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BlazeYDH Jul 24, 2007, 06:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I'm doing a research paper on how people steal satellite tv. Please tell me how to do this!

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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
lol, I haven't seen it done lately, but it used to be running a hacked access card through a boot to prevent "Black Sunday" attacks. That was in 2001, I think -- DirecTV shut down a massive number of unprotected cards via the satellite system during the Super Bowl -- to make it that much worse for the pirates. Unloopers work on some, other don't.

The other option was to hook up a booted card to any old PC with 2 serial ports. Even a 100MHz CPU would do it. Didn't even need a hard drive. All you had to do was boot a DOS bootdisk with access card emulation software (which generally you had to know somebody to get). Then use the 2nd serial port to hook into the access card slot in your reciever.

The computer emulated all access card responses, and validated you to be able to watch anything you wanted (just switch to any PPV channel, for example, and it would be playing). The actual card was still needed though, to decrypt the video stream, as that wasn't easy to program for the computer. So the access card became a slave device, used only for video decryption. This way, if DirecTV shot it down, instead of getting your hands on a new access card, all you had to do was reboot the computer.

Some of that may still apply today, but you'd probably have to use an older access card, and find the right equipment.

Adam Kolak Jul 24, 2007, 07:07pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
One of neighbors gets free Dish Network Satellite TV and has got it for many years. He gets not only all the regular channels, but all the pay per channels, all the pornography channels, and every last movie channel for free. There is not a single channel on Dish Network that he doesn't have free access to. He once came on a small vacation/trip with us and brought his equipment with him. Needless to say we had access to every channel on Dish Network.

The guy is also in his thirties and still lives with his parents. But when it comes to hacking Dish Network, he is probably the number one expert in the world. He's been alive and kicking for many years. I have no idea how he does it either.

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phil Jul 24, 2007, 07:48pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
well get a dish, any old dish, hook it up to a free view reciever, then program it by following the directions in the box.. done

you'll need to either have a satilite locator to aim the dish, know how to do it manually, trial and error + dumb luck, aim the dish while watching the tv output of the receivers signal quality readout.

seriously, it's that easy. now then there's a perticular brand of reciever that is able to withstand the jolts they send out to fry the cheap asian made clones,,, i forget what brand it is,, made in USA "????sat"... my neighbours using my old starchoice dish (gave it to him free) and a coolsat receiver $169cdn.. and he's got almost 4000 channels for free. when he gets bored of the channels i let him use my satillite locator and he changes satillites.

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BlazeYDH Jul 25, 2007, 12:31am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
Phil verhey said:
well get a dish, any old dish, hook it up to a free view reciever, then program it by following the directions in the box.. done

you'll need to either have a satilite locator to aim the dish, know how to do it manually, trial and error + dumb luck, aim the dish while watching the tv output of the receivers signal quality readout.

seriously, it's that easy. now then there's a perticular brand of reciever that is able to withstand the jolts they send out to fry the cheap asian made clones,,, i forget what brand it is,, made in USA "????sat"... my neighbours using my old starchoice dish (gave it to him free) and a coolsat receiver $169cdn.. and he's got almost 4000 channels for free. when he gets bored of the channels i let him use my satillite locator and he changes satillites.


Okay, Hypothetically I have a Dish (network?) "500" dish. Hypothetically I don't have a "free view receiver" What else is needer, if anything?

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phil Jul 25, 2007, 04:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
a dish
a receiver
a computer (to initially program the receiver)
a internet connection (to download the programming)
a tv to watch it on :)

.. that's it. and if the dish was already sitting on the side of someones house (old dish, but never taken down) then it's already pointed at the satellite.

.. so go ahead and hook yourself up some free and illegal(depending on country) television.

(you know all this info is all over the internet already, you say this is for school work??)
*doubt it .. but i don't give a flying f**k.

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BlazeYDH Jul 25, 2007, 05:02pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
Phil verhey said:
a dish
a receiver
a computer (to initially program the receiver)
a internet connection (to download the programming)
a tv to watch it on :)

.. that's it. and if the dish was already sitting on the side of someones house (old dish, but never taken down) then it's already pointed at the satellite.

.. so go ahead and hook yourself up some free and illegal(depending on country) television.

(you know all this info is all over the internet already, you say this is for school work??)
*doubt it .. but i don't give a flying f**k.


I never said it was for SCHOOL. I just said I was doing a research paper.

Where to get a cheap reciever?

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phil Jul 25, 2007, 05:26pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
so you sit at your computer waiting for a reply, instead of going to google.com and typing

"free to air receiver"

.. and by the way, get a veiwsat unit, it'll survive the spikes they send out to fry the cheapo clone models.

let me know if you need me to program the thing for you too... lol

BTW: http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center-s/222.htm

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BlazeYDH Jul 25, 2007, 07:36pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
actually i didnt sit here waiting for a reply. i went out to try and get an ozzfest ticket. i just might take you up on that offer ;]

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dawn kih Aug 14, 2007, 12:09am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
hello

i have been stumped on this question for a long time and there must be someone out there that can help me out, i live in a valley in bc and there is a mountain in my backyard i have had starchoice and bell up here and they bothsaid they couldnt geta signal then i found someone that put up a dishnetwork dish and i got 10 channels but it was like 100 a month and not the channels i want . I was just wondering i completley want to pay for tv but i cant find the info i need .can you geta starchoice receiver and use it with a dishnetwork dish?if anyone could help i would apppreciate it very much
thx

micro Aug 14, 2007, 01:53am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
dawn kih

Im not sure of the answer to your question. I have never heard of "starchoice". The reason you get the 10 channels and not all of them with dish network, is that dish network has two satellites close together. You are pointed at the 110 satellite, where you get most channels from the 119 west. A dish 500 dish will use both of these satellites, where as the standard dish (dish 300) only uses the 119 west.

