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dark41 Jul 08, 2007, 02:15pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
I don't see how the gaming debate factors into a server chip in any way. But I tend to think its the hard core PC gamers that are becoming extinct, which is the driving factor for the decline in those games. I mean you can only make so many shoot-em-up games and still be original for plot and ways to kill people. Not being a hard core gamer, the genres that I do care about (racing and sports) are not being neglected on the PC level, although it would be nice to see some decent competition for EA Sports/EA Games as they've become a bit complacent with glitches. Anyway, I really dislike seeing threads hijacked so I'll refrain from commenting further on this subject.

Prices for the A-64 6000+ and Intel E-6420 are identical in AU as well. While the 6000 enjoys a slim lead in most benchmarks at stock speeds, the E-6420/E-6400 will overclock much higher and (as stated by Brandon DeCoppel) blow away the 6000 under those conditions. Even an overclocked 805D will give a 6000 a run for its money for performance. If multi-tasking is your thing, any Intel chip will out-perform any AMD chip.

As for Sander's article, the numbers that the HWA article refers to were presented by AMD themselves. The point of Sander's article seems to be that the numbers that AMD posted were slanted toward making their chip seem faster than it actually is at this point, and that AMD used marketing tactics that they are trying to sue Intel for using. Sander made no claim about how fast the chip is or isn't, just critisized the marketing ploy and justifiably so. How fast the Barcelona chip is at release has no bearing on HWA's article.

Efficiency remains to be seen. Most of the hype I've seen generated about efficiency shows that AMD chips run more efficiently at idle, pretty much across the board of chips. Since a server is hardly ever at idle, it would make little sense to brag about the efficiency of a server chip at idle. Under load, AMD and Intel both win some battles and lose some battles. So for now I see it as a toss up as to who actually makes a more energy efficient chip. When the final numbers of Penryn server chips' and Barcelona server chips' energy efficiency are made public I'm sure we'll have more than enough to read and argue about on the subject. :)

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Brandon DeCoppel Jul 08, 2007, 02:31pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cm...id=CPU.907 X2 6000+ 273$

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cm...cid=CPU.84 E660 - 262$

If my memory serves stock E660 can beat 6000+ in some benchmarks

Which would imply as of now in Canada it's better to just stick to intel in performance.

I just wanted to throw that out there because people from ENG/AU are saying it's = in price to the E6420

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phil Jul 08, 2007, 03:52pm EDT Report Abuse
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i thought i'd just through this in..... aka. better cdn prices

http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4778
retail box E6600 $249cdn. :)
http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=6072
retail box amd 6000+ $279

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can't access HWA unless I use a proxy... lol

pfft ..f**k that! (almost sounds like work)
dark41 Jul 08, 2007, 04:44pm EDT Report Abuse
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Well the question was about E6400, not E6600. And yes the E6400/E6420 does beat the 6000+ in some benchmarks when both are at stock speeds. But the difference no matter what the benchmark is hardly worth mentioning. The E6600 beats the 6000+ consistently, but the E6400/E6420 will overclock to beat the overclocked E6600 in most benchmarks. So best bang for the buck is still the E6400/E6420 IMO.

Right now both (E6420 and 6000+) are listed at $230AUD, which is wholesale. I don't buy retail so am not sure what differences are there. :-)

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dark41 Jul 08, 2007, 05:13pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
Actually, here is one example of the E6420 vs 6000+. But keep in mind this is a pretty lame review (IMO) because they state that 3.23GHz is the highest stable OC they could achieve on air, which I believe is due to the inferior motherboard. I've have my E6400 @ 3.68GHz stable on air, and not so stable at 3.72GHz, but I'm using a nice air system (Thermaltake Big Typhoon, fan replaced with Thermaltake Smart Fan II) and motherboard that I consider much better than the Asus Commando (Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 Rev 1). :)

http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=2&id=2291&pg=4
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=2&id=2291&pg=5
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=2&id=2291&pg=10

My system, try this on a E6600. :P:

http://www.ultramaxcc.com.au/crucial6400.htm

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SuPeR Xp Jul 08, 2007, 06:04pm EDT Report Abuse
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FordGT90Concept Jul 08, 2007, 06:27pm EDT Report Abuse
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SuPeR Xp Jul 08, 2007, 06:49pm EDT Report Abuse
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Chris McGee Jul 08, 2007, 07:06pm EDT Report Abuse
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SuperXP, why was 'double dual core' a great idea when AMD did it with the QuadFX but rubbish when Intel do it with their processor?

