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Sander Sassen Apr 26, 2007, 07:41am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well, I've been a Linux user for quite some years now, but only on the server side, because the majority of my desktop applications run on Windows. I've had a hard time justifying to switch to Linux and using Vmware because of the performance penalty. With Ubuntu however you get an operating system that has 90% of all the applications you use on a daily basis preinstalled, OpenOffice, FireFox, etc. etc. I think this might fit the bill exactly for all those people looking for something simple, yet effective, and above all, free of charge.

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Robyn Hahn Apr 26, 2007, 08:57am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Ubuntu here, Ubuntu there, Ubuntu everywhere?
I made the switch to Ubuntu - the specter of Vista was the catalyst. The install and setting up of all the shares and additional software involved a bit of a learning curve - I would even say, a *steep* learning curve - but I think that learning curve is starting to taper off now. I'm becoming comfortable with Terminal, use Synaptic preferentially for new installs because it's so brainless and consistent, and have been able to get 95% of what I need to do on a PC working in Ubuntu. Very stable, fast, and most of all, because of the eye candy of Beryl, fun. Heaps of fun!
May I recommend, however, a very important read before making the leap to actually switching to Linux (of any description)? It's:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
Very well put article on what Windows is and Linux is, and ... well, have a read.

Ed Drerup Apr 26, 2007, 09:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have tried the Ubuntu Live CD and found it quite usable, however it's my understanding that the CD is quite limited in the amount of programs it has available and that there are hundreds of programs available if it installed to your hard drive, either stand alone or dual booted. I still find the fairly heavy use of command line input to be beyond most casual users or at least has a higher learning curve than windows.

As your article mentions, Vista is way overpriced in my opinion for the marginal improvements. Eye candy just isn't enough.

Ed

shuja rahman Apr 26, 2007, 09:07am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yup sander, there is no doubt in it.....
But only the problem here is that the Microsoft gives a very friendly environment...U have to buy Office DVD, Adobe And lots of other software for it...

While in linux, like in fedora(new version),,,,U have almost every thing that u daily use......but its still a little complex(a little :{ )......And peoples goes after that whose market is a the top...
U know micro soft is just for entertainment, while linux is for serious works,,,like server side..
U know that Microsoft too use Linux in their servers for security :P

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Bitmap Apr 26, 2007, 10:06am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ubuntu is a great operating system, in my opinion, for the everyday user. It's quick, it's rather simplistic, and it's got most everything you could ever need. Granted, at times, Driver support may be slightly lacking, but what can you do? Not every major (or minor) hardware company is actually coding drivers for Linux.

The only thing that may really set a few people off is installing new software. Packages. Nothing a little research won't help. Otherwise, I say it's great for average Joe. Clean, sleek, quick, and, of course the main perk, free! :D

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Ed Drerup Apr 26, 2007, 10:15am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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What about security. Is Linux as vulnerable as Windows? Is there security software available?

Ed

FingerMeElmo87 Apr 26, 2007, 10:37am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 26, 2007, 10:43am EDT

 
>> Re: Re: Ubuntu here, Ubuntu there, Ubuntu everywhere?
where can this Vmware and Synaptic be found? can you run any windows app with that? and how does it work? which one is better? do you need to change your drivers?

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Enrique I Apr 26, 2007, 10:48am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ed Drerup said:
What about security. Is Linux as vulnerable as Windows? Is there security software available?

Ed


No. Linux doesn't have as many exploits for two reasons. The first being, like a Mac, most exploits are for Windows. That's not to say that there aren't exploints for Linux. Adding onto that, it is harder to write exploits for Linux since there is a large community of quality programmers going through the source code, unlike Windows, where there is a small community (obviously hired by MS), sifting through the closed source code.

Yes, there is security software available for Linux.

FingerMeElmo87 said:
where can this Vmware be found? can you run any windows app with that? and how does it work?


If Vmware is not on the Ubuntu CD, it can be downloaded as a package off of the ubuntu website.

You can run most windows applications with it. Obviously, performance relies heavily on how advanced the software is, and how fast your own computer is.

For example, you will have a tough time running Half Life 2 in vmware with a 1.8ghz P4.

It works by emulating Windows DLLs, much like Windows Emulation Software for Mac.

Juan Francisco Saavedra Apr 26, 2007, 10:48am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ubuntu is great. Really, it is. It was my first contact with Linux and I will always be thankful to it. I've learned a LOT thanks to it, and mainly, the breaking-up with Windows less painful.:)
But:
After researching and installing other Linux distros, I have to say, that Ubuntu is far behind some of them, such as : Fedora, Debian and, my personal favourite, openSuSE ;).
I'm actually runing openSuSE with dual-boot, and got to say is rather better than Ubuntu. Though Ubuntu offers something not usually available : the live cd.:_)
Before ending up, three more things:
-SuSE 10.2 + Beryl goes more than fine on my computer WHICH DOESN'T MEET VISTA MINIMUM SPECS. So, I can assure you, Linux is much faster. (Though startup is a bit slower).
-Security is AWESOME.
-Careful with audio and video codecs.

