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ian elliott Jul 11, 2007, 06:58pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
dark41 said:

I'm glad you addressed that DublinGunner. On another forum which shall remain nameless there is an entire thread about the 2900XT and E6400. The best scores barely broke 12000 on 3dmark05. I've got 12,330 on 3dmark05 with the same CPU (at the same 3.2GHz) and a 7900GTX Extreme. I know that a 8800 will blow my 7900GTX away, but it seems to hold it's own pretty well against the 2900XT. :)


You are comparing a HD2900XT with a 7900GTX lolz.

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Dublin_Gunner Jul 11, 2007, 08:32pm EDT Report Abuse
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Somb@S@n {47} said:
You quoted a benchmark, done by some silly site, that clearly doeant even have SLI enabled, as single GTX's score higher with the same settings in the same games. They dont even list what drivers they're using, and are using 3 different PC's. If you consider that a valid comparison, you've just proved to everyone (like they dont already know) that you really have no idea about the subject.

I'm not gonna bother replying to you in future because you're so ludicruously idiotic you come across; it amazes me at times.

I can never understand how a fanboy's head works, maybe you could enlighten us all?



Cleary you don't understand anything. How do you know they don't have SLI enabled, even when it Cleary says SLI on the benchmarks? Simple, you don't. The only defense you bring to the table is " some silly site" right cause that's creditable.

I should be asking your hypocritical hide that question. I don't understand how a fan boy such as you can be so ignorant, and I would rather not be enlightened with that kind of stupidity.


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Seriously Somba, youre a joke.

Exactly how am I a fanboy?? I promote the G80, with an R520 in my machine?? definite fanboy.......................

I mean, obviously, with the whole 12 line 'review' (*ahem*) that they provided, I'd believe every word. And as I stated, their so called SLI set up is only scoring single GTX scores.

So eh, yeah, what was that you were saying Somba?? Sorry, I wasnt sure if I remembered correctly that you know jack s**t about P'Cs..............

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ian elliott Jul 11, 2007, 08:40pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
DublinGunner said:

I'm not gonna bother replying to you in future because you're so ludicruously idiotic you come across; it amazes me at times.


Never trust anyone who goes back on their word.

You want us to take your word for it against some "silly" site that actually owns the cards in mention and has tested them. Well call me stupid if you like but I think I'll go with site.

Dublin_Gunner Jul 11, 2007, 08:50pm EDT Report Abuse
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ian elliott said:
DublinGunner said:

I'm not gonna bother replying to you in future because you're so ludicruously idiotic you come across; it amazes me at times.


Never trust anyone who goes back on their word.

You want us to take your word for it against some "silly" site that actually owns the cards in mention and has tested them. Well call me stupid if you like but I think I'll go with site.


Believe what you like, fanboys usually do.

Would you call that 'review' comprehensive?

I'd seriously hope not.

If you like to take a particular fancy to the R600, maybe people should leave you alone for a while until you can get to, erm, satisfy your desires. (or actually buy one)

Considering you dont even own one, or cant even read proper benchmarks, I'd have to say you must be blinded by faboyistic lust.

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SuPeR Xp Jul 11, 2007, 09:15pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
It's fine to get a fast card for a good price right now, whether its the R600 or the G80. Currently the G80 is faster in DX9 games in Windows XP, where as the R600 is faster in DX9 & DX10 games in Vista x86 & x64.

So, it is safe to say that both companies will eventually come iron out there problems & make there products more competative in there weak states.

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dark41 Jul 12, 2007, 01:32am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
ian elliott said:
dark41 said:

I'm glad you addressed that DublinGunner. On another forum which shall remain nameless there is an entire thread about the 2900XT and E6400. The best scores barely broke 12000 on 3dmark05. I've got 12,330 on 3dmark05 with the same CPU (at the same 3.2GHz) and a 7900GTX Extreme. I know that a 8800 will blow my 7900GTX away, but it seems to hold it's own pretty well against the 2900XT. :)


You are comparing a HD2900XT with a 7900GTX lolz.

E6600 @ 3375 MHz (9x375)
4 GB DDR2-750 4-4-4-12
Raptor 150 GB
Vista Ultimate 64-bit

3DMark05 default
8800 GTX - 17841.67
2900 XT - 19681


That's the point. An entire thread of 2900XT owners are getting lesser scores on 3dmark05 than I do with a 7900GTX TDH Extreme. I don't know which of the 3 2900XT cards they're using though.