Scumbag Blues Jul 08, 2007, 07:09pm EDT Report Abuse
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dark41 Jul 08, 2007, 08:44pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
I'm a bit sick of the Super_XP bashing. While I may not agree with all of his views and everything he says, he's one of the nicest and most helpful members on this forum. I've never seen him flame someone else for their posts even when they're based on nothing but a pipe dream.

Super's only problem is that he's a fan of AMD to the point of fault. I have no problem with that.

None of these arguments are worth reading as it's all opinion based and not factual. Quad core means different things to different people. Who cares?! And no one knows yet what Barcelona will be like when it's released. No one.

Personally, I couldn't care less if a design is new or 20 years old. I just want what works. But that doesn't mean others won't think differently.

Diversity is strength. Anyone with a brain should be encouraging differing points of view, not flaming them. :)

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Dublin_Gunner Jul 09, 2007, 04:31am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: AMD's Barcelona, cheaters never win?
Super, the difference there is that the P4 wasnt as far behind K8, as K8 is behind Core 2.

Sure, AMD dont have the resources of Intel, but then again, not only did Intel design the first ever uP, they made the design by which every other desktop CPU (PC) follows, the x86 architecture.

This was a design which they licensed for years, until they were forced not to license it anymore for being monopolistic.

All the other desktop CPU manufacturers (AMD, Cyrix etc) that followed Intels designs, had to pay to copy them.

Now, you cannot talk about Intel & AMD swapping positions for a section of their history, as that makes no sense. Intel has the funds & resources because its been there, done that, and basically created the market which they dominate.

If you swap the roles, AMD would be pretty much were Intel are at now.


Anyway, Barcelona at the moment doesnt look to good, but they are rvising the silicon (again, and again, and again lol) and with any bit of luck they will release a competitive product.

But one thing I disagree with you on is your definition of a quad core.

Quad core = 4 cores in the one package.

Core 2 Quad based processors have 4 core in the one package.

Thats a quad core, no matter how they implemented it.

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FordGT90Concept Jul 09, 2007, 04:35am EDT Report Abuse
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SuPeR Xp Jul 09, 2007, 07:47am EDT Report Abuse
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SuPeR Xp Jul 09, 2007, 07:55am EDT Report Abuse
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SuPeR Xp Jul 09, 2007, 08:34am EDT Report Abuse
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AMD Phenom Launch Schedule & Roadmap
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Dublin_Gunner Jul 09, 2007, 08:54am EDT Report Abuse
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I dont prefer either, they're both quad cores, implementation means jack, its performance I've always been after.

And I really dont see the point in trying to undermine the FSB, when for instance, mine runs at 1700Mhz, and I have a chips faster than ANY offering from AMD, even overclocked.

Its performance, no implementation that rules supreme, that has, and always will be what wins the day.

BTW, in the quote from your article there, note the words
in theory

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FordGT90Concept Jul 09, 2007, 09:20am EDT Report Abuse
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DublinGunner said:
I dont prefer either, they're both quad cores, implementation means jack, its performance I've always been after.

And I really dont see the point in trying to undermine the FSB, when for instance, mine runs at 1700Mhz, and I have a chips faster than ANY offering from AMD, even overclocked.

Its performance, no implementation that rules supreme, that has, and always will be what wins the day.

I agree. I couldn't care less if Barcelona has wings. If it isn't faster, it doesn't means**t.

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SuPeR Xp Jul 09, 2007, 11:57am EDT Report Abuse
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Dublin_Gunner Jul 09, 2007, 12:00pm EDT Report Abuse
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To reiterate:

DublinGunner said:
I dont prefer either, they're both quad cores, implementation means jack, its performance I've always been after.

And I really dont see the point in trying to undermine the FSB, when for instance, mine runs at 1700Mhz, and I have a chips faster than ANY offering from AMD, even overclocked.

Its performance, no implementation that rules supreme, that has, and always will be what wins the day.

BTW, in the quote from your article there, note the words
in theory


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