.

Anyways, to DublinGunner and guruShane, I too saw some sort of article on Anandtech about some new technology that Intel is working on. Specifically a CMOS voltage regular on the actual CPU itself. Apparently it will be much more efficient at "switching" and regulating power without the amount of wasted electricity that we see today. Seems very promising and interesting.

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There is no chance of an Intel/NVIDIA merger. Intel is way too large and dominant in the field for such a buyout to get a green light from the anti-trust people in US or EU. Personally, I think that the AMD/ATI announcement may be a bit premature for the same reason. Not saying that it won't happen, but that if/when it does, it will only be after long and careful scrutiny by the DOJ and their EU counterpart to insure that competition in the industry remains robust.

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>> Re: Re: AMD merges with ATI, the world turned upside down?
Intel probably dropped support for Crossfire from their platform because they had finally realized that it was a waste (as anything ATI makes is).



Mike L, I have to say I'm very disappointed to read such a baseless faboy-ish statement in your post.

Please clarify why you think anything ATI makes is a waste? Do you own anything made by ATI?

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