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andrew kairis Apr 30, 2007, 02:42am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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That title is not meant to be insulting, its a political reference.

When the linux et al crew somehow work around DirectX or get people to somehow port to whatever other platform. THAT will be microsofts downfall.

I may like the idea of a free product giving MS a run for its money (they always do best when under pressure of losing market share) but until I can do EVERYTHING on it that I can do on windows ( LIKE GAME!) Its never going to be the main OS on my PCs.

However , crack DirectX and get a linux or other OS that can handle everything I can do on windows, without it being unstable, I would put it on my next PC without much second thought.

Can Mac OS X run on a common x86-64 platform? I like that OS.


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andrew kairis Apr 30, 2007, 02:47am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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in other news. its pretty pathetic that the vista driver situation has ended up like this
One driver writer was quoted as saying "Vista just came out of nowhere!"

IT TOOK FIVE YEARS TO MAKE YOU MORON!! YOU HAD AT LEAST 3 YEARS ADVANCE WARNING!

Bitmap Apr 30, 2007, 02:50am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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You're not going to be playing many games on Mac OS X either, so don't bother.

I doubt that DirectX 10 is going to be "ported" to Linux anytime soon. It's a complete revamping of the engine, written specifically for Windows Vista.

My question to you is this: Why so hateful toward Microsoft?

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I would like for you to back up your statements with why you have such a strong distaste for Microsoft. I would also like you to prove how Vista is unstable. Where can you find such a more simple OS such as Microsoft? The answer is simple. You cant. Linux requires some programming background and installing things is not as easy as it is on a Windows based machine. In order to play video games that are made for the Windows OS, you have to run an emulator to play them.

Mac OSX on the other hand may be near as simple as a Windows machine, but you will never get anything you want on a Mac OS as you can on a Windows platform. (example - Games)

Bobby,

The reason why so many people "hate" Microsoft is simple. They are jealous of them because Microsoft has no real competition. If they did, the prices would lower considerably on their products. Since that inst likely to happen anytime soon, people will continue to "hate" Microsoft because they are a monopoly and have no choice but to buy their product.

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People view that Computers shouldn't be complex to use, MS has that view in Mind, Linux needs a team of Developers to build and then also a Driver Base, Hardware makers would support it as much as Windows, even software makers.

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Stuart K Apr 30, 2007, 08:43pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Mark Allen said:
Where can you find such a more simple OS such as Microsoft? The answer is simple. You cant. Linux requires some programming background and installing things is not as easy as it is on a Windows based machine.



Never used Linux, have you?

Dublin_Gunner Apr 30, 2007, 09:22pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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you cant 'port' directX. The OS must support it

The games are coded with a specific API, such as DirectX or OpenGL.

If the specific API can run within the OS, then you're good to go.

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Bitmap Apr 30, 2007, 10:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Stuart Krivis said:
Mark Allen said:
Where can you find such a more simple OS such as Microsoft? The answer is simple. You cant. Linux requires some programming background and installing things is not as easy as it is on a Windows based machine.



Never used Linux, have you?

Linux isn't that simple, Stuart. Sure, to get it up and running with the basics is a piece of cake. Try getting drivers working, though. Not the simplest thing.

Windows: Click to install, and you're good to go.

Linux: Edit these 4 config files, and copy these folders and files into these directories, and then input the following into the console.

Don't get me wrong. I love Linux, but it's not for everyone.

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john albrich May 01, 2007, 01:57am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Bobby Phillipps said:
...Windows: Click to install, and you're good to go....

From what I read on the various fora, it's not quite that simple. Many Windows users have very serious and intractable problems with drivers...it's an historic issue with deep roots. The common remedy is to "format and re-install".

Windows does tend to do a little more hand-holding during the installation process, and if nothing goes wrong then you're set to go. But, it's when something goes wrong that you start tossing hardware and CDs around.

It actually helps to be a programmer whether you use Linux or Windows.

CrAsHnBuRnXp May 01, 2007, 02:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Bobby Phillipps said:
Stuart Krivis said:
Mark Allen said:
Where can you find such a more simple OS such as Microsoft? The answer is simple. You cant. Linux requires some programming background and installing things is not as easy as it is on a Windows based machine.



Never used Linux, have you?

Linux isn't that simple, Stuart. Sure, to get it up and running with the basics is a piece of cake. Try getting drivers working, though. Not the simplest thing.

Windows: Click to install, and you're good to go.

Linux: Edit these 4 config files, and copy these folders and files into these directories, and then input the following into the console.

Don't get me wrong. I love Linux, but it's not for everyone.

And thats the reason why I refuse to use it.

CrAsHnBuRnXp May 01, 2007, 02:03am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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john albrich said:
Bobby Phillipps said:
...Windows: Click to install, and you're good to go....

