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vulcan raven Aug 21, 2007, 10:27am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
http://www.dailytech.com/Michael+Bay+Throws+a+Fit+Over+Paramou...le8528.htm
amusing.
also you keep saying toshiba over the hardware sales, i already said that hardware isnt anything like as important to the studios as simple movie sales. the fact that DELL, sony and apple hold an awful lot more of the notebook market combined than toshiba do kinda makes the notebook point a bit silly, and ps3 sales arent going to disappear overnight, unfortunately for toshiba the thing is only going to get cheaper and only going to get better games. if ps3 only manages a pitiful 25M total sales in its lifetime like cube or xbox last generation, thats 25M more bluray players.
if like some analysts suggest that ps3 will gather more momentum next year (bearing in mind its top titles are out next year the lineup looks better than X360's 2008 lineup) then you are talking realistically more like 50M ps3's sold in its lifetime.

kinda makes 8M notebooks seem a little trivial in comparison.

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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
Sony is counting PS3s as Blu-Ray players sold. They also count the free Blu-Ray movies thrown in as Blu-Ray movies sold. In reality Toshiba HD-DVD players have outsold Sony's Blu-Ray players when it comes to standalone boxes. With $200 and $300 HD-DVD players on the market this holiday season, you will see a huge boost in sales of the players.

HD-DVD has the support of 7 major porn studios. Only Vivid is on Blu-Ray, and Vivid also sells them on HD-DVDs. All the others are HD-DVD only. Paramount, Dreamworks, and Universal being all exclusive to HD-DVD is huge. Sony's format is slipping and they know it.

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vulcan raven Aug 21, 2007, 10:58am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
Adam K. said:
Sony is counting PS3s as Blu-Ray players sold. They also count the free Blu-Ray movies thrown in as Blu-Ray movies sold. In reality Toshiba HD-DVD players have outsold Sony's Blu-Ray players when it comes to standalone boxes. With $200 and $300 HD-DVD players on the market this holiday season, you will see a huge boost in sales of the players.

HD-DVD has the support of 7 major porn studios. Only Vivid is on Blu-Ray, and Vivid also sells them on HD-DVDs. All the others are HD-DVD only. Paramount, Dreamworks, and Universal being all exclusive to HD-DVD is huge. Sony's format is slipping and they know it.


its soooooooo early to pronounce one format as slipping against another. sales are so small from both of them. the only decent figures that arent influenced by all this figure manipulation is probably the straight up, HD DVD v bluray multiformat movie disc sales. which bluray wins nearly every time.

simply put, one movie, two formats, bluray version sells more copies, more often. its not like i want to be drawn to either myself, because i dont think either will make an impact against DVD for years and by that time downloadable content like movies will be flying. its already taking XBL by storm. as it is though, i would rather be using a ps3 as a bluray player than the HD DVD add on drive for my X360 or even a standalone because i have grown into the whole integration thing, im sick of having one machine for playing cds, another for mp3s, a dvd player, divx compatible player etc. if it can all go in one box and its all still workable, then im sold. i think its a bit snobbish for people to say it must suck because its all integrated, jack of all trades master of none and all that crap.

ask mr joe average to tell the difference in picture or sound quality between bluray and 7.1 decoded on a ps3 and a 7 or 800 pound standalone. he couldnt. to be honest, you or me probably couldnt either

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SuPeR Xp Aug 21, 2007, 04:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
I under stand your point. Though HD DVD's attach rate is much better then Blu-Ray's. For every HD DVD player in the USA, 4 HD DVD's are sold. For every Blu-Ray player in the USA, 1 Blu-Ray disk is sold.

PS3 increase the odds in Blu-Ray's favor even though about 90% of PS3 owners do not have a HD TV.

Most important HD DVD exclusive studio backers:
- Universal Studios
- Dimension Films
- Paramount Pictures
- DreamWorks Animation SKG
- DreamWorks Pictures

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FordGT90Concept Aug 21, 2007, 05:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Aug 21, 2007, 05:49pm EDT

 
>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
S_U_P_E_R X_P said:
Most important HD DVD exclusive studio backers:
- Universal Studios
- Dimension Films
- Paramount Pictures
- DreamWorks Animation SKG
- DreamWorks Pictures

All matter of DreamWorks is owned by Paramount. Dimension Films is a division of The Weinstein Company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD#Corporate_and_industry_support
Exclusive support in North America:
-Universal Studios
-Paramount Pictures
-The Weinstein Company
-First Look Studios

Non-exclusive support in North America:
-Warner Bros. Pictures
-Warner Music Group
-New Line Cinema
-HBO
-Studio Canal
-Image Entertainment
-Magnolia Pictures
-Vivid Entertainment

Adult Film publishers:
-Wicked Pictures
-Pink Visual
-Bang Bros
-Digital Playground Inc.
-ClubJenna Inc


I'm thinking Paramount went with HD-DVD because it's cheaper to produce. If you can produce two HD-DVD disks for the price of one BD-DVD, there's really no question in which one the publisher will favor. The following says it all:
"Part of our vision is to aggressively extend our movies beyond the theater, and deliver the quality and features that appeal to our audience. I believe HD DVD is not only the affordable high quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount," said Paramount Pictures Chairman and CEO Brady Grey.

