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Sander Sassen Nov 14, 2007, 08:36am EST Report Abuse
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You'd think publishers would've learned their lessons and that in 2007 they would realize that people shop around and keep a keen eye on international pricing. But no, EA just decides to rip people off that are not located in the US. Why? I don't know, as we're talking a digital copy here, bits and bytes, so my guess is as good as yours.

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Beavis Khan Nov 14, 2007, 08:52am EST Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
If you don't like their rules, don't buy the game. This ridiculous sense of entitlement you're showing off is just shameful. One would think someone who presumably draws part of their living from the production of original content (like this article) would have a little more integrity when it comes to content produced by others.

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Sander Sassen Nov 14, 2007, 08:55am EST Report Abuse
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I respectfully disagree, I'm not giving way to pricing strategies that make no sense whatsoever. I wanted to buy the game for the price listed in the US, I'm not paying almost 100% more for the same digital copy just because I'm in a different geographic region. That's silly, how would you feel if all Texas residents would be able to purchase software X for $100, but all non Texas residents would need to pay $200?

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Sean Nov 14, 2007, 09:02am EST Report Abuse
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Entitlement has nothing to do with it. If a publisher is doing a physical-media-only push to the gaming market, then it's expected there will be some sort of delay in getting product to different geographic regions. But disabling an entirely legitimate delivery method simply because the consumer lives in a "wrong" region is arbitrary, pointless nonsense.

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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
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That's silly, how would you feel if all Texas residents would be able to purchase software X for $100, but all non Texas residents would need to pay $200?


I agree completely that pricing shenanigans like this are silly. But I think the right way to deal with it is to deny the company your money and support. If enough people stop buying games that are distributed with these ridiculous strings attached, the shenanigans would stop. Quite honestly, I think someone in a position like yours would do much more good by taking a principled stand and writing an editorial about why you not only refuse to support EA, but you refuse to even give them tacit support by pirating their game. Just my 0.013 euro...

Edit - the point I'm trying to make it that, from the perspective of companies like EA, pirates don't count at all. They'll stand up and take notice if enough people won't buy their game because of their marginalization of non-US residents. But if you pirate their game, they'll count it as a "sale lost to piracy", and go crying to Congress/EU/UN/etc for more draconian DMCA-style laws. It's a lose-lose for consumers - not only don't they change their behavior, but we get more stupid laws to boot.

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Dublin_Gunner Nov 14, 2007, 09:37am EST Report Abuse
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Hey, condoms cost twice as much here as pretty much anywhere else in the world, doesnt mean I'm gonna steal them though.

I'm a bit disappointed in you Sander to be perferctly obvious.

We have a fair use policy on this very website that states you cannot talk of any illegal issues, mostly cpmprising of the theme of copyright and pirating software - which the mods (and most members) support whole heartedly.

There have been countless threads deleted for discussing such things.

Yet, here we have the owner of this site, blatantly advocating the use of P2P networks to download an illegal copy of the game, and using an illegal piece of software to crack it.

Could you not simply wait a couple of days and buy it in a shop?

Frankly, after the bullshit of downloading BF2142, I will NEVER purchase anything through EA link again - especially since its the same damn price.


But regardless of EA, and their distribution methods, its that any reason to punish the developers, Crytek (ironically, a European based company)?

No, its not.


Delete your download and buy the game.

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Ron Wilcox Nov 14, 2007, 09:40am EST Report Abuse
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Since you want to play the game, support the designers but only pay the US cost, just do it! Now you have the game, send the company the US dollar amount. Justifying your theft corrodes your reputation.

Julian Innerhofer Nov 14, 2007, 09:43am EST Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
$49,99 is about 35, so it is not nearly 100% more expensive. The difference is about 60%, althought this is still too much.

Michel Merlin Nov 14, 2007, 09:49am EST Report Abuse
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>> Markets and other Liberties are more and more shut down - no remedy!
Sander Sassen said:
No other online download system has this limitation...

