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Sherome Douglas Feb 12, 2007, 12:56pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: So you think you've cracked it....
I do not understand why a portion of the computer enthusiast community is so intent on ripping off the industry that makes their hobby/job/lifestyle possible.

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Sherome Douglas Feb 12, 2007, 01:55pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Altough I admit I've downloaded vista I have planned on purchasing a license next week. I'm not prepared to have my PC hardware messup and not be able to have repaired under warranty....

Shawn Langley Feb 13, 2007, 06:07am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Having voices in your head is normal. Listening to them, common. Arguing, acceptable. However, when you lose the argument, you're in trouble.
Sander Sassen Feb 13, 2007, 06:28am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well, considering the fact that Microsoft has different pricing depending on what region of the world you live in I can see why some people would rather opt to get a cracked copy than pay up to twice the price Vista retails for in the US. The question is what is to be labelled illegal, Microsoft's pricing policy? Or the fact that some people think the pricing is ridiculous and use other means to get their copy? For example the same $250 Vista Ultimate Retail box costs 500-euro here, that's well over a 100% increase in price.

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Ecosse Feb 13, 2007, 06:55am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I was in New York in 2005 and couldn't believe the price I could get XP Pro for, more than half of the UK price.

Now if that ain't piracy I ain't proud to be a Scot ;)

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4Qman Feb 13, 2007, 07:10am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Im all for supporting developers, however its just to expensive,. I mean how can a parent afford to run legit copys of windows on all the Pc's in the house.

I can understand Companys paying as its a business and they will gain profit from the use of PC's.

I for one will purchase a copy of windows Vista legally. When and only when i have the spare cash, :cool: Why as i use it everyday and i think its a marked improvment over XP,. Feels more alive and i just like it. :D

Until then the crackers will crack and solve the tasks Mircosoft set upon them. And microsoft shall still sell there expect 400million copys. 1less from me at the moment,. :)



Dublin_Gunner Feb 13, 2007, 07:17am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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There's a little batch file you can get. Run it and it automatically performs the operations to make your trial extend until 2099.

Makes pirating the copy even easier. Although, is it piracy? Probably not, but it is against the EULA i'm sure.

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Carl Martin Feb 13, 2007, 07:57am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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4Qman said:
Im all for supporting developers, however its just to expensive,. I mean how can a parent afford to run legit copys of windows on all the Pc's in the house.


Well, when I was a lad my parents used to save until they could afford to buy the things we needed. If they couldn't afford something we did without.

Ecosse Feb 13, 2007, 08:06am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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2099 you say DG - what will we be doing then???:

1. Microsoft will have launched their newest OS called HWA (The Jack Sparrow Edition)

2. The latest gadget will be a 12 megapixal mobile phone - it's a neat thing and no mistake but the screen takes a bit getting used to being a 42" plasma!

3. Sinclair will have just held a press conference to say they are to release the long awaited XBox 5000 killing ZX82 - it promises a new and improved tape drive and a huge 14" monitor!

4. Sony are still trying to sell their millionth PS3 - it's been on the shelves now for 92 years and still no one will buy it unless they get a free fire extinguisher!

5. HWA meet for their annual "game on" in New York - their 4500 members all bring along their trusty Dell "Amdtel" 100Ghz lappy's - McFly brings a Gateway PII desktop just to be different, the lil' scamp!

:cool:

Sounds worth the wait :D

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Beavis Khan Feb 13, 2007, 08:23am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Sander Sassen said:
For example the same $250 Vista Ultimate Retail box costs 500-euro here, that's well over a 100% increase in price.


Vista Ultimate retails for $399 in the US; I've seen it as cheap as ~$355 so far. Still not quite in the 500 euro ballpark, but not quite as bad as $250 makes it sound...

DublinGunner said:
Makes pirating the copy even easier. Although, is it piracy? Probably not, but it is against the EULA i'm sure.


You haven't purchased the software, you're running it as if you had, therefore, it's piracy. Seems pretty cut and dried to me...

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Josh Feb 13, 2007, 09:06am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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You haven't purchased the software, you're running it as if you had, therefore, it's piracy. Seems pretty cut and dried to me...

Except for, M$ already allows for a 'trial' period of it. If you're using it in that trial period, according to your logic, it's piracy.:|

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Beavis Khan Feb 13, 2007, 09:19am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Except for, M$ already allows for a 'trial' period of it. If you're using it in that trial period, according to your logic, it's piracy.:|


What trial period? There is no officially sanctioned "trial period" that I've heard about. If you're talking about the time between installation and activation, well, that is not what I (nor Microsoft, most likely) would call a trial period.

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Josh Feb 13, 2007, 10:16am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Josh said:
Except for, M$ already allows for a 'trial' period of it. If you're using it in that trial period, according to your logic, it's piracy.:|


What trial period? There is no officially sanctioned "trial period" that I've heard about. If you're talking about the time between installation and activation, well, that is not what I (nor Microsoft, most likely) would call a trial period.

Ok, whatever you want to call it. There's still a time that you have before activation.