When you're talking about publishers, all they care about is money. HD-DVD is considerably cheaper to produce than BD-DVD which means it naturally has the most support. Really the only studios/people that care about BD-DVD are those that invested in it personally (like Michael Bay) or as a business (like Sony).

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vulcan raven Aug 21, 2007, 05:49pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
so paramounts decision has nothing at all to do with the $150M payoff from HD DVD. :/

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FordGT90Concept Aug 21, 2007, 05:51pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
What proof is there that there was a pay off? Where was the source of this alleged pay off? Additionally, 150 million isn't a whole lot of money to a publisher like Paramount whom produces revenue in the billions.

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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
FordGT90Concept said:
What proof is there that there was a pay off? Where was the source of this alleged pay off? Additionally, 150 million isn't a whole lot of money to a publisher like Paramount whom produces revenue in the billions.


NY times is now reporting about a payoff. as for the 150M, its plenty considering that paramount wont be seeing that kind of money from either format anytime soon, because of the small market. you gotta choice of a few million in dribs and drabs from sales in both formats, or a lump sum of 150m and losing a couple thousand unit sales. hard choice. not.

think about it. we arent talking about 5 or 6 million copies of film X like on dvd for paramount. you are looking at probably less than 250k units for one HD format

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FordGT90Concept Aug 21, 2007, 07:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Link me. Now film industry has any reason to invest heavily into either format because of the low demand. That's why Paramount announced it will reevaluate the situation in 18 months.

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SuPeR Xp Aug 21, 2007, 11:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray 2007
FordGT90Concept said:
S_U_P_E_R X_P said:
Most important HD DVD exclusive studio backers:
- Universal Studios
- Dimension Films
- Paramount Pictures
- DreamWorks Animation SKG
- DreamWorks Pictures

All matter of DreamWorks is owned by Paramount. Dimension Films is a division of The Weinstein Company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD#Corporate_and_industry_support
Exclusive support in North America:
-Universal Studios
-Paramount Pictures
-The Weinstein Company
-First Look Studios

Non-exclusive support in North America:
-Warner Bros. Pictures
-Warner Music Group
-New Line Cinema
-HBO
-Studio Canal
-Image Entertainment
-Magnolia Pictures
-Vivid Entertainment

Adult Film publishers:
-Wicked Pictures
-Pink Visual
-Bang Bros
-Digital Playground Inc.
-ClubJenna Inc


I'm thinking Paramount went with HD-DVD because it's cheaper to produce. If you can produce two HD-DVD disks for the price of one BD-DVD, there's really no question in which one the publisher will favor. The following says it all:
"Part of our vision is to aggressively extend our movies beyond the theater, and deliver the quality and features that appeal to our audience. I believe HD DVD is not only the affordable high quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount," said Paramount Pictures Chairman and CEO Brady Grey.

When you're talking about publishers, all they care about is money. HD-DVD is considerably cheaper to produce than BD-DVD which means it naturally has the most support. Really the only studios/people that care about BD-DVD are those that invested in it personally (like Michael Bay) or as a business (like Sony).


I know FORD, that is why I said important HD DVD studio backers.

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SuPeR Xp Aug 21, 2007, 11:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Wal-Mart Lauches New HD DVD/Blu-ray Retail Displays
http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2007/07/02/wal-mart-lauc...-displays/

And they look wild.

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Brendan Falvey Aug 22, 2007, 02:07am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Just to throw a curved ball to quote the American vernacular and this will be of particular interest to the Eastern side of the atlantic pond. HD 1080p comes in several flavours. One is 1080p/24 some others (but not all) are 1080p/48 1080p/60.

here is the interesting rub the /24 is a direct take from the film fps and the close to the 25/50Hz field/frame rate for those of us who live in 50Hz supply countries. Interestingly BRay generally supports it but 1st generation HD players do not. Even funnier the films are often encoded as 1080p/24 and then undergoes several steps of processing to achieve a 1080p/60 output for those 60Hz supply countries that could be passed straight thru but is not. They will lose a fair chunk of the world market if they fail to fully support world video standards

In affected countries why would you support a format that requires you to change your setting when switching from tv to DVD player. I understand some 2nd generation HD players are being provide with this native output.

As a brief aside many widescreen monitors cannot be used as HDTV screens in 50Hz countries since the vertical rates for many (but not all) bottom out at about 56Hz and spit the dummy if the video signal has a 50Hz vertical. An HP monitor tells me the signal is unsupported. Check such monitors are truly multimedia and is able to handle down to 48Hz.

SuPeR Xp Aug 22, 2007, 09:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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With an updated firmware, All HD DVD players will support 24fps.

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Bungle Aug 23, 2007, 04:17pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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S_U_P_E_R X_P said:
With an updated firmware, All HD DVD players will support 24fps.


is that with or without 8x AA?

