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Sander Sassen Nov 27, 2007, 12:21pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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You'd think, that after being caught in the act a few times, the ATI/AMD conglomerate would've learnt their lesson. But low and behold, with the Phenom and Spider introductions they're up to their old tricks again, whilst at the same time keeping straight face about it, tsk, tsk, tsk, that's not the way it is meant to be played, as per Nvidia's popular slogan.

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Even their 'Tech Tours' leave you feeling like you just visited some carnival and make you check your pockets to make sure you haven't been mugged.
Remember a couple years ago when their slogan was AMD ME? I was at the first tour of that season and asked to speak with the highest person in charge at the event and asked him what does ME remind most techies of... The failed Microsoft ME OS, I asked him if he wants his company's name associated with failure, that whomever works in their PR department should be fired, I don't think they carried that slogan for long... LOL...

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A picture is worth a 1000 words. This was part of an article on spider, showing just exactly how AMD is going to blow away that 8800GTX card you have on your system! And no this isn't a joke it's a real picture from AMD from a real article about spyder and phenom et al.

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that is basically why ive always stayed with intel, since its given its hardware reviewer sites the real deal and let them publish their findings freely... Even though the P4 might have performed worse than amds equivelant, you would still know exactly straight up right before their launch dates what the deal is..

now i ask you angryhippy, to what cost would the whole system add up to... including a powerfull, very stable PSU that can handle for separate graphics card? i still think the GTX would end up winning price-wise... just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P

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People on eBay actually sellin Phenom PC's

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290184824614

lol...

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GtoX (capt Guns) said:
that is basically why ive always stayed with intel, since its given its hardware reviewer sites the real deal and let them publish their findings freely... Even though the P4 might have performed worse than amds equivelant, you would still know exactly straight up right before their launch dates what the deal is..

now i ask you angryhippy, to what cost would the whole system add up to... including a powerfull, very stable PSU that can handle for separate graphics card? i still think the GTX would end up winning price-wise... just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P


Damn right! Just look at what AMD needs to do to beat a high end card which is about to be obsolete (maybe not obsolete, but I can't think of the right word.) in a couple of months or heck! maybe in a couple of weeks once the 8800gts 512mb arrives. And then we look forward to the 9800? Maybe AMD will make PCI graphics card so you can put every slot in your PC with a HD3870 and gain equal or less performance than the newest coming soon high end nvidia cards.

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so the 8800 gts 512 is going to be faster than the 8800 gtx/ultras ?

didn't know that

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just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P


Okay now y'all talking like kids... Since when did money matter ? Last time i checked Newegg was selling single gtx ultras for 780 greenbacks. and thats 1, not 2, not sli.

And the electrical bill... come f**king on... that made me giggle.. Can we have a serious discussion/commenting here please?

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Best 2 cards ATI ever made IMO :
X850XT PE (My Best AGP eva)
X1950XTX (What i wish i had bought)

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Thing is now...It takes AMD/ATI 4 bloody Cards to beat Nvidia.... i only have AMD cus it was basically half the price of Intel.

I just dont see why AMD have gone Down hill so quick.... :/

Fanboys claiming AMD/ATI are better than Intel/nvidia need shooting lol

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I just dont see why AMD have gone Down hill so quick.... :/

ATI and Intel. ATI dried up all AMD's idle funds and then some. Intel got their game on. AMD has been falling faster than a shooting star ever since.

AMD shares dipped below $10 ($9.80) today which is the lowest they've been since August 2003. All the bad decisions in the past year and a half finally caught up to them.


Edit: Just ran into this:
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,28914...40,00.html
In the survey of 297 enterprise x86 server buyers who work with these systems on a daily basis, 45% described their data centers as "die-hard Intel" shops, but only 13% positioned themselves as "die-hard" AMD" fans. Less than 30% said that processor brand is the most important factor in the purchase of an x86 system, but of those, the majority of respondents strongly favored AMD.

