http://www.techpowerup.com/?44274

Looks awesome, hope they're legit.

Yeah ok I love the last graph....I almost thought the 3870 was absolutely killing the 2900XT. Easily the most decieving graph I've ever read. Is ATI releasing a high end card (ie. 8800GTX buster) in the 3800 range?

Edit. I'm assuming the 3870 is meant to compete with either the 8800GT/GTS? If so it would have been nice to get a comparison on the preview...ah well. One of the two will hopefully end up being my next upgrade

ya and let the flamewar begin, i already seen that Sean, thats why i didnt post it in my RV670 Topic

Why aren't they comparing it to the 8800 cards? Eh?

probably couldnt get any ya know

Strange, it seems to beat the 2900XT by the same amount as the 2600XT & 8600GTS

It also gets a lower frame rate at 16x12 than it does at 19x12 in Woc DX10

Is also only drops 1 FPS going from 16x12 to 19x12 in UT3 demo.........

Gets the same frame rate in company of heroes dx10 @ both 16x12 & 19x12


**BS**

This card isnt effected by rendering more per frame so it seems. I'll wait until they are in reviewers hands. Not only do those slides seem to be directly from AMD, but they also dont make sense, and the graphs themselves are labelled very strangely - using the competing cards as a base line might leave you believe it does better than it really does

DublinGunner said:


No offence but, you obviously didn't read the heading Dublin:
16x12 - HD 38[b50[/b]
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-11-11/Test-13.jpg

19x12-HD 3870
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-11-11/Test-14.jpg

Yep, missed that.

Well that makes the 'review' even worse. Its throwing in results from a card not listed in the intro, and if its meant to be comparative, it doesnt even give an apples to apples comparison.

Still BS.

I mean look at the graphs, particularly the last one. It shows the 3870 in the lead by MILES (well, er, 4 frames), and shows no difference in frame rate for the 2900XT in WoC DX10 at either 16x12, or 19x12..........

I'd rather wait to see something independant, than 'internal' AMD graphs.


The 3870 looks like it could be a killer card, but I wanna see something other than AMD branded graphs (which are labelled stupidly, giving a false impression of performance)

yeah the graphs do kinda suck but at least it's some reasonable results, beside being scaled by an idiot.

i really doubt those Graphs are by AMD, cause if they were they would be on the AMD site.

Well, the article states they are internal documents, and they are branded with AMD logo's.................


While obviously easy to photoshop, I really doubt they'd bother

EDIT: Forgot to state this is the 3870

New Results with Pics of the Card:

http://iax-tech.com/video/3870/38701.htm


Interesting, i'm not so sure i trust that site though.


Does worse than an 8800GT but only by 2 FPS in Crysis but has better picture quality

Yeah, read that 'review' earlier.......

im gonna wait for better sites to review it like Bit Tech.

from looking at this preliminary results.... it does look like the HD3870 is going to be the comparable card to the 8800GT being that it will be, or seems to be, about 95% of a 8800GT in performance. Now all they have to do is set the pricing for this card correctly. To do this, the 3870 needs to be lower in price by 10% than a 8800GT. Right now the 8800GT goes for around $290.00 all due to demand... (the original release pricing was supposed to be around 200~250.00). The 8800GT will most likely go down to that price range as soon as the newer HD3870 are released. But guess we will have to see.



-- http://iax-tech.com/video/3870/38704.htm


We'll.... there is one thing I need to tell him.....

If he had looked closer at the two pictures used for comparison..... the HD3870 does not look better than the 8800GT.... I am not saying that the HD3870 looks worse... what I am saying is that it looks "different".....

here is my reason: in Crysis DX10.... does it not supposed to do lighting, clouds, fog, and so forth better than DX9 ?????? Well.... when you look at the 8800GT's picture... I see high altitude cloud/fog/mist affect.... which in turn would affect the ground view of the greenery, water, sand, and so forth... The reason in the HD3870 picture "seems" clearer is because there is NO cloud/fog/mist affect in the way at that altitude to change the view at ground level..... DUHHHHHH..... Maybe the HD3870 could not reproduce this effect and hence it was missing from the scene????? So without the cloud/fog/mist effect being displayed.... then your scenery will be different....


And this statement "Not only that, CF can do on P35, X38, 965, and 975 those motherboard as long as there are 2 PCI-E slot" ---- which is stupid in itself... Well DUHHHHHHH we all know you can't (officially) run SLi in those chipset mentioned !!!! It be like saying - Not only that, SLi can do on nVidia's SLi chipsets, those motherboards as long as there are 2 PCI-E slot.... What is he trying to imply???? that you cant run a 8800GT on a P35/X38/965/975 in SLI mode?????? NO CRAP....

The other thing about the results of the graphs when it comes to displaying the CF results along with the HD3870/8800GT single card results..... what are they trying to do with the graph??? Make it look like the 3870 to be greater than it is???? why not display a 8800GT SLi along with the CF results too ???? It sure would make the CF results less pretty. Heck.... the 8800GT could have a greater scaling over the CF results...

If the results are anywhere true...(on a single card to single card comparison).... it is good that ATI is finally catching up. They have been missing from action for a very long time.

"The 3850, which should be less than $200USD when it is released later this month, completely slaughters the intended competition, which includes the HD 2600XT, and the NVIDIA GeForce 8600GTS."

What's the point in beating a 8600gts?

yeah i was looking on http://www.chiphell.com and they had a chart that said the 3870 is supposed to be the 2600XT and the 3850 is supposed to eb the 2600pro.

Sean Costello said:


That can't be right at all.... because the 8800GT slams the 2600XT/2600pro. nah.... I think the 3870/50 is the replacement for the 2900XT and that ATI will need to come up with something faster above the 3870/50 to compete with the GTX/Ultra lines....

the supposedly have the 3900s coming out sometime too, or was it 3890, i forget, damn numbers.

Let me save all of you the trouble by saying that they're only graphs. When there's a review out there - by a trusted site mind you - showing what the card actually looks like with some tangible results, then we can all pass judegment.

Hexus.net had this up on Friday, it only has HD 3870 though.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10415