I also added a couple posts after that about 1 of those guys showing me a 3dmark05 score which was considerably higher than mine. I don't think the 8800GTX will do quite that well with a single card. But since I don't own one, I don't know for sure.

For me, the argument of which card is faster is easily decided by searching the highest scores on the Futuremark Orb. The top scores go to 8800GTX and 8800Ultra.
1) 25,212 8800Ultra
2) 24,770 8800Ultra
3) 24,040 8800GTX
4) 23,773 8800GTX
5) 23,738 8800Ultra
6) 23,734 8800GTX
7) 22,692 8800GTX
8) 22,685 8800Ultra
9) 22,491 8800Ultra
10) 22,398 8800GTX
11) 22.297 8800GTX
12) 22,033 8800Ultra
13) 21,827 8800GTX

and coming in at 14) 21,684 2900XT

While 3dmark scores are effected slightly by CPU, its mainly a video card benchmark. And I doubt very much that anything can be done to the CPU or drivers to make up 3528 pts for the 2900XT to make it the fastest. At any rate, the 2900XT is obviously fast and cheaper than the 8800, so not a bad deal.

I'm sure someone will find fault with this comparison too, or say its slanted toward Nvidia, but its good enough for me. :)

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dark41 Jul 12, 2007, 01:50am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
The scores above are from 3dmark06.

In 3dmark05, the top 2 scores are held by 2900XT (34,125 and 33,778), although the 8800Ultra is within striking distance in 3rd place (33,774). So it still appears that the cards are pretty close in some benchmarks. :-)

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Chris McGee Jul 12, 2007, 03:40am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
S_U_P_E_R X_P said:
Currently the G80 is faster in DX9 games in Windows XP, where as the R600 is faster in DX9 & DX10 games in Vista x86 & x64.


Nope:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=1

Might change when the drivers (on both sides) mature and the programmers get more dx10 experience but right now the G80 still wins in DX10 and Vista.

edit to add:

Also found this on bit-tech with some interesting benchmarks in DX9 on Vista:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/06/15/xfx_geforce_8800_u..._650m_xt/1

Scumbag Blues Jul 12, 2007, 09:57am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
Ah...

This thread is taking a slightly nasty turn. Back on track guys?

It'd also be nice if one could post links all in one post and see for yourself what the majority says about the two graphics cards.

Like so:

Legion Hardware - Asus Radeon HD 2900XT vs. Asus GeForce 8800GTX
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=650

Legion Hardware - Asus Radeon HD 2900XT vs. Asus GeForce 8800GTS (640MB Edition)
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=645

[H] Enthusiast - ATi Radeon HD 2900 XT
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM0MSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

[H] Enthusiast - Radeon HD 2900 XT vs. 320MB 8800 GTS
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM1MSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

TweakTown - Asus 2900 XT and 8800 Ultra Compared
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1122/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

R600: Finally DX10 Hardware from ATI
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/14/r600_finally_dx10_hardware_from_ati/

DailyTech - ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT Performance Benchmarks
http://tinyurl.com/37o2og

Edit: I haven't had the time to check the content of these websites (considering the reviews are often 10+ pages). No idea what the general consensus is. Have fun.

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andrew kairis Jul 12, 2007, 05:22pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
Dion Barrier said:
I'm kind of surprised that no one has brought up the rather serious bugs and misfeatures found within most (if not all) of the Core 2 based architectures. Many of which either do not have a work around or are quite impractical. Yes, the Core 2 ran past the Athlon 64 but at what cost? I get the very strong impression that Intel jumped out of the gate far too early with the Core 2. I think it likely that they're running on fumes about now...



are you insane?
the thing has higher IPC than any other mainstream proc, and overclocks almost as well at netburst (which was designed from the group up for high clocking) (c2d was NOT) people hitting 3ghz on AIR cooling.

if it was like the 1.13Ghz p3 that was often returned for being buggy and overheating i might agree with you but where the heck are you getting any information to make you think core 2 duo is half baked?

oh sorry guys, i thought this thread was about barcelona... I'll leave you all to talk graphics cards

G. G. Jul 12, 2007, 06:20pm EDT Report Abuse
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andrew kairis said:
oh sorry guys, i thought this thread was about barcelona... I'll leave you all to talk graphics cards



ahahahaha.... good one... that made me chuckle.. :D

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Mike L. Jul 12, 2007, 10:06pm EDT Report Abuse
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He's obviously just some fanboy that doesn't know how to deal with the heartbreaking news over Barcelona.

