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Sander Sassen Sep 14, 2007, 10:17am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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With all the focus on AMD these past few months it seems as if Intel has been sitting still and doing nothing. Well, if that's what you think you're mistaken. Penryn (45nm) processors and the new chipsets that go with it are about ready for introduction and given the preliminary benchmarks Penryn should provide a healthy performance boost over current C2D processors, which obviously is largely due to the switch to the 45nm process. Who knows how fast these processors will run when pushed a little? Current pre-production samples hit 4GHz with ease, so we could be in for a surprise.

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G. G. Sep 14, 2007, 11:08am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel's 45nm process, a true mark of innovation?
As ALWAYS Intel = Innovations = 45nm = High K Metal Gate

Back in the days when AMD naysayers were saying all Intel was doing is upping their ghz on the P4 and was doing nothing else..... well... what happens next... BOOOOMMMmmmm you get Core 2 Duo....... and then AMD was gasping for air... Over a year later.... they are gasping for air.... Now with perfection of 45nm/High K Metal Gate..... it is all going to even more fruitful for Intel.

With AMD's touted "Native" quad core...... Pfffftttt..... Two dies slap together still whooppss that "native" 's butt. With AMD's native complexities and 65nm issues..... all problems that was developed by technology that is before it's time and before AMD's own capabilities. So Intel's own decision not to go monolithic is not so bad of an idea is it now.... AND that age old FSB is still whoopping butts too and holding its own...

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Saquib Hussain Sep 14, 2007, 01:00pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I've often found this site and many of its reviews to be biased towards Intel. Even when AMD shows new things, the reviews have mostly talked about every possible negative side to it, and now such comments on AMD for Intel's New product. Credits MUST be given to new innovation and designs... what AMD has done against a well pre-established company like Intel (which not to mention takes advantage of many unfair practices) is remarkable and I support AMD for keeping up the pressure and challenge. Even when these days Intel has stopped overpricing their products its just because companies like AMD still exist. The x86-64 architecture, nice dual cores and Athlon CPU's have always been quite good in many ways. I strongly sense biased reviews in these types of categories, and seems like the site sort of is a bit unfair towards AMD. The amount of anti-AMD comments on an article that is actually supposed to talk about Intel's innovation is one part of this. I was hoping to find more about what Intel has done, instead of knowing why AMD is doing so bad.

I'm not saying to praise AMD either, but instead of being so negative about AMD, it must be noted that more fair and unbiased publishing is expected from this site...

Sander Sassen Sep 14, 2007, 01:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I'm not syaing to praise AMD either, but instead of being so negative about AMD, it must be noted that more fair and unbiased publishing is expected from this site...


I think you miss the point, if I had something positive to write about AMD that's worth reporting on I would. It is AMD that promises a lot and subsequently fails to deliver, ie. don't shoot the messenger.

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Saquib Hussain Sep 14, 2007, 01:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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"...AMD that promises a lot and subsequently fails to deliverÖ" wow straight from the Editor! No wonder I said this site is biased. You canít have such a generalized conclusion so soon... that statement is supported by any authorized organization or just this site? The editor in chief has already taken such assumptions for granted? Your comment it only based on your self acclaimed judgments and with his kind of mentality I canít anticipate anything unbiased from these articles. The statement you expressed is a certified fact? Maybe you'll use an example or two on your side. But you canít avoid the facts that are many facts that DO prove that your statement is not true. Therefore, as a reader I was hoping 100% positive analysis. Take your time and examine Intel in similar ways and then lets the criticizes compare. If you're a critic, be for both the companies... or at least I would see a "Intel Fanboy Site" somewhere to justify what is always expressed here.

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>> Re: Re: Intel's 45nm process, a true mark of innovation?
I agree with Sander. AMD pulled a rabit out of the hat with K8 which kept tabs on P4/PD. Then Intel pulled a whale out of the hat and everything since from AMD simply pales in comparison. There's really not much to talk about in regards to AMD except their fiscal struggles and sub par parts (one man's victory is another's defeat). This is just not AMD's day. I think, honestly, you'd be hard pressed to find an "unbiased" site that isn't frowning at AMD right now. If you did, they are either favorably biased towards AMD or blatantly lying.

Yes, I agree with you that this article wasn't what I expected but I understand it's hard to write a page or two worth on something that isn't well publicized.