John Bailey Apr 26, 2007, 10:50am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ed Drerup said:
What about security. Is Linux as vulnerable as Windows? Is there security software available?

Ed


No viruses in the wild, no spyware that can run on Linux of any flavor. At least, not yet... It can still be hacked, but in day to day use you run as a user not administrator. So it is more difficult to be compromised. If someone tells you that any computer is 100% secure, they lie.

E Mid Apr 26, 2007, 11:09am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Tried Ubuntu on my Laptop, very charming indeed.
Only problem I keep having is to connect to WLAN networks with the built-in Intel 3295ABG WLAN chip. Anyone managed in some easy steps?

dark41 Apr 26, 2007, 12:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I haven't used Linux since Slackware 7.1.

Does Ubuntu installed to a RAID 0 array? And will it connect to Windows 2003 SBS? Thanx in advance.

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John Ingram Apr 26, 2007, 12:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Seems okay for the office; but for the home? Games? Education software? Joysticks? Steering Wheels? Retro compatiblity for your old win98 games that you can get to work in XP compatibility mode, etc etc.

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for those of you with questions go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org

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Michael A. Apr 26, 2007, 02:35pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Ubuntu here, Ubuntu there, Ubuntu everywhere?
Sander,

I don't mean to nitpick, but I think that "Ubuntu is the African word for..." is a bit vague as there are over two thousand languages on the African continent. :)

I believe ubuntu comes from one of the Bantu languages, but I'm not sure.

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Sander Sassen Apr 26, 2007, 03:07pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Michael,

I don't mean to nitpick, but I think that "Ubuntu is the African word for..." is a bit vague as there are over two thousand languages on the African continent.


I know, that was on purpose, as I have to mind my audience, not many Americans would catch my drift if I had made reference to the Congolese language, as for Africa, we all know were Africa lies right?

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Michael A. Apr 26, 2007, 03:25pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Sander Sassen said:
Michael,

I don't mean to nitpick, but I think that "Ubuntu is the African word for..." is a bit vague as there are over two thousand languages on the African continent.


I know, that was on purpose, as I have to mind my audience, not many Americans would catch my drift if I had made reference to the Congolese language, as for Africa, we all know were Africa lies right?

Best regards,


Americans aren't stupid as popular media would have one believe. It's just our government, trust me. :)

I'm pretty sure most Americans know where Africa is and that the Congo is there and not in say, Asia or South America.

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B Apr 26, 2007, 03:26pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have heard of it but I am hesitant to try it.

I don't think it will ever be very popular considering the monopoly Microsoft has. Most of my friends haven't heard of it either.

Sander Sassen Apr 26, 2007, 03:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Brendan,

If you download the bootable CD and boot from it it won't install anything on your system, but you can try out all the basic functionality, that's one of the perks of the bootable CD, just give it a try, it'll only cost you some bandwidth and a blank CDR.

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B Apr 26, 2007, 03:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Sander Sassen said:
Brendan,

If you download the bootable CD and boot from it it won't install anything on your system, but you can try out all the basic functionality, that's one of the perks of the bootable CD, just give it a try, it'll only cost you some bandwidth and a blank CDR.


Wow I was unaware of that. I wasn't ready to partition my HD just so I could use Ubuntu. This makes me wanna try it...

What are the main reasons to use it over Windows XP?

I'm downloading it now. :)

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>> Re: Re: Ubuntu here, Ubuntu there, Ubuntu everywhere?
Michael Adames said:
Sander Sassen said:
Michael,

I don't mean to nitpick, but I think that "Ubuntu is the African word for..." is a bit vague as there are over two thousand languages on the African continent.


I know, that was on purpose, as I have to mind my audience, not many Americans would catch my drift if I had made reference to the Congolese language, as for Africa, we all know were Africa lies right?

Best regards,


Americans aren't stupid as popular media would have one believe. It's just our government, trust me. :)

I'm pretty sure most Americans know where Africa is and that the Congo is there and not in say, Asia or South America.

If you really wanna get technical, here's what the great Wikipedia says about the word "Ubuntu"

The name of the distribution comes from the Zulu and Xhosa concept of ubuntu, which means “I am what I am because of who we all are”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29

For the article just on the word alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28ideology%29

Ubuntu, pronounced /ùbúntú/, is a sub-Saharan African ethic or humanist ideology focusing on people's allegiances and relations with each other. The word has its origin in the Bantu languages of Southern Africa. Ubuntu is seen as a traditional African concept.

...

There are many possible translations in English for ubuntu, including:

* "Humanity towards others"
* "I am because we are"
* "I am what I am because of what we all are"
* "A person 'becomes human' through other persons"
* "A person is a person because of other persons"

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