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It's film. It should never require any further anti-aliasing than what is done in the studio. Anti-aliasing is used to make corners of rendered polygons transition smoother.

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SuPeR Xp Aug 23, 2007, 06:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Take it from Ford.

I got new info:
check site dvdtown.com thread[TOSHIBA IS GOING TO WIN THE WAR} guy say he works for sister company of Toshiba and was awarded 60 billion dollar contract over 10 years. Hesay Toshiba is spending 275 million on ads. He said WB is at deal with HDDVD for exclusivity they would get royalties on all hddvd players sold along with big paycheck. He stated the talk was from higher sources and that They are also in talks with Disney on no more bluray exclusive.

http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=49120&page=10

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leastcmplicated Aug 25, 2007, 04:32pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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heyyyy i just saw an HDDVD commercial... If Christopher Moltisanti likes it so do I! lol (not really but i do like chrissy)

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Adam Kolak Aug 28, 2007, 12:17pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I remember always seeing commercials for movies a few months ago and all of them said available on DVD and Blu-Ray disc. Now I see a lot more commercials for movies that are on DVD and HD-DVD. Before it seemed like it was all Blu-Ray.

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Sean Costello Aug 28, 2007, 02:29pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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yeah ive seen the Toshiba HD-DVD player commercail with that guy from the Sopranos too.

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>> Cheap Chinese HD DVD Players *Confirmed*
Cheap Chinese HD DVD Players *Confirmed*

Cheap HD DVD players with 1080i & TrueHD / 5.1 Dolby Digital etc. coming in Q4 2007 for Wal-Mart, Sears, Best-Buy/Future Shop, Amazon.com etc.

Sony is already bleeding due to the unsuccessful PS3 & high priced Blu-Ray players. On top of that, Blu-Ray is still having problems. Sony rushed it out way too soon, and the format was never finished to begin with.

Venturer HD DVD Player to Ship in Time for 2007 Holiday Sales

Venturer Electronics today announced the launch of its first HD DVD player for the North American market. Responding to strong consumer demand for high definition video playback devices, Venturer will introduce the SHD7000 that offers the superior HD movie experience as defined by the DVD Forum.

Featuring 1080i video output and an HDMI connection, the SHD7000 is designed to be compatible with the vast majority of HDTVs already in North American consumers' homes. With Ethernet connectivity to the network , the SHD7000 also allows users to access bonus features from movie studio web servers and unlock special prerecorded content on some HD DVD discs. Dolby TrueHD rounds out the high definition experience by presenting the HD DVD disc soundtrack as it was meant to be heard, virtually equal to the studio master.
In addition to its HD DVD playback capability, the SHD7000 will upconvert standard DVDs to near HD picture quality via its HDMI connection, allowing a consumer's existing library of DVDs to look better than ever. CD playback is also supported.
The SHD7000 will be distributed in North America by Venturer Electronics of Markham, Ontario, and sold through national retailers with retail prices expected to be one of the lowest among entry-level HD DVD players.
Venturer Electronics, headquartered in Markham, Ontario, offers a wide selection of value-priced, high quality consumer electronics products. Since 1988, Venturer has focused on making the latest echnologies affordable to North American consumers.


http://www.venturer.com/news-details.aspx?id=15

Venturer does business with Wal-Mart!
http://www.walmart.com/search/search...&Continue.y=11

4300 stores in the USA alone!

OBTW - Target does not carry Venturer (at least a search showed nothing)

Sam's Club carries this brand:
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/sea...ype=0&x=21&y=8


Amazon.com Sales Rank - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/rank.aspx

This guy is responsible for convinsing Warner Bros. to not be HD DVD exclusive & to also make HD discs for both HD DVD & Blu-Ray. Now he really regrets it.
Blu-ray Loses, Rhapsody/MTV Target iTunes Weakness, Product of the Week
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/WIkqRmgiiUw0IV/Blu-ray-Lose...Week.xhtml

I was one of the folks who thought that Blu-ray was going to eliminate HD-DVD and by this time HD-DVD would be toast. In fact, I was one of the analysts who helped convince Time Warner to hedge its bets and go with both formats. However, this was all before I knew the cost of the Blu-ray technology, and it was based on the assumption that Sony would never be stupid enough to price itself out of the game console market.

PlayStation3 Impact
Not only was Blu-ray too expensive, the technology wasn't as far along as Sony led us to believe. The delays not only make the PS3 too expensive; they made it late. That was effectively a one-two punch, knocking Sony out of the lead so far in the game console business. Now, Sony is dead last by a significant margin.

This means that developers, instead of favoring Sony with their best stuff, are now concentrating on the Xbox first, and increasingly the Wii . That's because both have more homes, and thus represent a greater revenue opportunity, than Sony does.

So instead of the PS3 ensuring Blu-ray's success, right now it appears that Blu-ray may have effectively killed the PS3, at least in terms of market leadership. We'll have to wait until the PS4 before Sony has a chance to come back.


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