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Orange Juice Sep 14, 2007, 02:26pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I think we're past that age when people would cut AMD some slack for being the runner-up, the poor relative, the David vs. Goliath, whatever you wanna call it.. Let's stop finding excuses for them, ok, i think enough time passed for AMD to evolve into a serious company, that makes some profit and invests in it's own research department. Sure, it can't fight Intel's budget on research but still, for how long are we going to treat AMD like some bunch of amateurs doing a marvelous job ? They are way beyond hobby, if ever they intended that, so i say they'd better compete, or else we'll find ourselves in the same place as maaaaaaany years ago when there was only one name on the market, u know which one.
As a simple consumer, i don't see this site as focused on praising Intel, and one should really have a big problem to see that. Frankly i can't be more satisfied with Intel's progress, although I think AMD can always pull out some new tricks, but i'll be checking that on the internet using an Intel machine due to cost and performance reasons, because i'm one of those that spends his money on the best choice available, not just on a favorite brand. If it was something that just sat on my nightstand i would have bought an AMD, but since it has to perform (and perform at it's best) ...i'll just pick the best choice in terms of price and performance.
I can't wait for the 45nm processors to hit the markets and get one to see how it performs (i'd do it for any AMD product too). So far i can take Intel's struggle as doing it for technological progress, consumers, money, fame, and i can't see anything wrong about any of those. If AMD can't (i hope i'm wrong here) pull themselves together, well..it's not Intel that kills them, that spells suicide.
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I think you all have valid points but I think what Saquib is trying to say is how do you know that in the same way Intel was quietly working on it's Core 2 Duo that AMD doesn't also have something up their sleeve. This level of business competition is all a big fake out. That's why there are so many "empty" promises by both sides because they're trying to catch each other off guard. That's just the name of the game. Of course AMD is no longer a baby corp and I too am very grateful that they are still going strong because it would be terrifying for all consumers if Intel was a monopoly. I like both sides equally and there is good and bad about each company. I could care less which is which, I'll always go where the powerful technology is. They're not football teams for crying out loud.

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GameTyro said:
I think you all have valid points but I think what Saquib is trying to say is how do you know that in the same way Intel was quietly working on it's Core 2 Duo that AMD doesn't also have something up their sleeve.

Everything in AMD's near future uses the old architecture or a Barcelona-based architecture well into 2008. The next big thing from AMD is the so-called "Bulldozer" architecture but not expected until at least 2009/2010. That's why any topic of AMD has an underlying feeling of desperation (attempting sue Intel for any and everything).

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arlen nelson Sep 14, 2007, 04:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I am going to have to agree with Saquib, I have found the past few articles to have quite a negative AMD tone. I am not saying that we should only speak of rainbows and butterfly when talking about AMD, but the hardware seems to have disappeared from hardware analysis. I would much rather have read about Intel's 45nm process in this weeks installment, as the title suggested, rather than reading about what AMD does not have this week.

Brandon DeCoppel Sep 14, 2007, 04:48pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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arlen nelson said:
I am going to have to agree with Saquib, I have found the past few articles to have quite a negative AMD tone. I am not saying that we should only speak of rainbows and butterfly when talking about AMD, but the hardware seems to have disappeared from hardware analysis. I would much rather have read about Intel's 45nm process in this weeks installment, as the title suggested, rather than reading about what AMD does not have this week.


Considering everyone on this forum was in love with AMD till they began a fail streak...

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Dave Van Amburg Sep 14, 2007, 04:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Intel's 45nm process, a true mark of innovation?
Whether is is an 'Intel bias' or simply poor reporting, your article on 45nm was a waste of time to read.

Properly presented it would have: Stated Intel is quietly introducing 45nm; Explained why this is significant to the reader; and in summary compared Intel's currently delivering product with AMDs.

Such a comparison would likely state that at this moment in time Intel is shipping the leading technology in processors having retaken the lead from AMD and that it appears to be on the verge of making another leap up the tech curve with 45nm suggesting it will retain the lead for the foreseeable future.

As for guessing and speculation and reading tea leafs about AMD's future it might be more appropriate to note that AMD is unlikely to ever match Intel's R&D budget nor investment in production facilities. They will have to rely upon some combination of internal brilliance or technology licensed from a 'partner' such as IBM which currently has announced some tech (in the labs) that appears to offer an opportunity to leapfrog Intel's best announced research. Check out the research papers of Intel, AMD and their likely partners if you want a glimpse of the future.

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G. G. said:
AND that age old FSB is still whoopping butts too and holding its own...