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Feb 13, 2007, 10:21am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ecosse Feb 13, 2007, 08:06 AM
5. HWA meet for their annual "game on" in New York - their 4500 members all bring along their trusty Dell "Amdtel" 100Ghz lappy's - McFly brings a Gateway PII desktop just to be different, the lil' scamp!

XD ... and don't you mean New New York? :)

Big Beavis Feb 13, 2007, 09:19 AM
What trial period? There is no officially sanctioned "trial period" that I've heard about. If you're talking about the time between installation and activation, well, that is not what I (nor Microsoft, most likely) would call a trial period.

Correcto ... that would be Microsoft likes to call the "grace period," which is for legit customers. If there were a trial period, MS would be giving away discs at newstands.

Michael A. Feb 13, 2007, 08:03pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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It seems lately software companies think they can treat their customers like crap by releasing broken or incomplete products and then refusing to offer refunds or support. Mostly games come to mind, but with today's EULAs you never know what you're getting into. Opening a box may void your warranty before you even know what it was.

I've made it a policy of mine to not buy software any more until I've downloaded the full retail copy and tried it out. Some people would call that piracy, but it's saved me more time and money than I can even begin to explain.

It surprises me how many games or programs I download that end up being uninstalled after five minutes. I downloaded a torrent of Vista Ultimate and have it running off the 30-day activation trial period. It's alright, but it isn't good enough to replace XP as my everyday OS.

Personally, I'd rather break the law downloading a torrent than be a sucker and throw away $400.

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Scumbag Blues Feb 13, 2007, 08:14pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I agree with Michael in that I feel that we, as the consumer, should be allowed to try out the software in its entirety before purchasing. The companies should not complain because this is often the rule in other businesses far less profitable i.e. my dad's flower shop, or my friend's ice cream parlour.

Yes, it is still deemed piracy, but, to be honest, the greater of the two evils is having the consumer pay for a product, then refuse to refund it when the product was no where near as good as they thought it would be or just plain forcing the consumer to buy a "newer" product.

However, when I see people complain about the pricing (I do sympathize with those with inflated prices however), it just makes me wonder how many of these people are the same people who bought their $300 iPods, $3000 PCs, $5000 TVs, $50000 Cars, $4000 furniture set ups, $100/month "tubes" and so on. No complaints here. My basic rule of thumb is this: if you need it, save up for it and get it, otherwise, don't complain.

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Sean Costello Feb 13, 2007, 10:50pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Big Beavis said:
Sander Sassen said:
For example the same $250 Vista Ultimate Retail box costs 500-euro here, that's well over a 100% increase in price.


Vista Ultimate retails for $399 in the US; I've seen it as cheap as ~$355 so far. Still not quite in the 500 euro ballpark, but not quite as bad as $250 makes it sound...

DublinGunner said:
Makes pirating the copy even easier. Although, is it piracy? Probably not, but it is against the EULA i'm sure.


You haven't purchased the software, you're running it as if you had, therefore, it's piracy. Seems pretty cut and dried to me...


retail pricing is definately 'out-to-lunch'
, i finally settled on: (EDIT: canadian $$$)
2xultimate retail - $339.42each
9xpremium $59each
1xBusiness French OEM $179.16

as for piracy.. microsoft offers a 45 day money back policy, and 30 day, 3 times extendable, (120days) pre-activation period, during this time vista will recieve full support. Microsoft claims it's illegal to use this time without paying for the licence first, however as stated in the Vista EULA, it's a country per country case wheather it's piracy, as each country has it's own laws, and no EULA can change that.

for instance in canada, i've found out in canadian law it's completely grey.. and has no legal precident.. therfore under canadian law: completely legal until legal precident is established... so for canadians it safe to aquire a copy of vista and run it up to 120days for free
.. in the united states, it's NOT, you have to buy it, try it.. and if you dont like it. you have to call 1-800-MICROSOFT and return it before 45 days for a refund, there is no legal option for a free trial.. only a money back policy

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pfft ..f**k that! (almost sounds like work)
Beavis Khan Feb 14, 2007, 09:28am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Phil verhey said:

for instance in canada, i've found out in canadian law it's completely grey.. and has no legal precident.. therfore under canadian law: completely legal until legal precident is established... so for canadians it safe to aquire a copy of vista and run it up to 120days for free
.. in the united states, it's NOT, you have to buy it, try it.. and if you dont like it. you have to call 1-800-MICROSOFT and return it before 45 days for a refund, there is no legal option for a free trial.. only a money back policy


Very interesting Phil...my guess is that the US will get intelligence on WMD in Canada soon, you'll be invaded, and your copyright laws will be, ahem, "modified" :P

So a question to all the people here (in the US) who seem to think they have a moral right to pirate software - have you ever written your members of Congress, a letter to the editor, hell, a paper in school on the subject? Talked to your friends, co-workers, parents, etc? Have you ever tried to do anything to legally advance fair use and consumer rights, aside from firing up your BT client? If so, I applaud your efforts. If not, well, get off your high horse and buy some f**king software already. People like you are at least as big a part of the problem as companies like Microsoft that think they own us and our computers. I never, ever thought I'd take Microsoft's side in a debate like this... :|

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Scumbag Blues Feb 14, 2007, 10:42am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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They can't, otherwise, some people up here in some certain government positions will get real cranky.

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