AMD definitely lost most hope in the 1000+ processors-in-one-whack (aka enterprise servers) lot too. :(

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I don't really see any of this as news. AMD has always been AMD's worst enemy. Their marketing has been a joke since inception. They don't market enough, and when they do nothing they say can be believed. It's just a shame they've taken ATI with them on this ride to (what looks more and more every day like) bankruptsy.

I still think it's the consumers who lose in the end, as competition dries up for Intel/Nvidia.

The combination of AMD's shortcomings (failed marketing and inferior products) and Intels marketing genius (fantastic pricing on the C2D/Q6600/Penryn and superior products) has set us up for a world of few choices and out of control pricing.

Honestly, who's not excited about Nehalem? Intel is in a position to bury AMD at their own game.:/

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GtoX (capt Guns) said:
now i ask you angryhippy, to what cost would the whole system add up to... including a powerfull, very stable PSU that can handle for separate graphics card? i still think the GTX would end up winning price-wise... just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P

LOL just because it wasn't a joke doesn't mean it isn't a joke. Aside from everything else though, if I had cash, despite their current market position, I'd grab a few hundred shares at $10 right now.The AMD ATI conglomeration is gonna end up with something marketable. Besides despite the dire predictions, AMD just got a very large infusion of investment capitol from a group of investors. Unless they were hoodwinked by the marketing hype (which I doubt) I'm betting they got shown something in the works to make them think the investment will pay off. Investors aren't exactly into charity handouts. Of course if that ends up being the case, remains to be seen. I'd be betting it's gonna be something to do with marrying processing with graphics in a single chip.

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Their marketing has been a joke since inception. They don't market enough, and .......



But ... But.... But..... their saving ALOT of money which they can use for their R&D.... They dont need to market their stuff because it will sell itself....


Well... THAT's what ALL the FANBOIS says.... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) LOL LOL ROFLMA !!!!

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GtoX (capt Guns) said:
just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P


Okay now y'all talking like kids... Since when did money matter ? Last time i checked Newegg was selling single gtx ultras for 780 greenbacks. and thats 1, not 2, not sli.

And the electrical bill... come f**king on... that made me giggle.. Can we have a serious discussion/commenting here please?


You need to check again. The ultra is nothing more than an overclocked GTX, so not worth the extra cost for most of us who can overclock a GTX to the same specs anyway. 8800Ultra's on Newegg range in price from $549 to $799, with most being under $700. The GTX ranges from $489-829 (factory overclocked BFG being the most expensive) with most being around the $550 mark. I consider that a substantial difference and would have a very hard time justifying the more expensive cards.

And for the record, I'm an adult who cares a great deal about my electric bill and the price of my components. In fact, I think it's irresponsible not to care. Although I have no need for more than a single video card, the 8800GTX will run in SLI for about half the cost of the ATI 2900GT in crossfire. Another substantial difference IMO.

Not that any of this has much to do with AMD marketing other than the fact their supposedly cheaper 2900GT costs a bundle to run, but that's a very serious conversation from my point of view. :)

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Hey Phil,

In Most of the reviews that are available online, the HD3870 compares with the 8800GT in playability while costing less to buy AND operate. Since the HD3870 IS NOT going to be the top-of-the-line HD 3xxx series card, I don't see why you would even draw a comparison between it and TOTL nVidia cards.

FYI - The HD 3870 uses less power than both the 8800GT and the 8800GTX.

http://www.techspot.com/review/76-asus-radeon-hd-3870/page8.html

Also, just curious, but how are you using on board video on a K9N Neo4 when it doesn't have it (MSI doesn't even list that exact model)? Perhaps you have the K9NVG-Neo-V instead. At any rate, it just seemed a little wierd.

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dark41 said:
Umbra said:
GtoX (capt Guns) said:
just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P


Okay now y'all talking like kids... Since when did money matter ? Last time i checked Newegg was selling single gtx ultras for 780 greenbacks. and thats 1, not 2, not sli.

And the electrical bill... come f**king on... that made me giggle.. Can we have a serious discussion/commenting here please?