HA :P


lol yep. don't replace what doesn't need to be replaced, eh? ;)

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>> Re: Re: Intel's 45nm process, a true mark of innovation?
The Athlon Xp processors were f**ken awesome.
AMD's first 64 bit processors ( Venice etc ) were f**ken awesome.
Now Intels Duo Core/Quad Core are f**ken awesome.

Both companies have made good products, sometimes AMD in the lead, but as for now, Intel is offering the best product, so we, as the consumer, would obviously buy this.
The word fanboy only comes into play when a consumer buys an obsolete product by manufacturer 'x', even though manufacturer 'y' has a better one.

And from what I can see on this forum, most of us are simply buying the best processor currently released, within our price range.

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Dariusmaximus Glickmanstien said:
G. G. said:
AND that age old FSB is still whoopping butts too and holding its own...

HA :P


lol yep. don't replace what doesn't need to be replaced, eh? ;)



heheheheheh you got it.. :P well apparently they are able to still make good use of it. The good side of it is that this gives them time to work on the replacement technology, and from what we keep hearing, its gonna be CSI techology...... Trying to get out CSI or whatever they gonna call it, too early only introduces problems both technology wise and financial wise. Both companies have made some great decisions along the way.... but both of them have made some not so good decisions along the way too.

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Do you know who I am G.G.? ;)

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Dariusmaximus Glickmanstien said:
Do you know who I am G.G.? ;)


...The juggernaut, bitch?

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Saquib Hussain said:
I've often found this site and many of its reviews to be biased towards Intel. Even when AMD shows new things, the reviews have mostly talked about every possible negative side to it, and now such comments on AMD for Intel's New product. Credits MUST be given to new innovation and designs... what AMD has done against a well pre-established company like Intel (which not to mention takes advantage of many unfair practices) is remarkable and I support AMD for keeping up the pressure and challenge. Even when these days Intel has stopped overpricing their products its just because companies like AMD still exist. The x86-64 architecture, nice dual cores and Athlon CPU's have always been quite good in many ways. I strongly sense biased reviews in these types of categories, and seems like the site sort of is a bit unfair towards AMD. The amount of anti-AMD comments on an article that is actually supposed to talk about Intel's innovation is one part of this. I was hoping to find more about what Intel has done, instead of knowing why AMD is doing so bad.

I'm not saying to praise AMD either, but instead of being so negative about AMD, it must be noted that more fair and unbiased publishing is expected from this site...



Now take your comments and reverse the row playing... say some three years ago... Where were YOU in giving comments just like you have here on behalf of Intel ?????? Now I dont know if you have been around long enough at this site... BUT when AMD had the upper hand over the P4 and especially PD.... by the way... P4 held its own in certain areas and depending on what your own priorities in apps... one will be better suited... getting back to what I was saying.... when AMD had the upper hand...... all the AMD fans to the extreme around here were trashing Intel to the fullest at every corner with every opportunity they can. The thrasing that Intel endoured around here was 4 X fold over what you are "Perceiving" as bias or bashing. It was really horrindous as to what Intel was receiving..... If you were around then.... why didnt you speak for Intel as you are trying to do here today?

one of our great HWA members here - Leastcomplicated ... short time ago said " What??? as to back then.... what is good for the goose not now NOT good for the gander ????" or at least something the same affect...

What you are "Perceiving" now as bias for Intel is now way near or come even close to the BASHING that Intel was receiving back then.... So you want fairness.... well... when AMD is perceived as to be the better technology king the next go around and it is their turn.... tell those that favor AMD to leave the Bashing home.... otherwise the cycle just goes in circles.

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Brandon DeCoppel said:
Dariusmaximus Glickmanstien said:
Do you know who I am G.G.? ;)


...The juggernaut, bitch?





HAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!! I almost forgot the name change.. ahahahahah :P

you better clean out that puter case from all the dust bunnies or your junk gonna blow up.... the next time i see it again... it better be shinny and tidy..

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Brandon DeCoppel said:
Dariusmaximus Glickmanstien said:
Do you know who I am G.G.? ;)


...The juggernaut, bitch?


you damn right man :D

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G. G. said:
Brandon DeCoppel said:
Dariusmaximus Glickmanstien said:
Do you know who I am G.G.? ;)


...The juggernaut, bitch?





HAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!! I almost forgot the name change.. ahahahahah :P

you better clean out that puter case from all the dust bunnies or your junk gonna blow up.... the next time i see it again... it better be shinny and tidy..


I've given up trying to keep it clean. I blew the case out and it was a filty mess just over a week later :(

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