??? Of course many have; I used to have everything in original US versions on all my computers for 30 years. First (1970-80) it was just the main and only way of working for everyone; then (1980-90) while becoming a minority it remained easy to do; then (around 1995-2000) it became really difficult to get.

At the official launch of Office 2K I was called by other users complaining, to help their case with MS France Director; he replied politely and promised solutions and answers... but only "polite" replies (I mean full scorn to customers, wrapped in "polite" marketing stances) were sent. And it remained completely impossible, in France and for regular citizens (with no political or racial privileges) to get any MS product in other than "FR" versions (which have nothing really French, simply US versions botched with garbage posturing as French translation, and price doubled). Trying to buy from US mail-orders constantly results in replies like "non-exportable".

Result in my case was: I buy my US versions from unofficial channels (family, friends), and of course I drastically reduce my buys.

Sure not all other vendors are doing alike, but many are; e.g. you can visit their US site, but when trying to buy you get redirected to FR pages with only FR "products" (at FR prices!); if you try to chose US versions, sometimes it is possible by simply chosing to change country (Acronis), sometimes it is hidden and buried but you can do it (e.g. BitDefender), but often it is simply impossible.

Of course this only can hurt vendors interests; as you (Sander Sassen) aptly recalled, there is absolutely no admittable reason to act like this; I add, what is the use of "localized" sites on an allegedly "world wide" web? You just need localized products, not sites! There is absolutely no commercial or acknowledgeable reason to prevent a German living in France from buying from France an US or DE version of any product!

Hence of course there is a political agenda. And if someone without this political agenda tries to fight for liberty and equality in the market, of course he will get fired and hurt (I personally gave too much to such fight and won't resume); only others (as Sander Sassen) can actually afford to (sincerely or not) post defenses of customers on this point... with of course no hope (or risk ;) ) of success.

So I think this is without remedy; the evolution is clearly towards more and more closed borders, more and more cut liberties - and accordingly opposite claims and appearances: TVs and all other channels are touting everyday that borders and liberties are getting more open and "protected"... Fortunately it is still allowed to laugh in peto...

Versailles, Wed 14 Nov 2007 15:49:40 +0100

Craig Jones Nov 14, 2007, 09:50am EST Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
play.com 26.99.

CrAsHnBuRnXp Nov 14, 2007, 09:52am EST Report Abuse
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Im really surprised at this Sander. Not only are you admitting to pirating a game on an open forum, but you also break the FUP all in one breath.

If I may:

You will not use these forums to violate any laws nor to engage in or discuss illegal activities of any nature.


Seeing as though you live in a country from what I hear is okay to do such, it is still against the site rules.

Sander Sassen Nov 14, 2007, 11:03am EST Report Abuse
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Guys, relax, I'm writing this from the perspective of someone that wanted to pick up a legitimate copy in Europe, their frustration when they find out it is 1. not available and 2. priced almost twice as much as in the US. I wanted to start the discussion and see where this would take us, and how you'd respond, keep them good replies coming. Remember this article is a column, hence an opinionated piece, meant to invoke further discussion.

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Tycho Celchu Nov 14, 2007, 11:08am EST Report Abuse
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Dublin_Gunner Nov 14, 2007, 11:11am EST Report Abuse
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While I agree the price difference is ridiculous, the reason its not available in Europe could be 1 of a number of reasons.

1 - wrong taxes being applied to the game being sold technically in Europe, but being sold from the States.

2 - Differing laws governing Sale of Goods & Supply of Services - could be an issue for a product technically sold in Europe, but through a US hosted site.

3 - Marketing decisions

4 - the EULA - although that could quite easily be added if you select which country you're buying from.


It certainly does not justify pirating a copy though ;)


As a matter of interest - where were you d/ling it from, and were there many seeders??? lol

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Sander Sassen Nov 14, 2007, 11:22am EST Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
DublinGunner said:
While I agree the price difference is ridiculous, the reason its not available in Europe could be 1 of a number of reasons.

1 - wrong taxes being applied to the game being sold technically in Europe, but being sold from the States.