So it has been a while, but the other satellite that your not locked into is just up and i think east (lol, mabey west) from the 110 that you are locked into. But with the mountain in the way and with perfesionals installing it. then you wont beable to get it.

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dawn kih Aug 14, 2007, 02:14pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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hey thankyou for your info so if i used a starchoice receiver which is a satelight company in canada then i cant use the star receiver and dishnetwork dish ?., this doesnt seem right i would think of todays tecnologies then i would be able to find a way of getting tv ! so frusturated .:)

BlazeYDH Aug 14, 2007, 10:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
The best thing to do is call your local satellite company and ask them. Chances are you CAN use a dish with a dif. company, but they will most likely tell you you can't or discourage use for a various reasons. If you bring a dish from another company to theirs then they can't charge you for a dish and they're out $100 bucks or whatever.

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phil Aug 15, 2007, 09:27pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
to my knowledge starchoice uses a weird dish and is not compatible with other companies or free to air recievers, as they use proprietary hardware... i may be wrong but in the past nobody made compaible receivers.

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Gerritt Aug 15, 2007, 10:05pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
Though the actual implementation is illegal, discussion of the process is not, so I figured I'd weigh in on a couple of things.

Firstly, I used to have a dual feed horn 9' spun aluminium dish with a horizon-to-horizon worm drive. This gave me access to all C-BAND and Ku-BAND sattelites that serviced most of the Americas, and some European. This is TOTALLY different from the "DISH" services being provided today with the single satellite/dual satellite 1M dishes.

I loved my dish, especially due to the Ku band uplink feeds (unfiltered remotes) that allowed me to see real time, and not "on-air" content (I saw a President of the United States more concerned about his makeup than the context of the message).

The "fry your chip surge" is a URBAN LEGEND! There is NO WAY that a satellite can increase it's wattage output to a degree that would EVER "FRY a chip" on your local reciever! What is done is that the PROM or SmartCard is REPROGRAMMED, and if you had hijacked content that was not reprogrammed then the chip and or smartcard becomes useless.

There were some singlepass filters or blockers that permitted functionality for a time based upon the blockage of outgoing responses from the Reciever unit for cable, and blocking of certain incomming signals to satellite recievers, but for the most part, these static blocking systems no longer work.

So the only remaining approach for recieving encrypted/authorized content in the long term is via the utilization of a computer proxy that can trap and spoof the proper responses while not permitting the reconfiguration of the PROM or SmartCard (which will have to have at one point in time been configured for all of the accesses, thus leading to a possible trackable train of illegal behaviour somewhere along the line),

Seems to me to be a bit too much risk and expense so you can watch Movies that you can rent for $2 or Porn.....unless of course you're 30yrs old and still living with your mother....

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dawn kih Aug 16, 2007, 12:42am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
Thanks for your replies ,

I was thinking of calling starchoice to come up and see if they can run a line across the street to where there is a more open feild .do you think they will be able to run a line across the street?
:)

john albrich Aug 16, 2007, 02:31am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
One could also consider setting up an antenna mast (upto ~30ft) or even an antenna tower. Both are readily available via amateur radio catalogs and online. (May be zoning issues to overcome even if they aren't legally enforceable)

As for running a communications link across, under, and even wirelessly (believe it or not) a public right-of-way...that is sometimes restricted by local government, usually to "qualified" carriers. There can be a substantial fee (read tax) associated with it as well.

Best thing to do is just ask them. The dish to set-top unit distance may be a problem with signal degradation.

BTW, there are signal strength meters that you can borrow or get for relatively little money that will enable you to walk around your property to determine where/if you have the best signals from specific satellites. You'd need to borrow a dish and power supply to attach. A lot of the info you'd need would be on webpages dealing with setting up a satellite dish, or using satellite receivers in an RV (where you constantly have to align your dish for the proper satellite(s) everytime you move the vehicle.

dawn kih Aug 17, 2007, 09:32pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
hello,

I have bought a starchoice receiver same price if i were to buy a dish and receiver and i have hooked up the receiver to the cable running to the dishnetwork dish it says my receiver should be ready soon its been 2 hours and still says that ,has anyone heard of this or do you think it will work?:)

trish reu Aug 13, 2008, 10:07am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
I have a dishnetwork dish 1000...........will this work the same in this process as the dish 500? or do I need to purchase a dish 500

richard james Mar 25, 2009, 03:40pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
How would someone unblock channels not subscribed for? Hypothetically speaking ok course.

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>> Re: pirating satellite tv
Satellite providers change their signals everyone in a while. You will need a USB drive, and a forum site which provides firmware for receiver.

site changes signals ---> you do not get any channels ---> you go to a forum ---> download the updated firmware --->load the firmware into the receiver ---> get to watch all the channels again


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