From what I read on the various fora, it's not quite that simple. Many Windows users have very serious and intractable problems with drivers...it's an historic issue with deep roots. The common remedy is to "format and re-install".

Windows does tend to do a little more hand-holding during the installation process, and if nothing goes wrong then you're set to go. But, it's when something goes wrong that you start tossing hardware and CDs around.

It actually helps to be a programmer whether you use Linux or Windows.

The majority of users problems are they do not even know how to work a computer regardless of an OS. Some users are so dumb, they dont even know how to uninstall a driver to update to a new one. Let alone actually know how to uninstall a program.

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Stuart Krivis said:
Mark Allen said:
Where can you find such a more simple OS such as Microsoft? The answer is simple. You cant. Linux requires some programming background and installing things is not as easy as it is on a Windows based machine.



Never used Linux, have you?

No. Have you? If the answer for you is no, why are you asking me if you dont have any idea for yourself? Even if the answer is yes, you still understand the difficult tasks that are involved with working with Linux.

Bitmap May 01, 2007, 02:22am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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john albrich said:
Bobby Phillipps said:
...Windows: Click to install, and you're good to go....

From what I read on the various fora, it's not quite that simple. Many Windows users have very serious and intractable problems with drivers...it's an historic issue with deep roots. The common remedy is to "format and re-install".

Windows does tend to do a little more hand-holding during the installation process, and if nothing goes wrong then you're set to go. But, it's when something goes wrong that you start tossing hardware and CDs around.

It actually helps to be a programmer whether you use Linux or Windows.

Personally, I've never had a problem with drivers in Windows, save for one glitch with my sound card that turned out to be Creative's fault. But for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to get my Synaptics touchpad on my laptop to work in Linux, even after following instructions to the T. Sure, I could move the pointer around, but the scroll "slider" on the right side didn't work, and the tap+hold thing you do to drag windows didn't work either. I worked on it for a week, and finally gave up and plugged in a USB mouse. :P

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andrew kairis May 02, 2007, 03:43pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 02, 2007, 04:19pm EDT

 
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Ok. I don't know where you are getting that I hate microsoft. I personally like them, I just don't like spending as much for the OS as I do building the PC. But its a good company that like i said, seems to REALLY shine when they have a challenge - another company to compete with them.

I'm just saying everyone saying vista will see microsoft lose millions of users to linux et al is completely wrong. Until directX is successfully copied (and my point that everyone seems to have missed is that IT WON'T) Microsoft will always be able to hold the gamers and most of the power users.

Microsoft isn't responsible for drivers, the hardware makers are. The shot was at the hardware vendors (slap of wrist: ati, nvidea. Punch in the face: CREATIVE) for not being ready for an OS which was very long in comming.


EDIT: Much appreciated Sir.

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Bitmap May 02, 2007, 04:15pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Andrew, look up to the top right of your posts, it says "Edit Post".

But I'll help you out and combine them for you. :)

[...]

There. That's better. :)

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ian elliott May 03, 2007, 07:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Bobby Phillipps said:

I doubt that DirectX 10 is going to be "ported" to Linux anytime soon. It's a complete revamping of the engine, written specifically for Windows Vista.


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Dave May 03, 2007, 07:27pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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"I just don't like spending as much for the OS as I do building the PC"

Heh, how much did you build your PC for? 200? :)

Fair point though, it is ...a little.. expensive.

Bitmap May 05, 2007, 05:06pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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ian elliott said:
Bobby Phillipps said:

I doubt that DirectX 10 is going to be "ported" to Linux anytime soon. It's a complete revamping of the engine, written specifically for Windows Vista.


http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/

Well fancy that. I stand corrected.

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andrew kairis May 05, 2007, 05:14pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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umm. I'm all for prodigys and all that stuff but umm... a single 19 y/o programmer working on something thats taken MS how many years and how many FULL time paid programmers??

EDIT: hmm.. I would imagine that this is what people had to do before directX...(just the commands from EACH program would be what needed to be translated) as more features are implimented wouldn't something like this become exponentially more difficult to maintain?

Weren't there some GLIDE wrappers back in the day that translated glide to d3d ?

thing is this is d3d calls to machiene code.... something between API and driver calls is where this thing would have to sit unless it bypasses drivers (possible?)

What I'm stuck on is, ok we have d3d API on one end, which goes into d3d complient driver on the other right? this would be plugging into the d3d api on one end and.... many different video drivers on the other end (linux drivers, xp drivers, bsd etc. let alone ati vs nvidea parts vs matrox underneath the OS)

Bitmap May 05, 2007, 05:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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andrew kairis said:
umm. I'm all for prodigys and all that stuff but umm... a single 19 y/o programmer working on something thats taken MS how many years and how many FULL time paid programmers??

Easy - DirectX was already there for this guy. All he had to do was create a "middleman" program to allow Linux and DirectX to communicate to each other.

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