2 - Differing laws governing Sale of Goods & Supply of Services - could be an issue for a product technically sold in Europe, but through a US hosted site.

3 - Marketing decisions

4 - the EULA - although that could quite easily be added if you select which country you're buying from.


It certainly does not justify pirating a copy though ;)


As a matter of interest - where were you d/ling it from, and were there many seeders??? lol


Dublin,

Well, 1 - 4 don't make sense to me, this is just pricing policies on EA's part. As for pirating, it is my firm belief that a publisher should not differentiate between regions where cost and release dates are concerned, if they do they're simply paving the way for piracy, simply because when such a game is in high demand people will find ways around that. And when something is *not* available there, but *is* elsewhere but you *can't* purchase it elsewhere piracy is the only option left.

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Tycho Celchu Nov 14, 2007, 11:28am EST Report Abuse
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the problem apparently is not Sander's out of turn "sense of entitlement". to a certain degree maybe, from another perspective you might could call it bad marketing politics on the part of EA. but the bottom line in discussin copyright / propriety issues is always gonna be the instrinsic boundaries of the capitalist mode of production. period. And you can either agree or deny it, doesn't matter anyway.
I know that most Americans affirm the system as it is and will defend it at any price so there's no critical perspective to be had on their part, at least I've never personally met one American who would. The kind of arguments that have been put forward here seem to slightly corroborate my assumption. A country where Noam Chomsky is considered a far out, hardly bearable leftist...c'mon!

From a natural law (natura dedit omnia omnibus) point of argumentation, Sander is absolutely right. And I think it can reasonibly be argued that right there lays a germ of emancipatory potential. which might come to bear one day, maybe never at all.

But you've got to admit that the other guys are right in their "realistic" interpretation, or recognition of the plain facts. We live in a society based upon the institution of private property, if we like it or not. These guys will always be right in so far because there are vested interests defending this very instituion. Can't argue with the law, that's their case in point. doesn't even matter what you might or not might not believe you're subjectively entitled to.

this is where most debates touching upon issues of property get political and flame up like a dried out haystack. careful guys.

Beavis Khan Nov 14, 2007, 11:34am EST Report Abuse
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Dublin, you forgot one:

5) Gross lack of vision on the part of EA executives

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Hugo Caeiro Nov 14, 2007, 11:40am EST Report Abuse
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I don't know about you guys, but I pre-ordered the game from the oficial EA Store in Poland (I'm from portugal) and have had access to the demo 24Hrs before everyone else and having already pre-loaded the game, when I get home I just hit install->play.

the best part, I paid +-35 Euros for the ORIGINAL english downloadable version (plus SE content, soundtrack, etc..).all it took was some Polish to English translator.

Have fun :)

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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
Big Beavis said:
Dublin, you forgot one:

5) Gross lack of vision on the part of EA executives



Titles are regularly released at different times in different global regions.

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Sander Sassen Nov 14, 2007, 11:47am EST Report Abuse
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Titles are regularly released at different times in different global regions.


As mentioned, that's due to gross lack of judgement by the respective company's executives.

What do you think happens if gamer X gets to play that long awaited game and gamer Y doesn't, but does have access to a illegal copy through p2p?

That's telling the cat it can't catch the mouse that's jumping in front of it. And that's exactly the situation we're dealing with here. EA is not facilitating pirating their titles, of course they aren't, they however are creating a scenario that would make piracy an obvious choice for many people, regardless of whether that's morally justified or not.

By releasing it worldwide at the same day at the same price you would not have this problem. Hence, poor judgement on the part of EA, simple really.

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Aaron Johnson Nov 14, 2007, 11:54am EST Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: How EA games pushed me to pirate Crysis
That pricing is normal here in australia, for the rest of the world we pay double then most western countrys, for example the orange box here in aust is $100au which is $60 EUR or $88 USD. i gave up buying games from eb and brought the orange box through steam for $56au, so ur not alone sander when it comes to getting ripped off on a daily basis.

btw whats all the fuss over crysis, just a crap game with pretty gfx, like everything that comes from ea (tiberian wars is the only exception)


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