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SuPeR Xp Jul 12, 2007, 10:36pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
Chris McGee said:
S_U_P_E_R X_P said:
Currently the G80 is faster in DX9 games in Windows XP, where as the R600 is faster in DX9 & DX10 games in Vista x86 & x64.


Nope:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=1

Might change when the drivers (on both sides) mature and the programmers get more dx10 experience but right now the G80 still wins in DX10 and Vista.

edit to add:

Also found this on bit-tech with some interesting benchmarks in DX9 on Vista:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/06/15/xfx_geforce_8800_u..._650m_xt/1


True, ATI needs to work on there drivers. I just hope for there case, they come out with amazing drivers, it would be a waist to see the R600's innovation & intelligent design not step up to the plate. There 1GB card is looking better though.

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SombaSan Jul 13, 2007, 02:05pm EDT Report Abuse
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Seriously Somba, youre a joke.

Exactly how am I a fanboy?? I promote the G80, with an R520 in my machine?? definite fanboy.......................

I mean, obviously, with the whole 12 line 'review' (*ahem*) that they provided, I'd believe every word. And as I stated, their so called SLI set up is only scoring single GTX scores.

So eh, yeah, what was that you were saying Somba?? Sorry, I wasnt sure if I remembered correctly that you know jack s**t about P'Cs..............


You so Ignorant it's sad. I own two intel chipset and my first 2 cards were Nvidia's, so I guess I'm a fan boy and your not? Go read a book on PC's and get back to me.

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Scumbag Blues Jul 13, 2007, 03:38pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
Somb@S@n {47} said:
Seriously Somba, youre a joke.

Exactly how am I a fanboy?? I promote the G80, with an R520 in my machine?? definite fanboy.......................

I mean, obviously, with the whole 12 line 'review' (*ahem*) that they provided, I'd believe every word. And as I stated, their so called SLI set up is only scoring single GTX scores.

So eh, yeah, what was that you were saying Somba?? Sorry, I wasnt sure if I remembered correctly that you know jack s**t about P'Cs..............


You so Ignorant it's sad. I own two intel chipset and my first 2 cards were Nvidia's, so I guess I'm a fan boy and your not? Go read a book on PC's and get back to me.


Okay, let's settle this with a good ol' mug of the good stuff (Drambruie or Bailey's or whatever)... on me. ;)

On a more serious note, let's keep it easy. This is definitely getting too heavy. :(

First, don't try insulting each other's knowledge of PC's because I'm sure both of you are quite knowledgeable and respected because of it on these forums. Second, try to read each other's post more carefully, because some of your lines are retaliating nothing???

Anyway... HAPPY THOUGHTS. :)

Sorry, Super.

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SuPeR Xp Jul 13, 2007, 03:50pm EDT Report Abuse
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For what Bro, you speak the truth. There is nothing wrong with a little debate, just some guys in here need to cool it off already, constantly calling people fan boys, and they guyd know who I am talking about (O.K. No Names ;) )

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dark41 Jul 13, 2007, 05:43pm EDT Report Abuse
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One thing I found interesting is that the 2900XT is said to use from 230 to 250w, and runs very hot. In that case, the energy savings from running an AMD CPU instead of Intel for a year would be gobbled up in an hour by this GPU.

So seems to me that someone who argues the benefits of Barcelona being more efficient than Intels CPUs and then also prefers the 2900XT over Nvidia cards is biased toward the manufacturer, and not the real performance and power consumption numbers. :)

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varun rao Jul 14, 2007, 08:29am EDT Report Abuse
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could have sworn this thread was about AMD's weak position against the new generation Intels in the first page hehehe....

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Tom Sheets Jul 30, 2007, 08:03pm EDT Report Abuse
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I am new to the AMD 64 arena. My old system went ka-put. I didn't have a lot of money and still don't, so, I opt for a foxconn board and an amd 3200+ with 1 gig of memory. With all this new quad core, I fell outdated already. But, I thought amd already had a quad core out.

SuPeR Xp Jul 30, 2007, 08:19pm EDT Report Abuse
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No, AMD is coming out with the first Native quad-core to compete with Intel's Double dual-core cpu's already out.

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