You need to check again. The ultra is nothing more than an overclocked GTX, so not worth the extra cost for most of us who can overclock a GTX to the same specs anyway. 8800Ultra's on Newegg range in price from $549 to $799, with most being under $700. The GTX ranges from $489-829 (factory overclocked BFG being the most expensive) with most being around the $550 mark. I consider that a substantial difference and would have a very hard time justifying the more expensive cards.

And for the record, I'm an adult who cares a great deal about my electric bill and the price of my components. In fact, I think it's irresponsible not to care. Although I have no need for more than a single video card, the 8800GTX will run in SLI for about half the cost of the ATI 2900GT in crossfire. Another substantial difference IMO.

Not that any of this has much to do with AMD marketing other than the fact their supposedly cheaper 2900GT costs a bundle to run, but that's a very serious conversation from my point of view. :)


How is the power consumption of the 2900XT even an issue here. We're talking about the HD 3xxx series, which uses less power than ANY of the comparable cards on the market. So if your REALLY worried about power consumption, then you should be looking at the HD 3870!

http://tinyurl.com/yra7rt

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The whole point of all this is pretty obvious....AMD Have Fell behind Intel. I'm a BIG Fan of AMD, effective clocks and power consumption mean alot when your on a budget. But at this stage where we're now entering Quadcore and possibly even more, there isnt alot of competition.

AMD are losing money....pure and simple, Quadcore is almost a year behind intel. and AMD are still developing Tri-core...basically broken Quadcores... AMD's brain wave to make more money?

ATI now have the 3k series and STILL nvidia's 8800GT beats it in benchmarks. YES I know 3800's ent ATI's top line Cards...YET!!!!! Just how much input would AMD have had in development of ATI GPU's?

Will we see AMD taking over the market with Spider?...is Motherboards with 4 PCI-E slots a bit too much?

Every one is entitled to thier opinion and IMO: Ever since ATI developed DX10 GPU's...they ent quite their yet....nvidia got it smack on the money with 8800series. The 3k series is a step forward from nvidia, with DX10.1, PCI-E 2.0. all i can say is, i hope to see ATI beating nvidia in the next generation cards...

I will be shocked if AMD get sold out or worse Bankrupt (they're a big take over temptation), there are even questions whether AMD are cookin their books. :/

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RI Redneck said:
dark41 said:
Umbra said:
GtoX (capt Guns) said:
just too much money to spend, not to mention the electrical bill each month :P


Okay now y'all talking like kids... Since when did money matter ? Last time i checked Newegg was selling single gtx ultras for 780 greenbacks. and thats 1, not 2, not sli.

And the electrical bill... come f**king on... that made me giggle.. Can we have a serious discussion/commenting here please?


You need to check again. The ultra is nothing more than an overclocked GTX, so not worth the extra cost for most of us who can overclock a GTX to the same specs anyway. 8800Ultra's on Newegg range in price from $549 to $799, with most being under $700. The GTX ranges from $489-829 (factory overclocked BFG being the most expensive) with most being around the $550 mark. I consider that a substantial difference and would have a very hard time justifying the more expensive cards.

And for the record, I'm an adult who cares a great deal about my electric bill and the price of my components. In fact, I think it's irresponsible not to care. Although I have no need for more than a single video card, the 8800GTX will run in SLI for about half the cost of the ATI 2900GT in crossfire. Another substantial difference IMO.

Not that any of this has much to do with AMD marketing other than the fact their supposedly cheaper 2900GT costs a bundle to run, but that's a very serious conversation from my point of view. :)


How is the power consumption of the 2900XT even an issue here. We're talking about the HD 3xxx series, which uses less power than ANY of the comparable cards on the market. So if your REALLY worried about power consumption, then you should be looking at the HD 3870!

http://tinyurl.com/yra7rt


But you have to give up performance for the 3870.

I haven't seen a 3870 available for sale here yet, so as far as I'm concerned it's still just a paper launch at this time. But the reviews I've seen and even your own link show the 8800GT performing better with almost identical power consumption. Overclock the 3870 to match the 8800GT performance and I think you're wrong about which will use more power. Not to mention both are still performing under the GTX, so not much of a comparison as I see it. ;)

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